some people may disagree with me, but i personally cant get into any other yaoi pairing other than ZOLU. whats your opinion on yaoi and ZOLU? do you support all yaoi?

Yes, in fact i do support all yaoi. But even though i do, ZoLu still holds a special place in my heart. Ahh, i was so green back when i first got into this pairing, sweet memories~ =^^= Do i sound like an old man?

Well, anyway, it was one of my very first yaoi pairings and i couldn't get enough of it for almost half a year (which is a record for me). It's a little wider spread nowadays, much more than it was back then. Which is GUT!!! It needs much more love than it has now.

ZoLu is sweet, no, as in SWEET. Also one is able to write a yaoi/shounen-ai fic with them not going far from canon at all. And i even think sometimes that Oda-san supports it as well XD

i completely agree with you about ZOLU being sweet. in fact that's exactly the reason why i love it so much. whenever i try reading stories with other yaoi pairings, i notice that about 90% of the time the whole fic turns out to be pure smut. i cant get into any fanfic that doesn't include a build up to the relationship, if a fic only has lemons it might as well be ** to me. don't get me wrong, i love smut, but not when the entire fic has no story and the characters are just meant to ** out of nowhere.

and don't worry your not an old man( and if in real life you actually are, then thats pretty cool that you like ZOLU)

and don't worry your not an old man( and if in real life you actually are, then thats pretty cool that you like ZOLU)

Glad to hear :))) But i'm actually not.

Back to the topic of our precious ZoLu. Or LuZo? Who do you prefer being dominant - Zoro or Luffy?

At first i was really only looking for smutty fics, but when i realized there weren't much i started looking for GOOD fics. Where, just as you've mentioned, there's "a build up to the relationship", a real, not rushed one. And I have to say that we have some amazing authors working with this pairing. That's why my obsession lasted for so long i guess.

Also, i've been thinking a lot why i havent' gotten into SanZo first. I guess there's just no understanding between the two of them and every conflict of theirs is solved really simply every time - by schmex. (and i hate Sanji very much too)

oo man i definatley prefer luffy being the dominant one over zoro, once in a while zoro can be the man in the relationship(hehe)

i have to admit when i first started reading fanfics on any pairing that interested me, i only read lemons. after reading dozens of rated M fics, i realized that smut can get repetitive and dull, and because of this i lost interest in reading only smut. sure once in a while i go back to reading lemons for the hell of it, and it can entertain the inner pervert in me.

hmmm...ZOSAN...blegh don't really see why people like it so much. i guess two hot guys can cheer up any fangirl...even if the pairing is completely unrealistic. why would sanji declare himself gay out of nowhere? he is the definition of STRAIGHT. zoro is obviously gay( IMHO) but pairing up the two straw hats that despise each other is plain stupid to me.

sorry that you hate sanji, i think he's a fun character.

As for me, i at first preferred Zoro being on top, and my idea of Luffy was that of a hellishly strong -child-. But i began to rearrange my priorities, so to speak, after the Cipher Pol arc. Luffy's my number one at the moment !♥ (who's yours btw?)

Ah, that's exactly the point - too much smut isn't always for the best. Fangirls, seeing two hot guys together, concentrate on writing fics with explicit content, but lose sight of other feelings that are also present in a relationship, And there's only so much that can be written about sex too. That's -exactly- why this pairing is so appealing (to me at least) - even though Zoro is hot, Luffy is cute. You don't get this immediate urge to * him. From my point of view, at least.

why would sanji declare himself gay out of nowhere? he is the definition of STRAIGHT. zoro is obviously gay( IMHO) but pairing up the two straw hats that despise each other is plain stupid to me.

Seconded! You're right on every point. It's not that both of them are ugly or anything like that, but the way they behave around each other - honestly, Enel/Luffy is much more believable in my eyes.

I hate him when he's paired up with Zoro, other than that i must admit he can be supaaa~ cool.

my favorite strawhat...oo man im not so sure who to pick( every SH is suppahto me) but as of right now brook is my #1. i love his panty obsession and he's the only SH member that i cried for when oda showed his past( laboon!!)

"there's only so much that can be written about sex too" -- so true. why cant other fan-girls realize this? it disturbs me how twisted fandom can get.

Enel/Luffy...hahahahhahahaaha. they would fight an awful lot over who's the seme in the relationship. i can definatley see that pairing happening before Zoro/Sanji getting together.

are you up to date with the manga?

Ah... Ah! Spoilers!!!

