BENDER

Clique/Social Place: Rocker Rebel (pretty much the same)

Reason: He's a regular (again, the same)

Played by: Danny Masterson

ANDY

Clique/Social Place: Football Quarterback

Reason: Tripped a nerd whilst making fun and broke his leg

Played by: Zac Efron

CLAIRE

Clique/Social Place: Richy/Bitchy/Popular Blonde

Reason: Skipped gym because it was "too sweaty"

Played by: Lindsay Lohan

BRIAN

Clique/Social Place: Computer geek

Reason: Threw a fit and pushed over a computer that froze up on him

Played by: Topher Grace

ALLISON

Clique/Social Place: Loner/Reclusive Artist

Reason: Nothing better to do (gottsa keep that the same)

Played by: I could play this one myself (lol...every great movie needs a "fresh young star")

What do u think?

~Sweetly Sadistic Sadie

I think that you had the social places spot on...but honestly, if they were to remake the movie (which Kristen would die if they did) I would prefer unknown actors...(no offence) especially over Linsey Lohan. THe brat pack was pretty much unheard of at the time of filming...so they would have to do the same thing.

Although, I think their reasons for being in detention would HAVE to change...I mean, if Brian brought a gun to school TODAY especially after Columbine, I think that he would be thrown in jail, not detention. lol. The computer freezing reason was funny, I laughed at that.

I cannot put a new face over those characters no matter how hard I try

If they picked unknown actors...then I'd be first in line at the casting call!! I am SOOO Allison Reynolds that it scares people sometimes (i once tried the overloaded sugar/cereal sandwich...very crunchy & sweet).

~Sadisticly Sad Sadiekins

And I think since the Parent Trap remake, us clubbers have been like, "Oh no, if they remake it Claire will be played by Lindsey Lohan." I actually have a character mention that in a sequel of mine, LMAO

-Lori

How is that sequal of yours going, by the way? I have been waiting patiently to read something new from you!

I hate how in Hollywood, they have these movies where the girl is a "geek" and no one likes her and she thinks she's plain/ugly...and yet she's this skinny (unfortunatley a tragic "must" in Hollywood...unjust in my opinion) blonde hottie. It's like the people in these movies are blind.

In Breakfast Club, they were a bit more realistic with their people. The "geek" actually LOOKED like a geek (ok, by THOSe standards at least) and the basketcase WASN'T this incredibly gorgeous buxom blonde bimbo pretending to act. =) Even when she put on makeup, she kept that "pouting face" she had, which was perfect.

~Sadie

I think that's why I love Not Another Teen Movie So Much

"ew look at nasty Janie Briggs with her glasses and ponytail!"

Ha! That movie cracks me right up. I know I say it a lot around here, but that damn film was a masterpiece....

*Ivanna counts to 10* Fine, fine. Well, err... I wouldn't like it. Nope. Nel. Non. NO! I mean, it would be pretty awkward! I'd feel pretty awkward! Because maybe I'd be a little curious, though I would know that it'd be a crappy movie. TBC is great and nobody would reach that level of greatness. There's no other like John Hughes, and certainly there isn't an actor who can perform John Bender better than Judd Nelson. Neither a single girl who can perform Claire Standish as good as Molly Ringwald!! The simple thought freaks me out. And where could you get such an adorable guy like the young Anthony Michael Hall? Or that great basket-case Ally Sheedy acted for us! And I'm not forgetting the lovely jock Emilio Estevez was.

No, hell, no. A TBC remake would suck. Honestly, not even... er... I don't know, mention your favorite director. I don't think that right now there's any director who can understand teens as John Hughes did in the 80's. No way. No, no, no, and that's it.

And please, I beg you: erase that image of Lindsay Lohan acting as Claire Standish from your mind. Please? You don't want to hurt my fragile heart, do you?

Oh, and something else! I think I heard somewhere else that a TBC remake would be practically impossible because having kids locked in a library for 9 hours is illegal nowadays, lol. So, I have to thank laws and government, because they've prevented TBC from the horrible remakes wave.

