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Zero of the Black KnightsTopic: I hated it Well they made it a fanservice and had a poll who Manak Junpei should wind up with, and Nishino Tsukasa was the most popular. The ending ** me off because i think he should have wound up with Tsukasa Aya. That was the authors idea (obviously) but the company decided to make it the fans choice. The ending seemed rushed and Satsuki, Aya and Kozoue seemed to accept it way to easy. It also never revealed what happened to Amachi, or Okusaa. It also sort of built a relationship between kozoue and the guy from prep school with the scar (whats his name?)What are your thoughts on this Manga? |
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GorabFalsoI'd have to agree, the ending seemed VERY tacked on. In fact, the whole last HALF of the Manga seemed tacked on.Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed reading it for sure; but the ending did leave me a bit..wanting. |
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torgrimYup I was left compleatly frustrated by the ending. You read through the whole manga and it builds up his romance with Tsukasa Aya. I knew reading it, that it was one of those stories designed to frustrate you. But to have the main character get the wrong girl at the end of the story was just downright depressing. There were also lots of points in the story where i found myself thinking, ok... please end here.I realy did get drawn into the characters though, and found that i couldnt stop reading it. Other minor points that i didnt like in the story where - the "pretty boy friend from the start, i kinda liked the character to begin with. I know he was a fairly underdeveloped character but I was upset with the way that he became such a minor and unlikeable character in the end. I would have like to see Satsuki and Amachi to get together or at least go a little further than the hinted romance. Also thought that mabey kozoue would have been better with Junpeis perverted friend Sotomura. At the very least some good jokes could have come out of that relationship. Ooh, and even though i dont remember them meeting i think that Tsukasa Ayas younger brother, and Yui would have made a cute couple =D Rly like the story just not its ending. | #3 Oct 10th 2006, 12:09am . Edited Oct 10th 2006, 1:14am | |
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gmsephirothSince the author didn't seem to want to make an effort to pick the girl who ended up with Junpei in the end, I think alternate endings should have been created for each girl. Perhaps this is just fanboyish wishful thinking, but I think it would have made alot more readers happy in the long run... |
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InabaJHonestly, I read the manga after watching the series and it perturbed me. No, it actually angered me quite a bit. Even after they kept dropping hints that he was really fated to be with Toujou, he somehow ends up with Nishino. Go figure. And his all-important reason is that she just really turns him on and is a faithful cheerleader. Yeah, right.What's really interesting is that Toujou seemed to be the most popular character, at least later on. I thought the anime was a good indication of this. You notice that Toujou gets the most screen time during both the opening and closing and gets the most episodes devoted to her relationship with Manaka. Even the very weak ending doesn't deal with Toujou and Manaka's feelings for each other, writing them off as just happenstance because of their mutual interest in film. And the manga was even worse. With the introduction of Amachi, the pretty, rich boy who everybody loves to hate, they really opened up a hole for possible fans of the series. I know the intent was to show that Toujou would eventually be happy, but the way it was done was more insulting than inspiring. Honestly, I'm glad I don't know what happened to Amachi, and most likely the only reason we don't know is because Amachi was horribly unpopular. Considering that, it's not a wonder why most the people I've heard from don't like the ending at all. I'm not saying Nishino is a bad character, but I really don't think it was the author's intent to make these two end up together. I kept wishing Manaka would stop listening to his groin and open his eyes. Either that or Nishino would get run over by a truck. Either way would have worked. | #5 Jan 03rd 2007, 10:32am | |