No, i've not caught up with the manga yet. I -so- don't have the patience to read through all these pages. And anime isn't an option right now, unfortunately. So i'm stuck here reading spoiler-less fics (but even with spoilers - it's no big deal, really... but if i have to choose with or without i'd rather pich the latter, so no more pwiiiiz!!!)

it disturbs me how twisted fandom can get. Does it really disturb you so much? Are you really all that bothered that in some other fic Crocodile is raeping Luffy or when in another one Luffy, Ace and Garp are having hot monkey threesome? (god, what am i writing about?! Please, somebody, shut me up!!!) As for me - it really doesn't bother me all that much. But on the other hand - there's just no way i'll be able to make myself read smth of the kind...!!! (or at least i hope i'll have the decency not to read smth of the kind...^^')

Enel/Luffy. For some reason, i've took a liking to Enel right off the bat. Still like him =^^= But with Luffy - over my dead body.

While we are at it, do you find any other pairings in One Piece likeable or just this one?

well i guess "disturbed" isn't the right word i was looking for...hmmm...i think I'm more annoyed by how ridiculous fandom can be( if that makes any sense) whenever i come across rape fics, my opinion on the fic varies to how well written the fic is, not the actual pairing. Even fics that contain pairings that i dislike( ZOSAN)can be a good fic( to me atleast) if the story is well thought out and written good then my biased opinion on the pairing wont even matter at that point. the way the story is presented is what matters in the end.

"Luffy, Ace and Garp are having hot monkey threesome" WOW that's sum incest action right thur. you should write that story i think it would be interesting ;)

PAIRINGS-- Franky/Robin, Sanji/Nami, Smoker/Tashigi, Enel/Nami(pure crack), hmmm i think I'm forgetting a couple but these are my main favorites, and of course ZOLU reigns supreme in my heart!

So what's your favorite pairings other than good 'ol ZOLU?

But do you seriously read every fic in the OnePiece section? Because it's hard to say whether the fic is any good even by the number of reviews. It happened to me several times when i was lurking in the DeathNote fandom. I started reading a fic with huge feedback and it turned out to be not worth a sh*t... But that's actually a topic for another forum thread altogether :)

you should write that story i think it would be interesting ;) It's always so hard to refuse these kinds of suggestions^^' My excuses in this case will be smth like "I'm russian actually and everything i write is in russian" and "Aah, it's so troublesome translating it in english", but i guess the main reason is that a threesome isn't my thing at all. Why don't you try? :)))

My main pairings are Smoker x Ace and Zoro x Luffy, but also enjoy reading fickies with Lucci x Paulie. Yaoi, yaoi and nothing but yaoi - i'm a die-hard fan, you see that now? ^_^

do you seriously read every fic in the OnePiece section? i wish i had time to browse through each fic( college= no time for anything other than homework) but whenever i get a chance to sit down and relax, i do look through a bunch of fics, and hope at least one will be worth reading.

I started reading a fic with huge feedback and it turned out to be not worth a sh*t--yeah I've been there plenty of times( too many) but your right sometimes all the browsing isn't worth the trouble of all those wasted hours looking for one decent fic.

so your Russian that's pretty cool, I'm all American. oh and about that threesome fic...I'm not very good at writing in general( i draw better than i write) so maybe a picture...but i just cant see garp in the pic at all ha ha

you sure do love your yaoi i can tell :) obviously I'm into more het couples, and I've been like this for a very very long time( ZOLU is my one and only yaoi love, but maybe I'll expand my outlook someday)

so your a deathnote fan? i love that manga, i think its my third favorite of all time. let me guess you like LxLight right? I'll bet 300 ruppees

so your a deathnote fan? i love that manga, i think its my third favorite of all time. let me guess you like LxLight right? I'll bet 300 ruppees Are you an ESPer? -suspiciously- Yes, I do! I mean - i do like LLight (with L on top particularly) but i'm not as passionate a fan of this series as it was a year ago for example. Back then it was in the three most favourite anime of mine - but a little while after i watched Monster. This amazing anime (and manga) kicked DeathNote right out of my list and climbed to the very top. What about your most favourite? And you wrote you like the DeathNote manga - manga only? Even if so, i totally understand - Obata-sensei is great, duh!

And i'm -so- offtopic already, but i honestly don't know what to say about ZoLu anymore ^^'

Ah! No, i got it! What's you most bestest ZoLu fic?

