Do you like or dislike Sasuke? What are your reasons? Think he was justified for the things he did or not? Does it matter? Discuss all these in this thread.

1. He's cool

2. He's smart

3. He's handsome (but I still think Neji is more handsome and more appealing)

4. He's uhm, a dark avenger(?)

5. He's cunning

Dislikes:

1. His attitude

2. His snubs

3. The way he talks (sometimes.)

4. His jealousy with Naruto

5. His decision to be under Orochimaru

::Releina Artemis::

Likes: He's strong

He doesn't take advantage of his fan club.

Dislikes: Too obsessvive

He tried to kill Naruto

He hurt Sakura when she spilled out her heart to him.

He doesn't look into his future

He willingly went to someone that wants to molest him.

GUY?!!! GUY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally speak like a girl!!! I'm a girl, okay?!!!

T______T""" Wahh...

Anyway, don't worry. You just thought that I'm a guy and that's okay, I understand... Although... *breaks down and pounds her fists on the wall* MOMMY!!!

::Releina Artemis::

anywho

i agree with the other dude/ettes :D

Likes:

1-He's good-looking.

2-He's strong.

3-He's a good person at heart.

Dislikes:

1-He's too stubborn and selfish.

2-His hatred/jealousy towards Naruto, and wanting to be stronger than him no matter what.

3-Thinking that the only way to become stronger is to go to Orochimaru.

Likes:

His hair (c'mon gota give it to the hair, its cool)

Attitude (sooo cute at times, AT TIMES)

His smiles (sooo rare, but soo cute)

Dislike:

Revenge complex (My future is in my past - Uchiha Sasuke....what the hell does that mean? I know what it mean okay, just felt like saying it)

Pride (Yup yup the Uchiha Pride)

Goodie goodie act (we all know he's evil minded in the inside...that episode 101...he was about to stay out of Plan-reveal Kakashi's face...but he got tempted)

Well that's just my thoughts...

reasons for hating

1) he's a snob

2)he doesnt care that he gets all the attention

3)he only get's most of the attention because of the name "Uchiha" the uchiha clan died when the slaughter occured... the village just wants to hold onto it like a child to a broken toy.

4)all he cares about is Itachi. almost every page that you see about him has someting to do with his stupid obsession with killing itachi.

5)he abandons a village that loves him and finds it justified.

6)he used that stupid sharingan to steal Lee's style and doesnt care. and, he uses it to copy the chidori and just wants more when he sees the rasengan. come on, dont you think he has so much, so easy that he doesnt need any more??

7)all he cares about is power ( refer back to reason 4)

8)he doesnt look ahead ( didnt care when naruto said orochimaru would take over his body)

9) would kill his "best friend" just to get some power. but..with him, it doesnt take much to become his "best friend".. he doesnt have any others.

10) SO MANY PEOPLE STILL LIKE HIM ONLY CUZ HE'S CO COOL AND ANGSTY!

reason for liking-

1) he hurt sakura- FINALY!!!!!! someone puts the ** in her place!!!!

But, over all, I hate him. HATE HIM!!!!!

1) he's a snob

Yes... That's called his personality. Would we call Naruto a ** just because that's his personality? I think not.

2)he doesnt care that he gets all the attention

How is this a reaon to hate someone? Are you saying that if someone pays you attention, you MUST care? WTF?! It's Sasuke! He's a snob! That's part of who he is!

3)he only get's most of the attention because of the name "Uchiha" the uchiha clan died when the slaughter occured... the village just wants to hold onto it like a child to a broken toy.

No, he gets most of the attention because he is the number 1 rookie of their graduating class, being able to use and control chakra while most of the kiddies were still trying to play ninja. The village does NOT adore him because of his "broken past". In fact, I haven't seen a single villager say something like, "That poor Uchiha boy. Too bad about what happened to his mommy and daddy." If this was the case, then everyone would know about it. SAKURA didn't know about it, and she obsesses about him.