And though I love Topher Grace, he can't be the nerd. Excuse me, no. That part is only AMH'S. And the guy you said as Bender... hell, no! He isn't even as attractive as Judd Nelson! Well... nobody is.

Yeah, Hollywood has very weird beauty standards. Some I'll never understand. And that frigging movie is great! I can't stop laughing!!! And it has Molly Ringwald! It would have been made by Gods if it also had Judd Nelson, lol. But still, it's such a great movie. I never thought I'd be so happy of watching an old Paul Gleason.

And well, there are so many great things about the movie and a lot of crappy things about the possibility of a TBC remake, but I think I've said enough.

Bye!

Ivanna

I knew I would be traumatized by Lindsay Lohan...but degrading Claire like that is a death wish...you have to deal with Ivanna, our little Mexican assassin! lol. You are too funny, kid.

Damn straight Not Another Teen Movie rules! Whenever Molly Ringwald comes on the screen I just lose it laughing at her. Her facial expression are PRICELESS! I love it when the boys are redoing the breakfast club too, Gleason rules! (may he rest in peace)

Kristen

Seriously though, have any of you seen Mean Girls? I thought she was excellent in that. And I DO think she could do a Claire character justice. Although I think Evan Rachel Wood would probably be better.

I really hope they don't remake it. But Hollywood, like songwriters, are getting so retarded that they can't think for themselves and have to 'revise' someone else's work. Remaking Willy Wonka aggravated me. I heard this wild rumor they're remaking Flashdance AND West Side Story w/J.Lo!

Anyone who touches The Breakfast Club, Pretty and Pink OR Sixteen Candles will die and rot in Hollywood Hell, where Hilary Duff and Lindsay Lohan already have penthouses reserved. In Hollywood Hell, they all are forced to watch themselves in their remade movies, where the screen is formatted so that the tortured actor/actress will look fat and zitty and their voices will sound like Alvin and the Chipmunks. They will dine on the fleshy film strips of movie busts past, and they will suffer forever smoking rolled up Monopoly money.

May they rest in pee.

~Sadie

LOL. Hey, hey, don't be afraid of me! I'm not that bad... if you don't mess up with Claire or Molly Ringwald. Then I'll have a problem with you!

Well, maybe Lindsay Lohan isn't that bad... who the hell am I kidding? LOL. I loved the remake of "Freaky Friday" in which she appears, but mostly because of Jamie Lee Curtis and Chad Michael Murray, and... is the original name "Parents Trap"? I just know the name in spanish. Well, that movie reminds me to my childhood, heehee. But now... I don't like her. At first she seemed cool to me when she was a redhead, but then... I don't know, I just don't like her. And I'd die if she would be the new Claire Standish. And I don't have any problems with you liking her! I mean, here's a place where all of us are able to express our thoughts knowing that we won't be critized or something, so it's ok if you like her, you have your reasons, and I respect them.

Flashdance with such an obscene **? Excuse me, I even felt kind of weird watching the video where Jennifer Lopez remade "Flashdance". Ok, that little torture was enough! But please, not a whole movie with that woman!

And yeah, I also agree with the fact that nobody should ever touch TBC, PiP or 16C. God, no! Some things are good as they are and do not need any changes or "improvements". They're perfectand that's it!

That's all by now. Bye!

Ivanna

While i luv everyone in the movie, my chick is def. Allison! I love the face she makes after she goes "HA!" to Claire in that one part. And the part where's she's about to cry and goes "When you get old, your heart dies," and Bender goes "Why cares?" and Ally goes "I care," i felt a little twinge in my chest...

~Sadie

I have seen Mean Girls...but my fellow Canadian Rachel McAdams MADE that movie! That chick was hilarious. And I agree with Ivanna that Jamie Lee Curtis was the best in Freaky Friday. Lindsay just seemed to be the whiney distraught teenager in both movies. She was damn spoiled in both and acted as if everyone owed her a favour. I just don't honestly see her being different characters. They are all the same with different names, clothes, and families. I think I agree with Sadie...that girl ruined her own career and she is doomed to fail.