YOHOHOHO! i was right...but sadly I’m not psychic in any way( i just guessed) anyway about deathnote--i both read and watched it. and i have to say that the manga is 100x more awesome than the anime, especially the ending( SPOILERS) the anime made light's death too peaceful IMO.

i watched Monster. This amazing anime (and manga) kicked DeathNote right out of my list and climbed to the very top.

oh no! we have strayed away from the ZOLU ship...quickly before we lose site swim back! =shot= okay so um...oh yeah my favorite zolu fic is RUMBLE, by treestar. wow that was quick :/

know of any good ZOLU stories? or perhaps any good OP fics?

especially the ending( SPOILERS) the anime made light's death too peaceful IMO Very true. And quite unreasonably too. He must get what he deserved. On the other hand, i liked the scene of L's death much more in the anime than in manga - i could feel it better somehow.

but since it's got such great reviews I’m willing to give it a shot I wouldn't recommend it just to anyone, it's not an easy read at all (or watch - both the anime and the manga versions are absolutely identical). As for me - it drew me in alright. But then again, there are quite a number of people who consider it extremely boring - some of my acquaintances do, for example, or there were several discontented reviews on Baka-Updates. So you never know until you try, i guess.

haha i sound like i converted to a whole new religion You sure do XD

But, perhaps unfortunately, in our country manga is less popular than anime (considerably so), so as to Monster - i prefer anime over manga, but as to One Piece - i can't say for sure. I love both!!!

Mhhm, RUMBLE is good. I also like "You Never See the Most Obvious Things" by Angie-chan and "Under Mirangu Branches" by Leiyoi, "Murphy's Law" was very promising but it's still left unfinished, among oneshots i think those by Chibimono Akuno are very nice, also - "Driving Lessons" by wishing-for-a-zoro-plushie, "Storm" by Digitaldreamer and "Clouds for Us" by lostpuppylove. Phew. All credits given :D All these are ZoLu. I don't think I've ever read a fic other than with my fav couples or some occasional (very occasional^^) het smut.

Do you know any good fics other than ZoLu? Some good het or gen maybe.

Interesting topic, I like the question. Personally, when I first saw One Piece, that was the only pairing I could think of, cause they are pretty close. But as I read further, I decided I had been completely and utterly wrong. Zoro and Luffy are many things, Captain and first mate, best friends, but I can no longer imagine them as anything else, and here is why: Luffy would never, ever, in a million years, play favorites like that. He loves his nakama equally, and passionately, and he is proud of all of them, and it would strike a wierd cord to have him start sleeping with one of them and break the dynamic. I think even if he fell in love with one of them, he wouldn't do anything. Because the thing that means more to Luffy than anything is his Nakama, and to be any closer to one would change that brilliant chemistry they all have. Luffy's dream isn't just to be Pirate King, it is to be a Captain better than Shanks, and Being a Captain comes before anything and everything to him. Plus, I feel Luffy is too free spirited to ever be tied down to one person. I mean, imagine trying to tame that big ball of freedom. I sorta see him as the type who would have very passionate love affairs, but make no promises, and be gone with the tide. Every heard the song 'Brandy?' about a barmaid who fell in love with a sailor in love with the sea. That feels like Luffy to me, and he'd never do that to his nakama.

My other problem- Zoro and Luffy are the most driven individuals in the Strawhats. They understand each other to a T, because of their mutual belief in honor. Zoro is the first mate, and the one Luffy most trusts in a fight. If they were romantically involved... they would be too close. Its a strange thing to say, but they would end up shuting themselves away from the rest of the crew, with such a huge part of the strawhats- their relations- moved to a more private field. And the two leaders being shut off, if only a little bit, from a crew that puts their life on the line hourly, is SUCH A BAD CALL.

Ummm, For an alternate pairing, I love ZoSan with a passion, though I know that people who don't like it in the OP fandom have to be rather defensive against those who of us who would seek to monopolize the fandom, so I'm sorta scared people are gonna yell at me for saying it. the reasons I love them are as follows:

Zoro is so straight forward, and doesn't give a ** about anything but substance. He is the most driven of the crew (excepting perhaps luffy)

Sanji is perhaps the most appearance orriented of the strawhats, started smoking to look older, hits on girls to feed his image, loves to dream himself as the suave guy. His dream is perhaps the most passive on the Sunny. He's just hoping they'll come across All Blue, and while that is quite likely, he's otherwise just along for the ride as far as dreams are concerned.

In other words, they are completely opposite in every way. And they are aware of this, and argue, and poke at each other's faults, and its just SOOOO interesting to watch. But they both love challenges, most of all, and no one challenges them more than each other (not just in fighting, in fact, Zoro could easily kick Sanji's **) They care what each other say, since they both get such rises out of each other, and they clearly have some deep relationship, cause Sanji will be flirting with girls on one side of the boat, Zoro will say one quiet comment on the other side, and Sanji will immediatly be right in his face, abandoning his prescious mellorines in a second for the thrill of the fight. And since that relationship is not quite friendship... it leaves options. I despise badly done ZoSan. Mush, for example, in which they ooogle each other and say 'I love you' every 2 seconds. bleh! Way to competely ruin what makes them interesting!

