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Y'all know you love it. Forehead kisses, haircuts and a banana or two later, we're all waiting for another smokin' make-out session... And more!

#1 Feb 03rd 2006, 12:47am . Edited Mar 01st 2006, 4:17pm

Heya - I just wanted to thank you for creating this forum. Despite the fact that I created one basically for the purpose of debating the love triangle and my post in it was - I hope - objective (the forum would be 'Who's Hittin' That?' after Ana Lucia's quip in the last episode) I'm actually a diehard Sawyer/Kate shipper and not even just because Sawyer is my favorite character and I refer to Jack among my friends as "The Perfect Captain Cardboard." And while there are a ton of Jack/Kate forums, this seems to be the only Sawyer/Kate one. Sawyer and Kate just click to me in a way that doesn't throw the show's credibility in terms of representation of human nature (and fear, and reservation) out the window.

This week it's a Sawyer episode. I can't wait!

#2 Feb 04th 2006, 9:10am

dont u mean mangoes? anyway those two ARE hot...and jack is soooooooooo boring!...i wish someone would just shoot him already...

#3 Feb 20th 2006, 9:45am

flight815surviver

Now that I agree with, I'd love to see either Locke or Sawyer just shoot him cos he is just so annying, get over yourself docter do-right and give us all a rest.

#4 Mar 13th 2006, 7:02am

Honestly, I was hoping someone would shoot Locke. That guy is so creepy. But seriously, being an anime fan as well I've seen plenty of wishy-washy heroes like Jack. The big iconic one being Shinji Ikari of Evangelion who every fan of that show wants to see dead. But I don't think Jack is nearly that bad. He just has too little self-confidence.

Sawyer has the opposite problem. He's over-confident. That's why he's so klutzy sometimes. But underneath that he has a huge reservoir of self-loathing. And it's from there that all his self-destructive behavior springs. Like Kate said right from the start, he wants to be hated. Because he believes that he deserves nothing else. He doesn't think he deserves to be loved.

And Kate... Well, she has plenty of confidence in herself as a person. But she's very insecure about relationships. She likes herself fine but she doesn't believe anybody else would if they knew the whole truth. I think all this is why Sawyer and Kate are drawn to each other so much. She believes that he's the only person who could accept everything about her. And he believes that she's the only person who might be able to love him despite him being unworthy. That's why I am a proud SKater.

#5 Mar 17th 2006, 12:19pm

The only thing wrond with shooting jack is that they need him, sort of. I can see we're all anti-jack fans here and I will probably die a slow and painful death for saying this, but who the hell else is gonna be boss-cat? They'd just rip out each other's throats, and sawyer would probably be the first to go, unfortunatly - either him or kate.

#6 Mar 24th 2006, 5:12am

Agreed. Jack keeps the peace. Most of the camp respects him. Without him, there would be chaos. Sawyer may not be the first, but he'd better watch out.

#7 Mar 24th 2006, 6:05am

*bounces in*

Skate owns me. They have so much potential. They ca understand each other, unlike so many of the other ships out there.

#8 May 02nd 2006, 2:54pm

He may not understand her as well as he thinks he does. In last night's episode, he assumed that she slept with Jack. When she finds out she'll be mad.

#9 May 18th 2006, 4:58am

*Grins* Oh yeah - how the fur will fly then!

#10 May 18th 2006, 5:58am

Some of that fur will be Jack's too. After all, Sawyer wasn't the only one doing something wrong. Jack knew that Sawyer had gotten the wrong idea and he let him go on believing it. He didn't even try to correct him. Is he a teenager again or something? Lying to his buddy about hooking up with a girl in a back seat? So immature... I'd be ** at both of them if I were Kate.

#11 May 18th 2006, 9:10am

Yup - suddenly I have a weirdly amusing image of Kate just bashing those two's head together.

or...

"You know, one of these days I’m just going to put you two in a room and let you wrastle it out...There could be oil of some kind involved..." - Buffy, BtVS.

*grins*

#12 May 18th 2006, 12:58pm

LOL I have a similar image. But mine is Kate chasing the two guys around and whacking them with a rolled up newspaper. Or maybe one of those big paper fans. :D

#13 May 18th 2006, 2:53pm

LOL Well Jack is a nice and intelligent guy, the only type of man that I can see Kate with is a bad-boy-but-good-guy-at-heart sort of guy, and Sawyer definitely fits that category. He's not a bad person, he just wants everyone to think that. He's a human being, with thoughts and emotions, just like everyone else. He's just not upfront about it.