PiP should never be touched...neither should TBC, 16C, OR the Outsiders. If they remade flashdance OR WSS with J.Lo I will never watch another new movie again. J.Lo bugs the hell out of me. That was like when they redid Dirty Dancing. It just wasn't right without Patrick. Sigh.

Allison and Bender are the **-nat. I love everything they both do or say. I especially love it when they dance :)

Kristen

I never heard Paris Hilton comparing herself to Princess Di! That'd be like Britney Spears comparing herself to Mother Teresa!! TOTALLY wrong....Princess Di was PRETTY, for one (burn). Also, Di did IMPORTANT things with her fame and riches. Cutting a crappy CD, making high-budget ** films, and buying an army of midget purse dogs isn't exactly IMPORTANT! Man!

All i'm saying is....god help the poor sap who sits up in bed one night and says "I wanna remake TBC" or 16C or PiP or The Outsiders or Flashdance had better start running for the hills NOW!

I LOVE Rachel McAdams! She was good in Mean Girls but i liked her more in The Notebook and Red Eye. She did steal the movie tho...i loved how she went to the prom in a back brace! I liked Janice and Damion too...TOO GAY TO FUNCTION! That's only ok when I say it! Hahahaha!

BTW, Kristen, thanx for the reviews!

~Sadie

I don't care if Patrick had a freakin cameo! I want the whole damn thing, dammit! I hated that movie so much...and yeah, I really can't see how people like that are geeks. If all the geeks at my school looked like that, I think they would all be getting laid no problem.

Yeah I found an article on MSN.ca that said that about Paris...seriously if you even just google their two names together you will find an article. Its sick really...she thinks that she is an 'iconic blonde', does anyone here know exactly WHAT she does? Besides scampering around like a skank with a monkey face?

The thing I DON'T understand is why people feel the need to touch something that is great where it is? I mean, with the Willy Wonka thing, the only good thing that came out of it was Johnny Depp (god he made me laugh so hard in that movie). But other than that, it always seems to ruin a good thing. Why can't people find their own creativity anymore? I mean, adapting books, comic books, and TV shows to the big screen is one thing, but adapting a movie to a movie is another. What's the point? Because we have more technology, pyrotechnics, CGI, and sluttyness now? I think script writers, directors, and production companies need to start coming up with their own concepts again, then maybe they will see the box office numbers back up and movies can win Oscars that actually deserve them.

Breathe. Rant over. ha ha!

Yeah Rachel McAdams is a good actress. Her home town in only about an hour away from mine (and it is a TINY little city with only like a 33,000 population). I haven't seen Red Eye...and the Notebook is a little TOO romantic for me, but I liked her in Mean Girls. I loved when she had the back brace on, and when she was getting fat. Janice and Damion freaked me out a little, but they were still funny. That foreign guy that hits it up on her ('I only date women of colour') Ha! He was funny too.

I still state that Lindsey should die.

And that's bout all, folks. :)

Kristen

Gosh, I saw her saying that on TV!!! I swear I almost had a heart attack. Is she that stupid? I mean, I thought she was kind of intelligent and played the stupid-blonde act just for getting attention! But then I realized that God didn't gave her a brain. Comparing herself to Lady Di... My God, if she's Lady Di, then I'm Claire Standish!!! LOL.

I actually like the Willy Wonka new version. Johnny Depp is friggingly great and I can't stop loving him. Of course, the first one was marvelous, I still remember the first time I watched it, it's the kind of movie which you remember what you felt the first time you watched it, or where you were, you know, stuff like that.

Rachel McAdams is great! LOL. I loved "The Notebook"! I cried and cried and cried! Ha! You know I'm so cheesy, lol. Ryan Gosling is so cute! His character was adorable, and I couldn't help but fell for him.

And yeah! Directors and writers and all those guys should work harder on their scripts and do something good instead of crappy films.

Oh, and Lindsay Lohan saying that she's the new Marilyn Monroe. God, how's the world gonna end up if teens keep admiring those kind of idiots? While Simple Plan doesn't say that are the next Simple Minds, my heart and soul are calmed. Well, some people used to say that the BSB where the Beatles nowadays(obviosly, in the 90's), so I don't know.