And that was my far too long, far too detailed reply! Aren't you happy you asked?

Interesting topic, I like the question. Personally, when I first saw One Piece, that was the only pairing I could think of, cause they are pretty close. But as I read further, I decided I had been completely and utterly wrong. Zoro and Luffy are many things, Captain and first mate, best friends, but I can no longer imagine them as anything else, and here is why: Luffy would never, ever, in a million years, play favorites like that. He loves his nakama equally, and passionately, and he is proud of all of them, and it would strike a wierd cord to have him start sleeping with one of them and break the dynamic. I think even if he fell in love with one of them, he wouldn't do anything. Because the thing that means more to Luffy than anything is his Nakama, and to be any closer to one would change that brilliant chemistry they all have. Luffy's dream isn't just to be Pirate King, it is to be a Captain better than Shanks, and Being a Captain comes before anything and everything to him. Plus, I feel Luffy is too free spirited to ever be tied down to one person. I mean, imagine trying to tame that big ball of freedom. I sorta see him as the type who would have very passionate love affairs, but make no promises, and be gone with the tide. Every heard the song 'Brandy?' about a barmaid who fell in love with a sailor in love with the sea. That feels like Luffy to me, and he'd never do that to his nakama.

My other problem- Zoro and Luffy are the most driven individuals in the Strawhats. They understand each other to a T, because of their mutual belief in honor. Zoro is the first mate, and the one Luffy most trusts in a fight. If they were romantically involved... they would be too close. Its a strange thing to say, but they would end up shuting themselves away from the rest of the crew, with such a huge part of the strawhats- their relations- moved to a more private field. And the two leaders being shut off, if only a little bit, from a crew that puts their life on the line hourly, is SUCH A BAD CALL.

Ummm, For an alternate pairing, I love ZoSan with a passion, though I know that people who don't like it in the OP fandom have to be rather defensive against those who of us who would seek to monopolize the fandom, so I'm sorta scared people are gonna yell at me for saying it. the reasons I love them are as follows:

Zoro is so straight forward, and doesn't give a ** about anything but substance. He is the most driven of the crew (excepting perhaps luffy)

Sanji is perhaps the most appearance orriented of the strawhats, started smoking to look older, hits on girls to feed his image, loves to dream himself as the suave guy. His dream is perhaps the most passive on the Sunny. He's just hoping they'll come across All Blue, and while that is quite likely, he's otherwise just along for the ride as far as dreams are concerned.

In other words, they are completely opposite in every way. And they are aware of this, and argue, and poke at each other's faults, and its just SOOOO interesting to watch. But they both love challenges, most of all, and no one challenges them more than each other (not just in fighting, in fact, Zoro could easily kick Sanji's **) They care what each other say, since they both get such rises out of each other, and they clearly have some deep relationship, cause Sanji will be flirting with girls on one side of the boat, Zoro will say one quiet comment on the other side, and Sanji will immediatly be right in his face, abandoning his prescious mellorines in a second for the thrill of the fight. And since that relationship is not quite friendship... it leaves options. I despise badly done ZoSan. Mush, for example, in which they ooogle each other and say 'I love you' every 2 seconds. bleh! Way to competely ruin what makes them interesting!

And that was my far too long, far too detailed reply! Aren't you happy you asked?

Interesting topic, I like the question. Personally, when I first saw One Piece, that was the only pairing I could think of, cause they are pretty close. But as I read further, I decided I had been completely and utterly wrong. Zoro and Luffy are many things, Captain and first mate, best friends, but I can no longer imagine them as anything else, and here is why: Luffy would never, ever, in a million years, play favorites like that. He loves his nakama equally, and passionately, and he is proud of all of them, and it would strike a wierd cord to have him start sleeping with one of them and break the dynamic. I think even if he fell in love with one of them, he wouldn't do anything. Because the thing that means more to Luffy than anything is his Nakama, and to be any closer to one would change that brilliant chemistry they all have. Luffy's dream isn't just to be Pirate King, it is to be a Captain better than Shanks, and Being a Captain comes before anything and everything to him. Plus, I feel Luffy is too free spirited to ever be tied down to one person. I mean, imagine trying to tame that big ball of freedom. I sorta see him as the type who would have very passionate love affairs, but make no promises, and be gone with the tide. Every heard the song 'Brandy?' about a barmaid who fell in love with a sailor in love with the sea. That feels like Luffy to me, and he'd never do that to his nakama.