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TornadoReviewerI must say , at the end of Ichigo 100%(anime/manga) I was VERY dissapointed. I have nothing against Nishino(even though I did't like her character much) but still , untill the end I was sure that Manaka will end up with Toujo or with Satsuki.Both in manga and in anime Toujo was (as I thought) the only choice for the main character-starting from "the roof affair" and ending with movies topic. During that time Toujo...but even Satsuki were getting really close with the main character as for Nishino , she showed herself from time to time only because she was trying to not to be forgotten as a...first girlfriend of the main character(?).Nishino had a relationship with Manaka(no doubt about it) but In my opinion it was a little bit 'forced'(I couldn't find a better word). | #6 Jan 14th 2007, 4:09pm . Edited Jun 25th 2008, 4:36pm | |
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Muyasuki TakaoAfter reading the end of Ichigo 100%, I didn't really feel that it was a disappointment. Sure, there were a lot of characters, who didn't reappear but that isn't all that big of a deal. But (to be honest), I really thought that he would have ended up with Satsuki because out of all five possible choices (Toujo, Nishino, Satsuki, Yui, Kozou), it would seem that realistically, they would have the best overall relationship(as well as probably lasting longer than others due to the large amount of similarities that they have though for some reason, I could also see Yui in the same boat) but him ending up with Nishino wasn't all that surprising either. I don't really see how it seems like a lot of people were disappointed with him going with Nishino though. Sure, during the first couple of volumes, it did seem like he would have ended up with Toujo but thats kind of what I like about this, its different in that it doesn't pair the main guy with the main girl. I actually like the mangaka's decision to hold a poll on who they think he should end up with, it seemed like a very interesting idea to me. But I do agree that if she was going to have a poll, they probably should have made alternate endings with either him ending up with one of the main girls (all 5 of them) or ending up alone (which would also have been possible). This way, they'd have been able to please the most amount of fans as well as earn a little $$$. |
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David SdrawdeI hated the ending. I knew where it was going as soon as I read Chapter 153. Chapter 152 felt perfect to me and Junpei and Aya could have finally gone somewhere. But they ***ing had him reject her and go to Nishino. That was ***ed up. I wish there were more fanfics for Ichigo 100%. I hope oneday someone writes a different ending starting at the very least from Aya's confession. |
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raging monkeywell, after reading the follwing posts, i think that the ending of the ichigo series was pretty good to me.i don't dislike toujo aya or anything... but i think i understand why the author chose nishino and i agree with the author. manaka wasn't really in love with tojo, but to her writing. he tells Nishino the truth about his affair with tojo in the karaoke where he also decides to finish his relationship with nishino when she goes to france. the chapters 152 is a significant chapter where it shows that destiny can be changed. we are shown that tojo was suposed to be Manaka's true partner with the number '1508' but as we all know, that he denies his chosen partner's number and decides nishino. this meant that no matter who his partner was, manaka will be choosing nishino over the destined girl. even though tojo confessed to manaka, he debies it and chooses nishino. i agree that at the start of the series, i thought that manaka would join with tojo because of the rooftop incident. but as i said, destiny can be changed, and also as then series continued, the bond between nishino and manaka grew vastly. they went out on a trip more often and they opened their feelings more. so, overall, i think that the ending was pretty reasonable and i also like the way how the ending didn't really show us all the characters and what happens after manaka and nishino join together because destiny can be changed and the book allows us to imagine or create our own ending where we can be satisfied with the story. |
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Christopher Robin R2Honestly, I always thought it would be Nishino, and that was the ending I most wanted. I had nothing against Toujo, but who did he actually spend most of the series in a relationship with? Nishino. So why would it be a surprise when he sticks with the girl he's actually been dating, as opposed to suddenly ending up with a girl he's just had a crush on?| #10 Dec 17th 2007, 9:06am | |
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Akan ItonamiIt made me kinda mad, cause Aya was so innocent. And Manka hardly saw Nishino. Still it makes me sad Aya waited for him but he chose Nishino. | #11 May 13th 2008, 8:20pm | |
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Chungdooi was extremely upset when toujou did not get the guy in the end!! it really ** me off, they made a much better couple!! | #12 Jun 24th 2008, 4:34pm | |