Maybe I should go, I just remembered I got lots of homework, lol.

Bye!

Ivanna

I should really make my homework, heehee. But I'm just being a lazy girl and I don't want to do it.

Ivanna

BIGGEST difference between BSB and the Beatles is that the beatles HAD TALENT. They wrote their songs and they performed them...there was no cheesy ** costumes, choreographers and hired song writers. Nuh uh, no way (shakes head) will NOT accept that comparison. (I don't think Carl the janitor would either :P)

lol, whoo breathe easy, darlin'.

I just think a lot of these teen 'it' girls are so arrogant and ignorant. They must be crack bunnies or something. For them to actually compare themselves to a) someone who should be sainted, and b) and legendary star of her day and one of THE most influencial blonde actors IN HISTORY...is just ludicrous.

I am just gonna blame the drugs. I must. There shouldn't BE people born THAT stupid.

Gah.

I must go before I start to hyperventilate.

Anyways, I don't think I'd be totally upset if they re-made TBC so long as they did it well. Do you know what I mean? It would have to be an indie movie, because if they did it mainstream we'd have too many noted actors and they'd think they could sell it simply on the faces, the remake, and they'd play up the romance, probably.

I think that, if they remade it to suit modern times, they'd have to make it clear that it was more of a companion to the original than actually meant to replace it, essentially. Also, there would have to be a greater diversity of race within the group, because we've evolved to a point where, hopefully, even small towns have some ethnic diversity.

So I believe that Bender would be essentially the same, with a slight update in style and insults, but essentially the character. Claire would be one of the "popular" girls, almost in a "Mean Girls" sense, though I don't believe, as I've said before, Lindsay Lohan would be a good choice. So, shorter skirt, sluttier top, cell phone out almost constantly, etc. Andy I'm thinking...Maybe a black basketball player? Because wrestling isn't that popular - at least not where I'm from - and basketball is, and of course there's that basketball = African American stereotype. As for Brian...Definitely a computer nerd, so not in the Topher Grace sense of nerdy, or even the Adam Brody sense of nerdy. Sort of...Maybe Asian, and a bit quieter, but with some really brilliant lines, like Brian. His character might change a bit, all in all. A lot of nerdier people today have just sort of been bullied for so long that they don't open their mouths at all. As for Allison...She'd be tough. If you've seen the movie 'Empire Records', then I'm essentially thinking of a Deb character - not emo, not goth, but definitely different and a bit of a longer. Definitely a little kooky as well.

As for why they're there: That would have to stay the same, I think. Just because, if we're updating it, we gotta keep something the same.

Right, well, that was my long-winded and off-topic view on that matter - you can wake up from your computers now.

-Nova

If Paris called herself an "iconic blonde" then blonde people worldwide should be insulted!!

~Sadie

Hey Elena, its okay that you went back to original topic...I didn't quite realize how off we were, lol.

I love the character of Deb (Empire Records) I love that whole movie! :) I think that a character like that would definitely be a suitable modern Allison. The whole 'goth' thing is NOT at all what it used to be (now its just a bunch of stupid kids who are eye liner happy attention whores) (and god emo is annoying...), so that type of character is acceptable. Wrestling isn't popular where I live either. I think it would be safe to say that - besides hockey (duh) - basketball is the most popular high school sport in Canada. So I think that a african american basketball player would work as well. As for the nerd role, I think just about anything would do for me as long as it isn't pretty person is a nerd (as discussed above). Yep, you were spot on with Modern Claire. I would hate to think of them remodelling Bender, to tell you the honest to god truth. I really don't think they could EVER do as good with the role. They would do something stupid like give him a skateboard and a green day shirt (which would break my heart into pieces), and make him say dude a lot. Honestly, I just can't see any one else doing him justice.

As for the crimes, I do agree with you to an extent. But like I said above, if Brian had brought a gun to school in THIS millenium, he would definitely have WAY MORE DIRE consequences than a Saturday detention. Guns in school have gone through the roof this last decade, to say the least. I also can't see the jock getting away that easily with his crime either. I can see it for the other three, but just based on what has happened since the breakfast club has been made (columbine, and other school massacres, rapes, and assaults) Brian and Andy would NOT get off that easy.