As for Kate, she's not a bad person. She's just made a few bad choices. Other than the fact that she's a fugitive, she's such a sweetie.

Sawyer wants to be hated because he thinks he deserves it. Kate doesn't want to get close to anyone because of her past, and how people would see her as a "good-girl-gone-bad" type. They're drawn to eachother because Sawyer understands Kate and accepts her for who she is, and Sawyer believes, because of some similarities of their pasts, he feels they're equals, and that she's the only person who could ever love him.

#14 Jun 27th 2006, 7:27pm

Not only that, but as I've been insisting on another thread, Kate is a runner. She needs someone who can keep up with her. Jack is a very stable rooted person. He's the type who finds a comfortable place and never leaves. But Kate doesn't like staying anywhere for long. So she needs someone who can run with her. And Sawyer is a person who's used to running. That's the reason they make such a good post-island fic pairing. Because it's easy to imagine them travelling together and getting into all kinds of trouble.

#15 Jun 28th 2006, 5:49am

Well said!

Sawyer is the perfect companion for life on the run!

#16 Jun 28th 2006, 6:27am

flight815surviver

Jack needs someone he cant fix and I cant see Kate being his damsel in distress she's far too strong for that. Anyway why can't Locke be the big guy he's got jst as many living skills.

#17 Jun 28th 2006, 7:19am

But Locke is an idiot. He can't be trusted with anything important. He can't even hunt a boar without getting distracted by something.

#18 Jun 28th 2006, 7:12pm

flight815surviver

Well yea I suppose he gets distraced almost as easily as m..................oh shiney thing:D. Right, sorry but not so badley that he cant feed the island and Jack did kinda up and leave everyone in White Rabbit (although i will admit to extreme circumstances) and only decided to return (after almost killing himself, haveing a mini breakdown, proving to all the viewers that he is in serious need af anger managment clases.) when they were about to crucify Boone. I just see Locke as being more democract at least with Jack it tends to be "NO, this is what we're doing end of discussion." When Jack and Locke get into a disagreement Jack is allowed to get his sentance out without Locke cutting him off.

#19 Jul 01st 2006, 1:17pm

*Nods* yeah, Locke's a bit too serene to be a great leader in those type of situations. He's best to stick to his shaman/hunter post, at least for now.

#20 Jul 02nd 2006, 2:10am

flight815surviver

I think it would be best for him and Jack to both lead together but i cant see them doing that.

#21 Jul 02nd 2006, 6:58am

There's no way that will happen any time soon. Jack and Locke can barely tolerate each other, let alone share power. It could be that they'll struggle until the very end.

#22 Jul 03rd 2006, 8:06am

flight815surviver

I know there both so dead set on doing things their own way.

#23 Jul 04th 2006, 4:39am

They should just have an election and settle it once and for all. Of course, Locke would refuse that because he knows he'd lose. There's really nothing he could do. Jack has all the most influencial people in the camp on his side. Kate, Sawyer (yes, he is loyal to Jack), Sayid, Charlie, and Sun. With a crew like that, there's no way Jack could lose. It's funny because Jack has built his power base out of people who were outcasts. He gathered them up and became the glue that binds them together.

#24 Jul 04th 2006, 9:40am

flight815surviver

I agree, although I'd vote for Locke. I agree that Sawyer would vote for Jack odd as it is lol. If they did it at a time whne Jack's ** someone off then Locke would stand a chance, there's been a vew moments in season 2 where Kate would side with Locke.

#25 Jul 04th 2006, 12:52pm

There were only a couple of times when that happened. And it always blew over fast. I doubt even something like that would kill Jack at the polls. Kate doesn't usually drag other people in when she has a tiff with one of her boyfriends. lol

#26 Jul 05th 2006, 6:22pm

flight815surviver

I suppose you're right, after all there are like 30 not main charactors and I think that Jack tends to be more widely recongnised and approchable than Locke who is a bit creepy still.

BTW how cool is this I'm typing this in an internet cafe in Delphi. :D

#27 Jul 10th 2006, 11:31am

You know, that's what makes the show so perfect for role-playing. Because there are so many characters that aren't identified. So you're free to create a character and stick them into that world and have that character be accounted for in the show itself.

Internet cafes are a cool thing but they're always so expensive. I try not to use them when I travel.