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ButcherBluesPersonally, I think the ending was okay. I like Nishino's character. She was written as some sort of the middle ground between an immensely shy Aya and the aggressive Satsuki. If her character was explored more, I think her ending up with Junpei would make more sense. I thought it was refreshing to have the main guy not end up with the main female character. Nishino's choice to pursue her dreams even if it meant staying away from Junpei and possibly losing him, was what made me like her character. The way Aya kept sacrificing what she wants for Junpei was romantic at some point but it lost its appeal after awhile. Honestly, I wouldn't have cared much who Junpei ended up with (Aya, Satsuki or Nishino. I never really liked Kouzo and Yui.). They all matched Junpei in different levels. Only Aya's similarity with him was much more obvious and was given more emphasis. I think the author wanted an unconventional ending (Although after hearing that they actually created a poll to decide who Junpei should end up with, I doubt it), he wrote scenes that made the readers think that Aya is really "the one" for Junpei, then suddenly have him choose a different girl at the end. It was okay. But it would've been better if there were more scenes that explained or showed the certain unique bond he shared with Nishino. Something that would equal or exceed the bond he had with Aya. And I think that's the reason why there were so many frustrated with the ending. If I wasn't secretly rooting for Nishino, I would've been ** with how the manga ended too. But yeah, I would've liked an alternate ending for all 3 girls. =/ | #13 Dec 19th 2008, 5:10am | |
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ButcherBluesI agree to everything you said, raging monkey. Couldn't have said it better. (If I read the replies before posting one of my own then I wouldn't have bothered. LOL.) With Aya there's this element of kinship (their mutual love of movie), and that was that. All throughout the manga, Junpei's feelings for Aya revolved around that fact. He was amazed that someone shared the same passion with film. And a pretty girl to boot. I think it was simply companionship he was seeking with Aya, not romance. Also, I think Aya's character was a bit weak. Junpei makes a life-changing decision, Aya learns about it, then she simply aligns her goals with his. If they ended up in a romantic relationship, theirs would be an unhealthy one, especially with Aya who tends to do whatever it is that she thinks would please Junpei. With Nishino, they were very different and yet consistently drawn towards each other. They even had different goals in life but managed to still be together (in a sense). They constantly challenge each other. Everytime he ended up with Nishino, it was always his choice. Junpei's character is a wimp, only during his scenes (well, most of them) with Nishino does he try something courageous. Okay, I'm rambling. I don't dislike Aya. It's just that I like Nishino for Junpei more. And seeing as how many were not satisfied with how she ended up with Junpei, I wanted to say something in her defense. LOL. =P | #14 Dec 19th 2008, 5:32am | |
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Shadow the ImpalerI'm going to have to agree with Raging, Christopher, and Butcher when I say that I liked the ending. (finished the series a few days ago) Granted, I was rooting for Nishino since...well, I'm not exactly sure, but I think it was around chapter 90 or 100...but she just felt like the better choice for me. ...I really don't think that I can add more than what was already said. Thank y'all. *leaves quickly* | #15 Dec 22nd 2008, 5:52pm | |
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The Newborn Bishamonman...the ending was a bit crazy for me... thats suck for me...i really wish for toujo...she deserves it.. as for nishino...i still see her as a secondary character...no matter how cute she is... there is a polling at anime-source...and the result shows that most ppl are supporting toujo, and the 2nd is satsuki. and it would be good if the mangaka paired all the girls with someone...i mean, theres still a bunch of cool guy like amachi, ookusa, and higure... maybe it would be good if in the ending was like this : manaka paired with toujo nishino paired with higure or ookusa satsuki paired with amachi (look at chp 63...and u'll think that they would be a perfect couple...and not only that chp, there are some chp that can indicates this) kozue with migishima (granted) misuzu with uchiba (granted) kurokawa sensei with that movie director yui with ...hm maybe the author should make another character... chinami with komiyama a happy ending for everyone! |
