Originals suck - The Star Wars Forum That Might Change Your Life Forum

Yes, Yes i agree

#2 Jun 30th 2006, 7:01am

owen chow

The original sucks, but when you consider when it was made, it isn't so bad

#3 Jul 03rd 2006, 3:49am

Yeah but they didn't have to choose Mark Hamil....they have no excuse for that...

#4 Jul 03rd 2006, 5:04am

Well, the very, very first second you saw him, he didn't seem so bad. Then he began to talk.

#5 Jul 06th 2006, 4:12pm

He shouldn't talk. Ever.

#6 Jul 08th 2006, 5:40am

That's something of a given.

#7 Aug 08th 2006, 6:15pm

::winces:: Oh, no, no, no. Luke was so great! We loved Mark Hamill! He did such a wonderful job! I was so in love with him when the originals first came out! Ironic, though, that you say he shouldn't talk. Mark Hamill has a steady career doing voice over work in cartoons and video games. To see a rash young man become a mature, forgiving adult...that's one of the best things about Star Wars!

#8 Aug 24th 2006, 9:01pm

Compared of some of some of today's top actors, Mark Hamil was not as good as he could have been. I mean, he was working with Harrison Ford. I know he wasn't well-known befroe Star Wars came out but he was a great actor. And people love old obi-wan...whats-his-name(sorry, I'm a Ewan Mcgregor Fan all the way)...anyway, compared to them and some of the actors in the prequels, his acting is sort of a dissapointment.

#9 Aug 25th 2006, 11:19am

Alec Guiness was the original Obi-Wan, spells. I've at least one anime with him as a voice actor, and unlike a lot of other voice actors, he's either so good that he can really disguise his voice, or he's just so bland it's hard to pick him out and/or remember his voice.

I've really started to wonder if Mark Hamil was really so bad, or if it was simply the character of Luke. Because a great deal of my problem with Mark's preformance is his lines, and since he didn't write them, I'm beginning to think that the problem may not lie with Mark, so much as George Lucas's talent as a screenplay writer. He created a universe, a brilliant one at that, but I do think he's not so brilliant at the small things. Like dialogue.

#10 Aug 25th 2006, 11:44am

ROFL Old Obi-wan was played by Alec Guiness. I don't compare actors much, I take them on their own merits. My standard is does the actor make me care about the person he is portraying? The answer was an overwhelming yes! I loved Luke and Mark Hamill was able to make me see what Luke was feeling and struggling with. I guess it's a matter of personal tastes, though. I loved Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker, but I have friends who thought his performance was wooden!

#11 Aug 25th 2006, 11:50am

LOL Well, not everyone can be good at everything. I personally like the slightly formal dialogue used by Vader and, later, Luke. It reminds me of English literature or something. Much better, IMHO, than brash American English (I'm from the midwest U.S. so this isn't a slam). After all, these people aren't Americans! Why should they sound like us?

#12 Aug 25th 2006, 12:17pm

Ah, but you are currently arguing with two teenagers so when people talk more formaly it generaly makes us gag.

#13 Aug 25th 2006, 1:38pm

ROFLMAO That does explain it. I'm in my mid thirties and have a degree in English. I got used to formal language in college. It can be beautiful, depending on the circumstances. Vader's use of formal English was awesome!

#14 Aug 25th 2006, 1:47pm

What do you do with this degree in English? Are you a writer or a teacher or something? I'm not trying to be nosy...just curious...

#15 Aug 25th 2006, 3:04pm

I don't mind. I'd like to be a professional writer or even an editor. Currently I work in retail though.

#16 Aug 25th 2006, 4:09pm

*laughs* I think a lot of people on this website would like to be a professional writer (myself included). So yes, sorry if our arguments do sound rather petty sometimes. We really are trying...

But what I meant by saying I found the screenplay somewhat lacking wasn't necessarily the formal dialogue. I just felt that sometimes the way it was written must have made it hard for the actors to show real emotional depth. Sorry, it's a flaw. I love novels more than movies, so sometimes when it's really hard to tell what's going across a character's mind for three movies straight I become frustrated...