Kristen

As for the crimes: You're right, of course, about the gun culture nowadays. I can't think of a suitable alternative off the top of my head, but my point was mostly that the crimes would have to stay reasonably true to the originals. Andy's would have to be a case of bullying on someone Brian knew relatively well, and Brian's would have to be something suicidal...Maybe pills? Of course, they couldn't go off in his locker, but someone could discover them and think it was drugs - in the non-medicinal way - and then it could go from there? Maybe. Anyways. That's my idea.

GLad you've seen 'Empire Records' - it's an awesome movie. I loved the red-haired kid...Mark, was it? With the crazy music choices. It was just a great movie, and whenever I think of modern day Allison, I think Deb.

I know exactly what you mean about the crimes having to be at least similar; if they weren't, it would take away a lot from the original plot. But, like I did say, they would have to be very careful. I do think that the pills could actually work. I know that a lot of the schools where I come from (elementary and high school) students aren't even allowed to take pain killers while in school because it IS considered drugs (unless a note from a parent or doctor permits it). So that could be a legitimate reason. There are all sorts of things that could happen with any sort of drug. The high school I went to was the worse one in the city for drug problems. We actually had a group of kids 'die' (were revived by medics and/or ER doctors) by taking pods at lunch time, and went through a lot of crap through the school. I think it would work.

Yeah, I first seen Empire records when I was 11...or 12, maybe? Great movie. I love Mark too, especially when he is eating his brownies and watching Gwar videos. I love Gwar. I also loved the scene at the end where he and Eddie (hippie pizza dude) are music debating during the credits. With the exception of Corey and AJ, I quite enjoyed all of the characters, including ole Rex Manning (what a cheese dick!) lol!

Definitely agree still, Deb type character would make a GREAT modern day Allison. I mean, the whole random head shaving and funeral...he he he, I could easily replace her with Allison in my mind :)

Kristen

I never saw Empire. I gotta rent it now. ;)

By today's standards, i think Allison wouldn't be a goth. Goths are kinda punkish nowadays, whereas back then goth was more along the borderline of beatnik, and Allison definitley had that beatnik/artsy sense (heck, we saw her drawing!). ALso, by today's standards she might be stereotyped by others as either a "loner" or maybe even an "anime freak" because of that (bizarre) craze. I can picture her back in my high school sitting in cartooning class drawing away!

~Sadie

I don't even want to get into the whole goth/punk thing. I get very angry about it. I'v been involved in my local punk/metal music scene for about six years now and the whole 'craze' or 'fad' thing going on about being angsty freaks doesn't necessarily appeal to me. And mainstream media has A LOT to do with how poorly these individuals are portrayed these days. Like I said, I would be petrified to see how they portrayed Bender in 2006...same with Allison. If they wanna go back and see a movie about real 'punks' (I hate using that term, but...) they should sit down and watch Suburbia (best representation EVER). But we won't get into that (I'm already starting, damnit!)

And yeah, Empire Records is a good indy movie. I think you would enjoy it (given your personality from what I've seen so far). Lots of funny sarcasm and strange kids. lol. And they go against the man! "Damn the man!"

I had a few anime-freak friends. They were kinda crazy. They always talked about this weaponry crap i didn't know what they were talking about. Although I'm a floater. I had friends in just about every category/clique in high school except preppy cheerleaders, cuz they were just plain evil (no offense to cheerleaders here). I was stereotyped as a drama freak because i was always in the dramas and musicals in school, and was even cast as a speaking extra in a low-budget flick (the film never made it anywhere, but it was fun).

Bender and Allison wouldn't need changing...NONE of them do! They're all perfect as they were in 1984!!!