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Shadow the Impaleri really wish for toujo...she deserves it.. Yeah....I'm going to have to stop you right there. "She should get the guy because she deserves it" just doesn't fly. That's not how love works. and it would be good if the mangaka paired all the girls with someone...i mean, theres still a bunch of cool guy like amachi, ookusa, and higure... I also disagree with this. The idea of pairing every single character up with another isn't a wise plot move. Yes, there might be a slight romantic/awkward moment between one or two of the characters, but just for that they should end up together? There's downright no reason for it. a happy ending for everyone! Why wouldn't they be able to have a happy ending without having to marry some person they met in High School? I mean, look at Misuzu, if Uchiba never appeared or was mentioned, would you just pair her off with one of the other male characters, even though she might've not had any chemestry with them? And deny her Uchiba? It's just fanism: wanting to pair off all the characters despite the fact that it most likely wouldn't even work. It's not even crack. |
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The Newborn Bishamonu don't get what i mean... i think all of em deserves their own ending...just like what she did for misuzu so she should make a special ending chapter too for everyone...not just for misuzu she doesn't have to pair the rest of the girls with amachi,ookusa and higure! she can make another one, just like uchiba just make a special chapter dedicated to each girls, just like a chapter for misuzu x uchiba and it doesn't mean she should pair em abruptly came out of the blue! it would be stupid to suddenly pair the girls with someone without any story as the process she should draw the process too and develop the story! JUST LIKE MISUZU x UCHIBA ! and actually i want to object ragingmonkey's post... i think what he said is only based on his own idealism why does he so certain about 'aya x manaka relationship is only because he admired her writing and nothing more'? just send a mail to kawashita-mizuki san, and u'll know the fact... but, nah forget it~ i wont try to defend any specific girl in ichigo 100% anymore, coz its pointless coz i'm just not a single-girl fanboy. i love all the girls in ichigo 100%, so i want all of em to be happy...thats all | #18 Feb 19th, 9:38am . Edited Feb 19th, 10:15am | |
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dorkboyI personally think Nishino was the best choice for Manaka even though I do feel sorry for Toujo. I think what Nishino and Manaka had a much better chemistry and the reasons are - given the circumstance with Manaka and Toujo, that Nishino was the right choice for her perseverence. However, for me, even if Toujo gave Junpei some indication that she liked him, I still think Nishino is the best, for personal reasons, of course. But for me, the girl as discribed in Nishino's character is almost ideal for Manaka as she brings out the best in him. Its an insult to Nishino to say that Manaka only chose her because she turns him on which is totally wrong as both Satsuki and Aya were sexier than her. Its also wrong to say that there wasn't enough bonding between Nishino and Junpei and the author just decided on a poll but I think she dropped alot of hints that Nishino was perfect for Manaka, throughout the whole manga. Why does Aya have to be the one to end up with Manaka because they share the same dreams? It gets boring after a while to talk about the same thing again and again. In fact if you will notice, the only date that Aya and Junpei went out on, they had didn't know what to talk about, so they talked about movies, movies and more movies. This is not very healthy as they were just attracted towards each other by having the same dream while Nishino knew about Junpei's daily life far more than Aya ever did and her depth of perception of Junpei's mood changes were far better than Aya. People having the same dreams make good partners at work but as a person you want to stay your whole life with it gets boring after a while and your vision of the world becomes narrow. I am not saying that Aya isn't a nice girl, she is a very beautiful, capable and intelligent girl by her own rights, but she is just not that compatible with Junpei as a girlfriend. Show me one instant where Aya wanted to know about Junpei's day to day life or what was bothering him, while Nishino always seemed to know about Manaka's mood swings and did her best to pick him up and set him straight. But if it was Aya, she would have just been sucked into Junpei's mood swings and go alongwith the flow instead of picking him up and setting him straight. For a stable and longterm relationship it is essential for your partner to be someone, who not only appreciates your good points but are also prepared to point out your mistakes and povide you the courage to deal with them and each second you spend with them, seems better and more exciting than