#17 Aug 25th 2006, 5:12pm

Oh, no! I don't think your arguments are petty at all! I love taking stuff like this apart and analyzing it! A lot of it is in the realm of personal tastes, so there's nothing wrong with amicably disagreeing!

Ahhhh, I see. ::nods:: Yes, that would be frustrating. Of course, a lot of the time, what a character is feeling is open to interpretation by the movie viewer...which I think is sometimes intentional. I think the scenes that absolutely required deep emotion were heavily invested with it. For me, these scenes are the ones that deal with the Skywalker family and the revelations of the twins' heritage. I don't know. It's quite possible that like a fond parent, I'm blinding myself to flaws out of love! LOL

#18 Aug 25th 2006, 5:25pm

See, I don;t think they did enough to recognize the twins as being twins. For a while LUke was all, "ooh, pretty girl, I WANT HER!" The it was "Your my sister, he's our father." And I'm sorry when she came out with, "Somehow I always knew" (which I'm pretty sure is the same thing Maryjane said to Spiderman in the second movie)it just killed me. There was no shock at all. SHe had kissed him for god sake! Darth Vader had captured and tortured her and she was not upset by him being her father at all! And it was not fair that Luke got to talk to him as his father and Leia didn't.

Sorry, I feel strongly about their messed-up family.

#19 Aug 25th 2006, 5:39pm

Well, yes and no. I do agree they should have done more with the twin revelation. One thing they could have done was have Luke tell her the truth when she asked him what was wrong, after that meeting of the Alliance, instead of him saying, "Ask me again sometime." That would have given Lucas more opportunity to show her trying to adjust to her heritage. However, I do think through the Force, she always did have a sense that he was her brother. She kissed him, but she never really wanted him. She was just kissing the nearest available guy to make Han jealous. I think she was upset to learn that Vader was her father...I think that is one of the reasons she was crying on Han's shoulder...and why she couldn't bring herself to tell him what was going on. You're right that they should have shown her adjusting to the fact that the man who had hurt her was her father, as long as she wasn't whiney like in the books. He hurt Luke too, but Luke didn't whine. I also agree that it wasn't fair that they explored Luke's relationship with their father, but not Leia's. I wish a different series of books would come out, as an AU to the previous novels, that explored what happened next, keeping the prequel trilogy firmly in mind.

#20 Aug 25th 2006, 5:55pm

I also found it odd that they never wondered much about thier mother.

#21 Aug 25th 2006, 5:57pm

Very true, but they were pretty busy. I'm sure they thought it, but you can only do so much in two hours. When I start making wishes like that, I usually start wishing that Lucas would go ahead and make episodes seven, eight, and nine.

#22 Aug 25th 2006, 6:12pm

But I don't really want to know what happens with Luke and Leia's kids. I'd much prefer for them to go back and show us how the jedi order was formed. Or the original battle with the Sith.

#23 Aug 26th 2006, 12:32pm

The only stuff I've heard of that has that is video games...and I'm not much of a player. It would be nice to see some of that explored. Thank heaven for fan fiction! I am interested in seeing what happened next with Luke and Leia, though not focussing on their children. I want to see them find out about Padme, see how the New Republic shapes up, and see Leia deal in depth with her heritage, the way Luke did. I want to see what steps Luke would take to re-establish the Jedi order...without all the glaring inconsistencies of the EU novels.

#24 Aug 26th 2006, 3:50pm

But I think the biggest problem with doing that is the original actors have gotten far to old to play their characters anymore, and getting new actors to play only moderatly older characters would be, well, hard to adjust to. The biggest problem with fanfiction is that most of it tends to be focused on romance that people wished happened in the movie, so if you try and look for and overlying plotline not "Obi-wan was really with Qui-Gon" and such, it's quite a challenge.

#25 Aug 26th 2006, 5:17pm

There was those really good ones about Vader finding Luke when he was younger though...

#26 Aug 28th 2006, 5:59am

Some of those are good, but some of those are awful. I personally like Vader/Anakin redemption fics. I don't think there are a lot of fan fictions out there that are alternate universes of the books after RotJ, that have Luke and Leia find out about there mother and it's a real shame. There are a few, and most of those are really good, but I'd like to see more stories like that.