4)all he cares about is Itachi. almost every page that you see about him has someting to do with his stupid obsession with killing itachi.

All Naruto cares about is being Hokage. Almost every episode is about him getting stronger so he can be number 1. It's all about goals and personal priority.

5)he abandons a village that loves him and finds it justified.

You don't have ANY proof whatsoever that Sasuke found it "justified". That's called being biased.

6)he used that stupid sharingan to steal Lee's style and doesnt care. and, he uses it to copy the chidori and just wants more when he sees the rasengan. come on, dont you think he has so much, so easy that he doesnt need any more??

Same with Kakashi. Do you hate Kakashi, too? He knows many more jutsus than Sasuke. And the Sharingan is MADE to copy moves. That's its job. Are you saying a doctor shouldn't save one more person because "he's already saved one"?

7)all he cares about is power ( refer back to reason 4)

All Naruto cares about is being Hokage and the best. In that same sense you should hate him, too.

8)he doesnt look ahead ( didnt care when naruto said orochimaru would take over his body)

He's only human, you know. He's arrogant enough to think that Orochimaru wouldn't take over his body if he had the chance. How many times has Naruto rushed into something because he didn't "look ahead"?

9) would kill his "best friend" just to get some power. but..with him, it doesnt take much to become his "best friend".. he doesnt have any others.

Again, you're being baised. Sasuke hasn't killed Naruto yet, or even tried to, since he left Kohona. And as for not having many friends? Sasuke. Is. Antisocial.

10) SO MANY PEOPLE STILL LIKE HIM ONLY CUZ HE'S CO COOL AND ANGSTY!

So many people shouldn't change your views on a character. Who cares about other people? So many people only like Naruto because he acts dumb and works hard.

reason for liking-

1) he hurt sakura- FINALY!!!!!! someone puts the ** in her place!!!!

I don't even want to know. Obviously you enjoy hating someone for immature, irrational reasons, so I'm not going to even ask.

Basically, all your reasons are crap. No offense, but it's true. I just wonder how old you are to make such conclusions.

Ah... Check and mate.

I agree with every single word you said!

Like or more like LOVES:

1. His personality, I adore it!

2. His strength

3. His sexy looks for a 12 year old, lol

4. Those rare beautiful smiles he makes when he is happy

5. His relationships with his friends Naruto, Sakura, etc.

6. Gah! Too many to name! I LOVE HIM ALL THE WAY!!!!

Dislikes:

1. What is this word "dislike" you speak of?

I love him to death.

Of course, I totally blame him for everything that happened in the fillers.

That is an unreasonable statement. Itachi killed his entire family, and made Sasuke watch, over and over again, in a calculated move to make Sasuke seek revenge. Are you really surprised that an 8-10 year old might have some issues after this?

8)he doesnt look ahead ( didnt care when naruto said orochimaru would take over his body)

It is not a question of 'not looking ahead'. Sasuke is willing to make sacrifices in order to avenge his family. Kakashi's defeat by Itachi showed Sasuke, at least in his own mind, that he could not become strong enough by just staying in Konoha and learning from Kakashi.

The numbers following this relate to NF0's statements and your reply.

1) You do call Naruto a ** 'because that's his personality.' What do you think 'dobe' means? Your admitting that his point is correct, yet your opening statement says that you disagree on all points.

2) Common courtesy dictates that you at least acknowledge a person who pays attention to you. And again, thank you for agreeing with NF0's first point in contradiction to your thesis.

3) This one is the fun one, because if you never saw any of these comments, you didnt watch/read Naruto in the slightest. When Sasuke is introduced to Zabuza, a person from outside of the village, it is as "The last of the Uchiha... and the #1 rookie" Not that the last part of the sentence is added in as an afterthought. Also, Neji is the #1 rookie of the previous year, and doesn't get nearly the same amount of attention even though his family is currently the most powerful and strongest clan in Konohagakure no Sato. If i remember correctly, the only part that Sakura didnt know was that it was Sasuke's brother who killed his clan. Other than that, its just Kishimoto making Sakura blatantly imbecilic.