the moment before and very few dull moments, where you run out of topics to talk about and doing the same monotonous thing again and again. In this manga, all of Junpei's exciting and daring moments have all been with Nishino from the beginning to the end, having fun dates, sneaking a date on their school trip, taking a trip with just the two of them, visiting each other's house, having proper birthday celebrations, giving proper gifts to each other, getting into a fight for the girl you love, sharing proper kisses. Show me one exciting instant like that with Toujo and Manaka except the one where they spent a night at the cottage stuck in a storm but it wasn't fun, just awkward while the nights that Manaka spent with Nishino were exciting and almost fun because of Nisino's playful nature which didnt let the situation become too awkward. Even Junpei's gifts to Aya were, DVDs. In short Aya and Junpei's relation were within a small world set within the boundary of the same dream and nothing more while the relationship between Tsukasa and Junpei encompassed a much wider horizon as Nishino made Junpei experience the things in real life that he thought only happened in movies. Also they opened their hearts out to each other which is the very basic of a healthy and recipocrative relationship. Sometimes you want to be most with the person that you don't see very often as their absence makes you appreciate their worth even more and the time spent after you finally see each other, all the more precious and more enjoyable. Such was the case of Junpei and Nishino as they went to different schools and they tried to keep in contact while calling up each other on the phone and catching up on the more interesting activities of the day. This is something that Nishino always did and Aya never got around to doing. Nishino always tried her best to show Manaka that even though He was out of her sight doesn't mean he was out of her mind and heart. By contrast, Aya frequently ran away from her problems and sometimes even gave Junpei the cold shoulder which confused Junpei about her feelings towards him and always left him wondering. Anyways the reasons I think where I think Nishino made a bigger impact and how she truly bonded with MJunpei, I tried my best to describe below - First, as already meantioned, she was loyal and dedicated to their relationship. Second, she was attentive to Junpei's needs and moods (even when he himself was not). Third, she wasn't afraid to talk about potential mixups (think v.9 after Junpei thought she was hugging the pasty guy). If it was Toujo, that would've been the end for them. Fourth, she had the right mix of aggressiveness/initiative and vulnerability (the 3-day "my own personal Junpei" trip). Fifth, she did things for Junpei's benefit without seeking recognition (first valentine's chocolate, breaking up with Junpei in the first place, which was a seriously mature move, can you see Satsuki doing that, despite whatever Junpei felt like?). Sixth, she was both cute (Toujo) and sexy (Satsuki). Tsukasa didn't just want to follow Manaka in his dreams but wanted to be a part of it like how she wanted Manaka to be a part in her dreams by always making him the first person to try out her new pastries and if they were good enough for other people. Only when Manaka approved she was relieved and decided to become a pastry chef. By doing this,Tsukasa expertly showed that two people with different dreams can actually be a part of each other's dreams and help each other out and explore and discover new things together, instead of just watching from the sidelines. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE THE SAME DREAM TO BE SUCESSFUL IN BOTH RELATIONSHIP AND CAREER.Seventh, she changed for junpei. Eighth, she had a more mature understanding of love, in that she tried to support Junpei without ever 1) trying to force him to follow her, or 2) trying to force herself to follow him. My final conclusion, Nishino was both the most realistic of the girls (v.18 where Nishino was insecure about her figure as compared to the other girls) 3) Cleaning up his room when Manaka was out and little things like that, that grew into something big. I could refer to so many other moments which, litle by little, solidified my decision for Nishino (I love the confession on the pull-up bar in v.16). Showed her concern for Manaka's happiness again, when she returns to the building in order to retrieve his prized possession, his camera, by risking her own life. I dont see either Toujo or Satsuki do that, especially when both of them were there but it was only Nishino who noticed the camera was missing and knew how much it would hurt both Manaka and his dreams if the video camera was lost. Nishino clearly stated when Junpei first impressed her when he stood up for his friend and had to run laps, how she was impressed with Manaka seeing through