~Sadie

Ok. Well, I think that yeah, maybe if the remake was more like an indie comparison than a commercial flick, it'll be cool. I think that maybe Claire's and John's crimes could be changed, because they weren't so important in the film, but in Brian's case, it'll have to be something suicidal and Andy would had bullied a guy. Oh, and obviously, Allison wouldn't had anything better to do rather than go to detention. God, I still remember the first time I watched the movie and she said that, lol. But I

Since I'm such a psycho, and I always research about everything, I saw there were 2 "Suburbia" versions and I wanted to ask if the one you mentioned was the 1984 one or the 1996? I never read what are movies about when I'm interested on watching them because sometimes the end is also said, so I didn't read what is it about, but I think the one you said was the 1996 one.

Ok. Well, I think that yeah, maybe if the remake was more like an indie comparison than a commercial flick, it'll be cool. I think that maybe Claire's and John's crimes could be changed, because they weren't so important in the film, but in Brian's case, it'll have to be something suicidal and Andy would had bullied a guy. Oh, and obviously, Allison wouldn't had anything better to do rather than go to detention. God, I still remember the first time I watched the movie and she said that, lol. But I think a TBC remake would be impossible because, as I said, IT'S FORBIDDEN TO HAVE KIDS LOCKED UP FOR 9 HOURS. Lol. Just wanted to clear it out.

And I'm cool with that, you know. Because, as I've also said, it'll be pretty difficult to find anyone who could perform a good Bender again. And not only him, I mean, all the characters are really difficult! Even Claire who is usually the least favorite for the fans, she has her things that would be totally different, because I think it's kind of difficult nowadays to find a girl who is a tease but at the same time a romantic. And they could fall into cliches and make her a ** or an annoying daddy's girl. So, I'm fine without the remake, and I'm happy with the old version, which I love with my entire being.

Also that Allison thing. You know, once I read at one site stuff like this one discussed in this thread, and they said that if TBC was remade, Allison WOULD have friends, because now "goths" (that's what they said) have like their one cliques. God, I wanted to kill the writer of that thing because Ally WAS NOT A GOTH. I mean, yeah, she's a weirdo! But not a complete goth. And the today "goths" are just like Kristen said: lame guys who use way too much make up under they eyes and complain about life when they usually don't have any problems. Most of them are just posers. I don't know, I'm a teen and I think everybody's crappy, lol, so maybe it's just a phase and my hormones really affect me, hehe.

Bye!

Ivanna

If they remade it - who is this 'they', by the way? - they would fall into cliches, because that's how it worked with TBC. That's what the original was like as well. Each of them was some form of a cliche - basketcase, athlete, criminal, brain, and princess - and the point was discovering that people are so much deeper than the cliches they represent. So they would fall into cliches for each character in a re-make, but then they'd have to show why it's not that black and white.

I'm going to defend goths for a second, Ivanna, just because I'm one of those people who's extremely touchy about labels. "And the today "goths" are just like Kristen said: lame guys who use way too much make up under they eyes and complain about life when they usually don't have any problems. Most of them are just posers." That's not fair to the people who are actually goth. Sure, there are a ton of people who are looking for a way to be subversive and rebellious, and so are dressing in a 'goth' way and claiming to like bands that are really goth, but are listening to more mainstream music. Those people bug me. But there are people who truly are goth, and I'm sure that some of them have friends and some of them don't, just like in most groups - you can be a loner while still belonging to a group, if that makes any sense.

On the note of people calling a modern-day Allison goth...Oh dear. Recently, all the drama classes in my grade watched TBC, and the great majority of the grade knows that I am really obsessed with the film. So people kept coming up and asking me to explain things to them - I'd never thought it was that difficult to understand before - and one girl asked me "So, what's up with the emo girl?" I was so ** off. Of all the labels I really, really hate, emo is one of them, partly because it's not really clearly defined in any universal way, and partly because it's used so frequently.

Sorry. Ranting over. I apologize.

With "they" I refer to anyone who would decide to remake the film :P

That thing with the cliches. I know, I know, the movie purpouse is to discover that there's much more inside people than just a silly facade,

I don't like labels either, but the people I know who claims to be "goth", are just like that. And I'm kind of mad at the world at this moment, lol, so I was mean by saying that all of them are like that, because I did something that I hate which is classifying people *Ivanna hits her head against the wall several times*. You know, I just remembered one day I saw a "real goth", where I live it's not usual to see that kind of people, and my father laughed at her, and I told him that he shouldn't do it because that was just what she was. And I also defended her when my friends told me the next day they had seen a "goth". God, I have a real brain damage, lol.