4) Every episode with Sasuke is about his getting stronger so that he can kill his brother. Tell me, which goal is more appreciable: To kill your only family, or to become someone whom is held in high regard by everyone?

5) In case you missed the entire part of the story before sasuke leaves, and the flashback during the fight between Naruto and Sasuke, your point still has very little support. Sasuke does justify his leaving of konoha, even to Sakura. If he hadnt justified it, he would have remained in konoha because he could have become stronger there. See chapters 218 and 219, if you want to read the actual story.

6) Kakashi, on the other hand, also makes his own jutsu, and became a jounin without it. Unlike Kakashi, Sasuke's growth as a ninja is completely related to the sharingan. Also, the growth of Sasuke's Sharingan is related to his refusal to grow on his own(becomes the final form when he activates the curse seal). Also, your comparison to a doctor happens to have no moral or factual comparison to your arguement: The doctor is comparable to the Sharingan, not the Uchiha/user. Even then, your arguement has no basis. A more related argument would be: Would you use a specialized tool when a generic tool would make you a more skilled mechanic.

7) Again, the moral difference between a respected goal and homocide. Everyone has a goal in life, it just matters what it is. By taking this view of his statement, you are bastardising and ruining his entire point.

8) You, again, ignore the story of Naruto. Sasuke agrees to Orochimaru taking over his body. Blatantly. Chapter 218. The difference between Naruto and Sasuke is that Sasuke's life is going to be ruined: Naruto doesnt have to worry about being killed. If an attack that is obviously intended to kill (sasuke's chidori) destroys your right lung and punches a several-inch wide hole in your chest, and you dont die, you're basically invincible.

9) I really want to know what kind of crappy, bastardised version of Naruto your reading. Sasuke leaves Konoha, the konoha shinobi follow him, Sasuke attempts to kill Naruto. how "Sasuke hasn't killed Naruto yet, or even tried to, since he left Konoha" comes from that, i dont know. This remark alone basically makes me positive that you have no idea what the story is like and are just arguing for the sake of being a fanboy/girl. You cannot blame being antisocial for trying to kill your best friend, and if you argue that he's not trying to kill Naruto... Then you are obviously completely biased towards Sasuke (which you are anyway, but i'll ignore that). Thats like saying that i cut your head off with an axe or hit you so many times with a bat that your neck tears, and it not be intentional. Sorry, but in any court of law that would be Murder in the first degree. Premeditated, even.

10) Your arguement has no stance against his. Why you're trying to argue it when Kishimoto himself says that Sasuke is popular only because he's dark and angsty again reinforces my above opinion of you.

11) Again, you reinforce my opinion of you. You can't/won't form a counterarguement, so you just attack his charactor. Your like a crappy politican, even more so that you repeat the same thing over and over even though it's unsupported.

Now, my views on sasuke.

Likes:

He's a good charactor, and fills the angst role well.

Sharingan is a sweet feature to be able to adapt in Fanfics, and he can be used as a great charactor in futurefics.

Dislikes:

He's an **.

For someone regarded as being a prodigy, he's amazingly stupid at times.

When he's not being stupid, he's completely overpowered or extremely arrogant(sorry, no way in hell could sasuke match an upper chuunin or a jounin).

People fawn over him for things that he could not control, and ignore the fact that he's a (insert #1 dislike here.)

a few others, but you get the point.

Now who bets the Wicked Enough will either ignore this post, or reply and say that i'm completely biased against Sasuke or am infinitely immature?

[Edited for Kishi:Tori]

Also, When i say Toriyama, i mean Kishimoto. I was mistaken and was thinking Toriyama (Kishimoto's role-model and the creator of Dragonball/DragonballZ) instead of Kishimoto. My mistake, and i'll change it when i can.