outer appearences and not sucking up to people in order to flatter them unless it was the truth. How much he struck her by so determinedly followed his dreams that she set about finding her own dream. Tsukasa always made sure to show her affections for Manaka but never exactly smothered him with affections like Satsuki. She was always clear about her own feelings and was careful enough not to show them so as not trouble Manaka when she felt that her presence in Manaka's heart wasn't enough to challange Aya's presence but the moment she thought that she had slowly made her way back into his heart, from then on she took every oppurtunity to show her affections but was always careful to not be overbearing or annoying Ninth, Manaka and Nishino talked about many various topics other than just talking about movies and novels, because all Manaka and Toujo talked about were movies and novels, they never really had a normal conversation and have fun dates like Nishino and Junpei. Tenth, its not true that Manaka chose Nishino because of the misunderstanding about Toujo having a boyfriend as Manaka himself said to Sotomura, when Sotomura asked Manaka if his reason for choosing Nishino was based on Toujo having a boyfriend, but Manaka said that he chose Nishino because of her qualities and not because of Toujo having a boyfriend. Manaka genuinly started to fall for Nishino during their talks when they returned from work, when Nishino supported him whenever he was stressed about his exams but the part where they really got close was, in that 3-day trip. This is because Nishino showed Junpei her past and opened her heart to him. Nishino also got really close with Manaka's family Eleventh, Nishino told him to depend on her like she depended on him when feeling troubled or sad. Lastly she is a much more fun girl to be with and she was the only girl that pointed out Manaka's faults and also his good points. About their reunion, I dont think they will break up anytime soon because if their feelings were strong enough to carry them through a time span of 4 years and still love each other in the same way I dont see what could break them apart because its no more a highschool love and they are both alot more mature and Junpei is no longer indecisive. As for Toujo, she has moved on with her life and from the reunion it seemed like she doesnt have any sort of lingering feelings for Manaka anymore and she seemed to have completely abandoned her introverted personality. I just want to know if she had met anyone that she loved in that time span as she didnt even seem like she was troubled by Manaka's presence. However, I feel bad for Satsuki as she still seemed to have feelings for Manaka and changed herself to attract his attention. She for me was a really unfortunate girl and deserved much better. If she had played her cards right instead of always being agressive, I believe she would have had a better chance As for Nishino what I wanted to know is, if she managed to fulfill her dreams of becoming a succesfull pastry chef, as the author didnt say anything about her achievements. But I loved the part when Manaka ran up the stairs and swept her off her feet. However I would've liked it if the author gave Aya and Satsuki an ending like she did for Misuzo. However I guess there's a good chance that Toujo found love in Amachi because, remember she went to the same University as Amachi and knowing him, do you think Amachi would've kept quiet and not gone after Toujo when she was so near and there was no Manaka to stop him? So, I guess thinking logically apart from Manaka, Amachi was the only guy who could make Toujo's heart waver, so its pretty safe to say that Amachi won over Toujo's heart in their Uni lives. | #19 Mar 19th, 12:39pm . Edited Mar 19th, 2:36pm | |
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The Newborn Bishamonafter 4 years junpei has became a quite dependable man, and aya has more courage and became more mature. i don't think they have forgotten their feeling to each others. since junpei finally realized their mutual feeling in chapter 163. hm...i wonder, what would happen in the day that junpei finally able to make the movie from aya's novel. just like what he promised in the reunion. |
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dorkboyIf Junpei still had any romantic lingering feelings left for Aya, he wouldn't have gone to meet Nishino right after and asked her out. I mean, Junpei and Nishino weren't under any obligation to start seeing each other again but Junpei asking her out once again right after meeting Aya is in proof itself that whatever feelings Junpei has for Aya is still weaker compared to his love for Nishino. Junpei said he was in love with Aya's novel and not necessarily with Aya. |