Maybe I should go, if I keep talking I won't even know what I'm saying.

Oh, and by the way, don't apologize for the ranting! I like when somebody tells me what they think about something I've said, even if that angries them. You can be as hard as you want with me, but only if you have like a good backup for defending your point.

Again, I apologize for doing something against my own politics, but I'm a little moody today.

Bye!

Ivanna

I knew I didn't want this conversation to start! Damnit!

Okay first off, i wanna say that Suburbia from the 80's is what I was referring to. I have never seen the other one, but i have heard it is crap, lol. But the 80's one is such a great movie, with not-so-great actors (real kids from the punk scene in LA), but a very sad and realistic story line. Best depiction of the punk scene and the kids who frequented it I have EVER seen. Not that crappy SLC punk bull S@#!

And in the states, they CANNOT keep kids for that long. But I know that in Canada they can. And I believe Nova is from Australia...so you weren't wrong Ivanna. I know that they do have tight labour laws in the states.

Now as for the goth thing. Grr.. I didn't want to have this convo but I will...since (I'm hoping I wasn't) I seem to have misinterpreted. I don't think that all goths are posers, nor do I hate them. What I was referring to was how they are portrayed through media, TV, and movies. In the media they ARE portrayed as whiny make up happy kids...which is why the entire goth scene is full of people who are like that. There are real goths out there, but the entire image and lifestyle has been materialized by the media as a 'cool' thing. Same with 'Punk' and 'skaters'...its cool to be the misunderstood psycho these days. Its sad though, because all of these people are grouped together (which is why the whole label thing sucks major d!ck) The amount that those scenes have been distorted is absolutely ridiculous. It is NOT the same as it once was and it IS hard to find true 'goths' and 'punks' these days.

But I think it is fair to say that goths have friends. Some do some don't. There are even jocks who are anti-social. Anti-socialism is a personality trait; not a clique trait.

As for the label...yeah, labels suck. They are usually unrealistic and unfair. However, in order for the plot of the Breakfast Club to work, you need them. THey are dependent on those labels...to well, break them and look past them. But no matter who says that they use labels or not...everyone does in a sense. People just like to say that they don't (it makes sense because we do realize that they are a bad thing to use) but we would all be damn liars and hyporcrites if we said that we never did.

No one ever reffered to Allison as a goth to me until I came into this fandom. I always just thought she was a loner who wore black. I have never really thought of her as a goth. Sure she probably listened to the Cure and **...but I wouldn't call her a goth. Just an individual. LIke I said, if anything modern day worked for Allison..it would be a Deb type character. But, MODERN day filming WOULD likely portray her that way (since goth is the cool thing to do)

And emo...god don't get me started. I didn't know there was such thing as emo people...I thought emo was music? Like dashboard and that faggy fall out boy crap. I don't think Allison would be into the bull sh^*&%!

She would probably hate that stuff. I can't stand that music.

Now as for you Ivanna, you are forgiven. lol. I tend to hate the world often too. Hostility is normal, ESPECIALLY when it comes to this debate.

I think my going theory as of now is: the labels that they were ARE not what they are now. They have evolved WAY TOO MUCH for it to still make the same sense. The movie would have to be changed. Crimes would have to be changed, cliques would have to be changed, diversity would have to be changed. Known actors would NOT work. Star power would screw this movie right up. You would need unknowns; you have to remember that the film takes place in ONE day, in ONE setting, and RELIES on dialogue. Some over dramatic star actor wouldn't work.

So overall...I don't think a remake will work.

I do not think that modern day Claire, Andy, Brian, Bender, or Allison would work.

I think that Lindsey and Paris should die.

I think everyone should watch more TBC, and Empire Records.

I think that our brat pack films should remain UNTOUCHED forever.

And that is all.

Thanks all!