Yes, it would be very difficult to put a sequel trilogy together, because of the age of the actors, but it could be done. One way would be to have it be computer generated with the voices of the original actors!

#27 Aug 28th 2006, 9:31am

I don't think...that would be a good idea...Star Wars animated entirely...*shakes head with laughter* Well, at the very least it would be interesting.

#28 Aug 28th 2006, 9:55am

LOL I know! The idea makes me laugh too! But...it would give us the sequel trilogy! And, I really want that!

#29 Aug 28th 2006, 10:20am

*grins* And that way no one's complaining about bad acting. See? You're idea might actually be brilliant!

#30 Aug 28th 2006, 2:58pm

ROFL Well, I have heard some really bad voice overs in cartoons, but I'm sure the Star Wars gang would do a great job!

#31 Aug 29th 2006, 8:40am

True...some voice actors do have off...series...but if it was the voices from the original cast it'd be fine, I think. Since it was the facial expressions that often did us in...

#32 Aug 29th 2006, 6:10pm

LOL Oh, I see! Yeah, just use their voices and use computer generated images...maybe if they invent some new technology it wouldn't even look like something animated.

#33 Aug 30th 2006, 9:52am

Yes, George Lucas should wait another twenty years to do the next trilogy. And then the super tech created in that time can be used for the animation that looks real.

#34 Aug 30th 2006, 11:47am

::gulps:: Can't he just have someone invent the technology now?? I don't want to have to wait another twenty years! I'll be in my mid-fifties then!

#35 Aug 31st 2006, 10:00am

*laughs* Well, then'd you really be able to snap at people about how revoltionary Star Wars was at it's time. The older you get, the more weight your words seem to hold.

#36 Aug 31st 2006, 11:56am

YAY! I'll be one of those crotchety old ladies with a dozen cats and walk with a cane! LOL And, I'll harangue all the young whippersnappers about how great the original Star Wars movies were!

#37 Aug 31st 2006, 9:25pm

See- waiting another twenty years might have its perks in the end. Not to mention, everyone will just be dying of suspence and it'll make the movies seem that much more enjoyable.

#38 Sep 01st 2006, 11:24am

Yes, but crotchety old ladies aren't very patient! I'm not sure I can hold out twenty years for new Star Wars! :D

#39 Sep 01st 2006, 11:40am

It's not just the crotchety old ladies that aren't patient. We moody teens like things now, now, now! So I'm with you on that. *laughs*

#40 Sep 01st 2006, 5:27pm

LOL That's good to know! Although, the prequels were worth the wait!

#41 Sep 01st 2006, 6:05pm

Well, I didn't have to wait for those...but hopefully if he does make more, they will be too.

#42 Sep 01st 2006, 6:26pm

::nods:: I just hope he does change his mind...and soon rather than later!

#43 Sep 04th 2006, 9:37am

Exactly! The sooner he makes them, the more likely we're to recongize any actors in them...

#44 Sep 04th 2006, 6:46pm

::nods:: Yeah. I'd hate it if he waited ten years, then made the movies without Luke, Han, and Leia.

#45 Sep 06th 2006, 10:55am

Never consider that, actually, since that'd solve his problems if he set the next trilogy so far after the old one that the original characters had all died within the universe....

#46 Sep 06th 2006, 11:42am

It'd solve the problem, but it would suck. I want to know what happens next with Luke and his gang. I don't care about a hundred years in the future...much anyways.

#47 Sep 06th 2006, 11:45am

I don't personally care much about what happens with Luke and his gang, nor do I really want to see how Luke saw fit to recreate the jedi. So, actually, setting it a hundred years in the future might be interesting...

#48 Sep 06th 2006, 12:10pm

Analea

Dude, Luke talks, he is awesome. All you peeps can't accept the beginning. The acting sucks, the graphics are horrendus (misspelled), but I DON"T CARE, THESE ARE BESTEST! (except 3. That is the bestestest, 1 and two are for romance people.)

#49 Oct 25th 2006, 7:20pm