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The Newborn Bishamonjunpei never said that he only love aya's novel and not aya. do u really think junpei only love her writing and not aya herself. well, if so, junpei wouldn't be that regretted and cried in chapter 163. he said to himself... "no...not just in a movie, i felt if i was with toujo anything was possible, the only girl that made me feel this way was probably only toujo..." "if we realized each other's feeling, then, if we exchanged our thoughts, our 'now' would have probably..." it was clearly stated in chapter 163 when junpei regretted and cried in his room. that's why i feel a bit disappointed about the mangaka's decision about the ending | #22 Mar 20th, 11:50am . Edited Mar 20th, 12:00pm | |
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Robin2Japan007I agree...junpei might be indecisive but if only aya said that he loves him a bit earlier he wouldn't be that indecisive even though the ending sucked a bit...it was still a great story... |
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Integrated Data Thought EntityCan I put it this way? Everyone in that manga except Amachi and Tsukasa I hated. Those two characters were the only ones I liked. I also thought that Tsukasa deserved to be happy, and that Tojo I couldn't care less what happened to. Satsuki was way too immature and too focused on looks for me to ever consider suitable for Manaka, who is a generally sweet guy who just wants to be happy and achieve his dreams with the girl he likes. Satsuki relies too much on physical charm, and is overly pushy and obsessive with her love, smothering instead of soothing. They had a lot in common which is good for a relationship, but the stalker-ish attitude and possessive behaviour isn't suited to a person such as Manaka who will actively persue friendships with people of the same gender if they're interesting in the same things as he is. Her jealously is uncontrollable and she's very unecessarily violent with poor Manaka. She also didn't want to know what was troubling Manaka and instead poured all her problems over him and causing him to go on overflow sometimes, focusing only on her side of the relationship. You all saw how she relentlessly assaulted him with all her affections all the time giving him no breathing space, and she didn't even inquire on his mood once. Tojo wasn't really that open with her love, instead choosing to just go with whatever Manaka was feeling at the time instead of trying to sort things out. She was much too shy and only shared one thing with Manaka and never had the strength to speak out or critisize; an important element in a relationship. You need to recognize fault with someone else and accept the person they are on the whole instead of ignoring the bad parts and focusing only on the good. The only thing they had in common was movies, a subject that will dry up after a short while. She showed no interest in Manaka's daily life instead focusing on her own discomfort and admiring/observing him from afar unwilling to get close or play an active part in his life. When others took the spotlight in his heart she merely stood back and cried instead of attempting to talk to him, and however Manaka feels, sad or happy, she merely went along with instead of talking. Nishino, however, was open and trusting with Manaka, showing she cared but not in an overbearing manner. She could sense Manaka's mood and when she did, she asked after his health and feelings to see if there was anything she could do to help him out and make him feel better. She constantly showed an interest in his daily life and did many selfless things for him, and withdrew when she felt she was being pushy with her love. If there was a problem she'd talk to him about it, like with the embrace of the pastry cook, instead of keeping quiet and causing discomfort and mistrust within a relationship. She was open and friendly and respected Manaka's right to have friendships with other people and wasn't an inately jealous person. She wasn't afraid to do things at her own discomfort if she thought Manaka would benifit in the future and knew what was best for him; a good trait since he was so indecisive throughout the duration of the manga. And admit it, different dreams are necessary in a relationship. You can constantly talk about your experiences in your workplace so your partner understands you better and actually learns something new and can show an interest, whereas a same dream there would be nothing to talk about as you would both be well-versed and have nothing to speak about. How many of you love rubbing it in a close friend/family member/relationship partner's face that you know more than them and showing them how to do things and showing off your knowledge? It keeps things interesting and you can talk about your new experiences in your field and listen to theirs. I think the ending was good and well suited. EDIT; Goddamn those typos. | #24 May 23rd, 4:33pm . Edited May 23rd, 4:33pm | |