Kristen

Firstly, emo started out as just music - short for 'emotional' - and another genre. Now it's become, essentially, anything that's mainstream "alternative", essentially, whiny teen-angst, I-want-to-slit-my-wrists music. Like Simple Plan. Who I hate. It's also used a lot to refer to anyone/any band that's labelled "poser." So, Good Charlotte, for instance, because they look like they're punk and their music really isn't. Anyone who dresses like a goth/punk but isn't really into the whole scene is labelled an emo, which is compeltely unfair, just like it's unfair to the bands who are honestly just making music.

Which is why you're breaking my heart, by the way, for the comment about Fall Out Boy. I can totally understand if you don't like their music, but they are not emo. Their songs are about a lot of the usual stuff teen fans can relate to - in any music genre - and what matters to them, but their lyrics are good and they do not whinge about how hard their lives are when they are making a hell of a lot of money.

OK. Sorry. I can understand the dislike in music, but label them emo...And I completely agree that a modern-day Allison wouldn't like their music - or "that type" of music - at all.

Sorry for the rant and the over defensive-ness, it's just I am really sick of being called emo & having good bands passively labelled that.

-Nova

P.S. A re-make probably wouldn't work, Paris should just go jump off a cliff in her designer shoes, and I need to go re-watch Empire Records.

I hate to be called a punk when I don't even like punk that much. Labels suck if you ask me. We're not labels, we're individuals with personalities and different points of view. God, even those preppy girls who most people don't like have feelings.

Ally wouldn't be an emo, nor a goth nowadays. She isn't that. She's so much more than a cliche. We all already knew that, but there are people out there, who I want to kick so hard by the way, that don't realize it.

He, I'm moody again.

Bye!

Ivanna

~Sadie

1) Elena, sorry if I bashed your band, dude. I was throwing examples out in the air. I'm really into hardcore punk, crust, and stuff...so a lot of those bands really just make me cringe. I didn't mean to offend you :)

2) Yes you should re-watch Empire! It would do everyone in this thread a WORLD of good :)

3) Ivanna, totally agree with you, girl. I am moody today too. It was the first snow fall today. IN FREAKIN OCTOBER! WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TOO!? someone help me...

4) Sadie, good call. The nationally acclaimed clique of herself aka NACH! LMAO! I like THAT label!

Anyhow, now that I hope the hostility is over, we should be thinking about trashing the remake idea, and over throwing John Hughes' house to get the REST of the ORIGINAL!!! Who's with me?

I would take that hour of deleted scenes over a remake anyday!

Kristen

You know what? Stop talking about this remake thing. We all know that it'll be crap. So why don't we join our forces and crazy minds to enter into John Hughes' house? Maybe when he's asleep... mmm... we should plan something BIG.

I bet that milk had something, I'm already coming out with maniac plans!! LOL.

Bye!

Ivannna

But in all seriousness, there has to be a chance of him releasing it. He has the ONLY copy of it in the WHOLE world! The studio destroyed all the negatives. Yet, stills and pictures of deleted scenes have RECENTLY been making their way on the net. How? Who would be posting these on the net when there is only ONE person who even has the copy to even MAKE stills?

he has to be testing the interest...he has to! He already did PiP...FFC did the Outsiders re-release last year...he HAS to have a TBC re-release in the works! I mean, its gotta be his most famous and popular movie. Doesn't anyone else agree?

There's so much to respond to on this thread, what with the Lindsay Lohan/Paris Hilton insults (yay) and the music debates (have I mentioned lately how much I love a good debate?), but I'll have to do it when I'm more coherent and it isn't 3 A.M.

-K

*Runs loudly down the hall* "I WANNA BE AN AIRBORNE RANGER!!!!!!"

That could be my job!

~Sadie

This is a good plan (smirks evilly)

And I would light myself on fire if I ever saw that. :(

This movie was perfect the way it was and the only remake I will ever accept is the short parody of it in the movie "Not Another Teen Movie."

Oh, ew, Lindsay Lohan. no way in hell. I personally think that Rachel McAdams would be a really good Claire Standish. Not that I would ever want them to re-make TBC, just something to consider

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