#28 Jul 11th 2006, 7:10am

flight815surviver

I like them they only 2 euros for half an hour. i don't really do role-play but it's cool though that there are so moany different people that we dont know. It puts little holes in ideas like not everyone on the island is screwed only the main charctors.

#29 Jul 13th 2006, 8:50am

I used to be into role-playing. But I got burned out because of an X-Men Evo game that lasted 2 years. I might get back into it sometime but not for a while.

#30 Jul 13th 2006, 9:48am

flight815surviver

BACK IN ENGLAND It's really crap.

I've tried role-play a couple of times but never really got into it. It seems that all the spare charactors are good for books though.

#31 Jul 15th 2006, 8:39am

Oh, have you read Bad Twin? I've considered it but I've never given in.

#32 Jul 15th 2006, 3:37pm

flight815surviver

I havent read any yet, I gotta wait ill my libarys got them in cos im always broke

#33 Jul 16th 2006, 1:52pm

I'm just really curious. What clues does it give? Is it really a cloning thing? How is the Hanso Foundation involved? I guess I could make it one of the books I'm reading this summer. But I already have three books ahead of it.

#34 Jul 17th 2006, 1:02pm

flight815surviver

my tele was *** up* during that episode so i haven't achually seen it only read the script. Is it an achaulal book though. Hurley said it was a manuscript

#35 Jul 17th 2006, 1:11pm

It was just a manuscript in the show. Supposedly the author was carrying it with him on the plane to give to his publisher. But apparently, he must have mailed or emailed a copy ahead of him because the book is in stores right now.

#36 Jul 21st 2006, 12:27pm

flight815surviver

o kwl. So when was it published? Could be a hint towards the time line of the show. I dont think that it's been set has it?

#37 Jul 22nd 2006, 12:12pm

I don't know when the book was published. But I do remember Locke telling Desmond that the plane crashed in September of 2004. That would make sense since that's when the TV season for that year started. So if they've been on the island for over two months, then that would make the current date close to Christmas time 2004. I wonder if they'll have a Christmas episode.

#38 Jul 24th 2006, 10:22am

flight815surviver

they'll probably mention x-mas since jack is keeping count of the days.

#39 Jul 25th 2006, 1:26pm

Is he? I hadn't noticed but I guess you're right. There might even be a Christmas party where alot of relationships are going to go forward.

#40 Jul 25th 2006, 3:14pm

flight815surviver

I'm sure he does cos when they met the others in the hunting party he said they'd bin on the island for 52 days so he must be keeping track.

#41 Jul 25th 2006, 3:22pm

He's counting the days... That's actually very depressing. I wonder why no one has pointed that out to him yet. He surrounds himself with the wittiest people on the island and not one of them has mentioned that.

#42 Jul 26th 2006, 8:03am

flight815surviver

It's only depressing if you believe that they'll never be rescued, a belief that Jack will never submit too even if they are on that island for years. It is pretty sensible though, if they do get rescued they will need to make death and birth certificates ect. So Jacks counting will come in useful. Although a sarcy comment from Sawyer would be expected.

#43 Jul 26th 2006, 1:29pm

I just hope he's not planning on telling people exactly how many days he spent on that island for the rest of his life. Now that would be sad. Once they get off the island, he'd better let that count go.

#44 Jul 26th 2006, 7:51pm

flight815surviver

Yup, Everyone will know anyway. The press will be going crazy.

#45 Jul 28th 2006, 7:38am

Yes, the press will be all over it. Much to the misfortune of certain group members...

#46 Jul 28th 2006, 11:35am

flight815surviver

and to the annoyance of most. except Charlie.

#47 Jul 28th 2006, 12:55pm

I still remember that scene where Charlie was telling Kate about his hopes for publicity. I kept hoping that she would come out and say: "That would be nice, but I'm wanted for murder and if the feds see me on TV they'll catch me and I'll go to jail. I'm sorry. I can't be famous with you, Charlie." Poor Charlie would have been so shocked. O_O'

#48 Jul 31st 2006, 4:54am

flight815surviver

Charlie can be dim though so he'd probably think she was kidding lol. Although his face would be bloody brilliant.

#49 Jul 31st 2006, 9:09am

I agree. He thought Hurley was kidding when he told him about his fortune. And yet, Charlie is such an open-hearted person, you would think he'd be quicker to take people at their word. He's a contradiction.

#50 Jul 31st 2006, 6:20pm

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