Other than that... these forums are slow, its been ten minutes since i tried to post and it still hasnt come up.

1) I'm afraid the way I worded my statement did make it seem as if I agreed, so I apologize for that. What I really meant is that when you call Naruto a **, you do it out of a biased view of him without seeing the rest of his personality, because yes, although Naruto can be a bit stupid, you still can't call him an idiot because a part of him can be. The same goes for Sasuke. Yes, he is arrogant, but he isn't all the time. You can't call him arrogant and truly mean it if you only dig a shallow ditch. (Is that more clear? I'll elaborate if necessary.)

2) The unfortunate thing is, we don't live in a world filled with people who follow common courtesy, but wouldn't it be great if we do?

3) (I'm terribly sorry but I have not been able to watch all of the Naruto episodes. I have, however, watched a majority of them. The same goes for the manga chapters.) Yes, Neji was the #1 rookie of the year before, but it's a lie to say that he wasn't given as much attention. We don't know for a fact that Neji was given less attention; in fact, when the two teams (7 and 10) registered for the chuunin exams, the examiners called Gai's team prized along with Kakashi's, meaning Neji, in a team if not also by himself, was already given recognization. As the series focuses more on Team 7, we don't follow Neji around as much as Sasuke. Who are we to say Neji didn't get as much attention?

4) Sasuke isn't looking for something that can been appreciated at the moment. It's his choice to become stronger to kill his brother, just like Naruto's choice to train to become Hokage and Sakura's to chase after Sasuke.

5) Does it actually matter if he thinks its justified or not? In the end, Sasuke left Kohona. Whether he thinks it's right or wrong, he still did it. I don't like him for doing it, but it's part of his character. If he hadn't left, on the other hand, would Naruto and Sakura be further urged into training harder? Would Sasuke really become stronger within the boundries of Kohona? It's a debatable point.

6) Your point suggests that to become jounin, Sasuke must not rely on the Sharingan and the power it allows the user to possess, regardless of whether the user is using it is in denial or not. I'll use Neji in my defense. The Gentle Fist Style was not invented by Neji, nor would his techniques be possible without his use of the Byakugan. However, Neji still became jounin. In that same sense, Neji should not be allowed to become jounin, correct? (Oh, and your example IS better. It makes a lot more sense that way. Thank you.)

7) Again, if the world was filled only with people who have morals, it would be a much better place. While I don't like the fact that Sasuke's goal involves homocide, I don't believe it's correct to force on him a goal that is moral in our eyes. It's his life, after all.

8) Naruto doesn't have to worry about being killed? You just proved my point by stating what chidori can do. Naruto is going after Sasuke right now. If Orochimaru does take over Sasuke's body, or even if he doesn't, there's a huge chance Sasuke will try to kill him. He will have to worry about being killed.

9) If I'm arguing for the sheer sake of being a fangirl, I wouldn't have gone so far. To tell the truth (uh oh, I'm shooting myself in the foot), I'm NOT an avid follower of the series, so I'm not going to go into detail with all my explanations. I do watch episodes, but I don't read too deeply into it. I do it for pleasure, as I expect you do. Besides that point, I'll continue. Again, you prove my point. Kohona shinobi go after Sasuke, Sasuke then tries to kill Naruto. You cannot argue with the fact that not one time afterwards, in which Sasuke is NOT being pursued has he ever tried to go out of his way to kill Naruto after he left Kohona. And I believe that in a court of law, one can always plead personal defense.

10) Your point has nothing to do with what I was saying. If a person is dark and angsty, must he or she be popular? Yes, Kishimoto did say Sasuke was popular because he's dark and angsty, but in reality, that's not a necessary basis for liking someone. In fact, it should be the exact opposite.