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dorkboy@Integrated Data Thought Entity, you seem to have the same views like me. I totally agree and I also pretty much pointed out the same things in my post. To those who said Manaka didn't say that it was Toujo's novel that he really loved and got him to get into a confused love with the creator of the novel, Manaka does mention it here - http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/165/04/ http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/165/05/ I agree, that in chapter 163, he does acknowledge his feeling for her but he still hadn't read the novel which Toujo sent to him after saying her farewell to Junpei, so Manaka was still in a confused state of mind. Also, he was always sure that he liked Tsukasa but couldn't love her fully because he was confused about who he liked more throughout the whole manga. So after reading the novel, he was finally able to sort out his feelings properly and realised Tsukasa was really the one for him and thus he agreed going out with Tsukasa until she left. Tsukasa was so precious to him that parting was very painful for both of them and thus when she comes back, they realised how much they missed each other and what it means for them to be together and thus we get Manaka's confession and Tsukasa's agreement. I repeat that after 4 years the biggest proof that Manaka only has Nishino in his heart is asking her out right after he had met up with both Toujo and Satsuki. He had no reason or obligation to date Nishino again as their relationship was then a clean slate but he did because in those 4 years of seperation he realized how much he loved Nishino and got more clearer about his lingering feeling for the other girls. You could also look at it this way, that Junpei was testing if his feelings for Nishino would hold true if he was in presence of Toujo again and that was why he went to the reunion to meet Toujo and Satsuki and confirm his feelings for Tsukasa again. So when he was satisfied that his heart still belonged to Nishino he went and asked her out as soon as Tsukasa set foot in Japan showing how much he was looking forward to meeting her once more and how anxious he was to make her his once more. His happiness and relief is shown when Nishino agreed once more to date him by Junpei's run up the steps and sweeping Nishino off her feet. As for their breaking up its unlikely as now their love is no longer a High School one and as we Know since I went through my high School phase and had a fair share of my heartbreaks am now happily dating a girl that I played with since childhood and now she is a doctor. | #25 May 24th, 1:55am . Edited Jun 14th, 6:37pm | |
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Integrated Data Thought EntityEeh? You did? Sorry! D8 |
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dorkboy@Integrated Data Thought Entity, why are you apologising. When I said that you said almost the same things that I said in muy posts, I didn't get angry I was happy that someone shared the same views as me. I am like you a Tsukasa fan after all. It feels good when somebody else agrees with the ideas. Did you go through my post above. Do you Manaka still loves Toujo after 4 years more than Tsukasa? | #27 May 24th, 10:59am . Edited May 24th, 11:04am | |
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Integrated Data Thought EntityUm. Um. I don't know. Sorry if... I'll um. Stop saying sorry. XD Yeah, I did. I think Manaka had a crush on Tojo through the ideas he gathered about her based on her novels, not Tojo herself. |
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d-boyzHonestly there some motives why Mizuki Kawashita chose the ending, that because she (mangaka is female) want Ichigo 100% memorable. We knew that shounen harem genre since I"s always follow same pattern and always weighted in fantasy side, some time mangaka mix it with commedy (Love Hina) or tragedy (Bitter Virgin) but all follow same pattern (main male protagonist end with first girl he saw). So if Ichigo 100% end with different pattern, a lot of reader surprised. Btw if us saw other mangaka creation like Hatsukoi Limited, we will understand she have idealism not follow same pattern even she stuck in shounen harem genre which often snacth mangaka ability to made something different. |
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Integrated Data Thought EntityI like Hatsukoi Limited! I don't really understand your message. Could you simplify? |
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half-noteExactly my thoughts, fan-service good ending. *facepalm* The ending was both rushed and half-assed, Touyo the heroine didn't even have an alternate story or whatever. |
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Maria ImbriumIf she did, I would hate it. :) |
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