My other problem- Zoro and Luffy are the most driven individuals in the Strawhats. They understand each other to a T, because of their mutual belief in honor. Zoro is the first mate, and the one Luffy most trusts in a fight. If they were romantically involved... they would be too close. Its a strange thing to say, but they would end up shuting themselves away from the rest of the crew, with such a huge part of the strawhats- their relations- moved to a more private field. And the two leaders being shut off, if only a little bit, from a crew that puts their life on the line hourly, is SUCH A BAD CALL.

Ummm, For an alternate pairing, I love ZoSan with a passion, though I know that people who don't like it in the OP fandom have to be rather defensive against those who of us who would seek to monopolize the fandom, so I'm sorta scared people are gonna yell at me for saying it. the reasons I love them are as follows:

Zoro is so straight forward, and doesn't give a ** about anything but substance. He is the most driven of the crew (excepting perhaps luffy)

Sanji is perhaps the most appearance orriented of the strawhats, started smoking to look older, hits on girls to feed his image, loves to dream himself as the suave guy. His dream is perhaps the most passive on the Sunny. He's just hoping they'll come across All Blue, and while that is quite likely, he's otherwise just along for the ride as far as dreams are concerned.

In other words, they are completely opposite in every way. And they are aware of this, and argue, and poke at each other's faults, and its just SOOOO interesting to watch. But they both love challenges, most of all, and no one challenges them more than each other (not just in fighting, in fact, Zoro could easily kick Sanji's **) They care what each other say, since they both get such rises out of each other, and they clearly have some deep relationship, cause Sanji will be flirting with girls on one side of the boat, Zoro will say one quiet comment on the other side, and Sanji will immediatly be right in his face, abandoning his prescious mellorines in a second for the thrill of the fight. And since that relationship is not quite friendship... it leaves options. I despise badly done ZoSan. Mush, for example, in which they ooogle each other and say 'I love you' every 2 seconds. bleh! Way to competely ruin what makes them interesting!

And that was my far too long, far too detailed reply! Aren't you happy you asked?

oo man its been sooo long since i last responded to this forum. okie dokie time to start!

valoriejueles- first off your post is really long hehe. what i found interesting in your opinion on ZOLU is that you mention luffy as "free spirited" which i agree with completely.because of his carefree nature i often doubt luffy will ever settle down with anyone...but then i always think of how him and zoro just seem to fit each other so well. i don't think luffy needs a lover. but i also think that as a 19 yr old guy he's going to take chances and end up doing sexual activities. plus who better to experiment with other than his first mate? gah I'm such a die hard fan that I'll find any excuse to make this pairing real(in my mind)

"they would end up shuting themselves away from the rest of the crew" i don't agree with that. IMO luffy and zoro would never shut everyone else out if they had a relationship.why? because luffy would never put romance before his friends. he would keep the two relationships separate but not to the point that he treats zoro better than the rest of the crew. and zoro is pretty easygoing he would prob be the same as he is with or without a love interest.

hey I'm not gonna yell at you for liking ZOSAN. that's your personal preference and im not gonna tell you "JOO r so liek stoopid!!!111!1!" because your entitled to your own opinion. i dislike the pairing, just read my earlier post and you'll know why, but i can tolerate it if a fanfic is written well. know any good stories that might make me see this pairing as a possibility?

Vanimelde- im really sorry that i havent responded to you. i seriously have had no time to do anything other than hw and eat haha. but yes i miss our chats so i hope you reply to this( jeez i sound desperate) so recently i've been on a SANA high...and i absolutley love this pairing to death( not more than ZOLU) as for fics on this couple, i got a few that i found were good

absence makes the heart grow fonder- VirgoMaiden

deadline- Dixxy Mouri

sentimental labyrinth- Kaori-chan2

and thats about all i can remember.

Well hello,

Way for me to completely not respond for ages and then find the email and be like '**!'

Sorry for the really long post last time, I get wordy when I get defensive/ try not to offend people-sive. And it's hard for me to try to say I dislike someone's pairing without getting really explainy so as not to offend. I usually end up offending people more when that happens. :P

If you really want to read an in character ZoSan Fic, I'd recommend Way to a Man's Heart by ends_of_time. (link) http://ends-of-time.livejournal.com/8374.html.

I'm open to trying new things, so if there are really epic ZoLu fics around, feel free to share!

VJ

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