11) I should have expected my personal character to be judged after what I said. A counter-arguement to what NF0 said about liking Sasuke because he hurt Sakura? Is it truly necessary? Do you need an explanation or is that enough? Would you like a character just because he hurt another character you didn't like? Crappy politician or not, I expect that you don't need an explanation for that.

My views of Sasuke:

Likes:

He's a good antagonist

He's excellent as a plot-developer

The action scenes he provides are pretty cool ^^

He can be a refreshing change to Naruto's infinite optimism, which gets a little old in shonen heros

The fact that out of all the characters, he's the "fun-est" to debate about.

Dislikes:

Idiot. Idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot. Sure, he can fight, but boy, he really is a fool sometimes.

His arrogance gets annoying after a while. Especially when it gets thrown in its face *is remembering the first Orochimaru meeting*

How selfish he is. He doesn't think at all of the pain he causes other people with the decisions he makes for himself, to benefit himself.

The fillers he has caused. *sigh*

Really, you are wrong about me, DrydenLelldorian. I didn't say you were biased or immature at all, now did I? In fact, I quite like this whole argument thing. It's fun.

Anyway, thank you for clearing up your points.

1) Thats not neccesary, you are perfectly clear (to me at least.) I agree on your point, but people naturally take a measure of a person by what they see. Most of what we see Sasuke doing is brooding or being arrogant. Naruto, we see being arrogant, stupid, pranking, and berserk, but we also see more of his emotions and thoughts as he is the main charactor (although Kishimoto tries his damnedest to make Sasuke the main).

2) Yes, it would be. *whines and complains about the depravity of the human race*

3) Actually I think we can judge that. If he had been as talked about as Sasuke, people would still talk about him. When the random person sees sasuke (well, random citizen of Konoha), they just see him as 'a broken toy.' The mystique of the Uchiha's with Sasuke is only multiplied by the fact that he is the last one. If the same thing had happened to the Hyuuga, then the last Hyuuga would probably have the same effect (with the exception that the Uchiha clan would have performed a Coup de'tat right after the Hyuugas were killed.)

4) We're arguing the same side with different words.

5) Apparently it does matter if he feels its justified. Your counter-arguement on this topic with NF0 was that Sasuke did not justify the betrayal, and you called him biased for saying that it was.

6) Thats not the point i was trying to make. My point was against you using Kakashi in the argument because he had to become a jounin with his own skills, not those of Obito's bloodline. Kakashi still only uses the Sharingan as a last resort, unlike Sasuke who is otherwise simply an above average shinobi. My opinion on jounin bloodlines is that complete reliance upon a bloodline should not exist in jounins. With a Hyuuga, its a little blurry, as the Byakugan does help with the gentle fist. Then again, i'm sure that with enough experience or understanding of the human body it wouldnt be as neccesary.

7) Morals literally cannot be removed from a discussion because they are so firmly ingrained in our conscience. While it is not our place to give him a moral goal, that doesnt mean that his goal does not lessen his place in our eyes.

8) err.. huh. your original arguement was

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8)he doesnt look ahead ( didnt care when naruto said orochimaru would take over his body)

He's only human, you know. He's arrogant enough to think that Orochimaru wouldn't take over his body if he had the chance. How many times has Naruto rushed into something because he didn't "look ahead"?"

I said that Sasuke knew that orochimaru would take his body, and that he didnt care. With the invincible bit, i was attacking the last part with Naruto. I will again say that the difference is that Naruto doesnt havent to worry about getting hurt, while Sasuke is going to die without ever being able to finish his goal.

9) Not an avid follower!?! *Gasps and pantomimes being shot*

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9) would kill his "best friend" just to get some power. but..with him, it doesnt take much to become his "best friend".. he doesnt have any others.

Again, you're being baised. Sasuke hasn't killed Naruto yet, or even tried to, since he left Kohona. And as for not having many friends? Sasuke. Is. Antisocial.

If you shove your hand through someone's chest, then they are probably dead. Sasuke probably thinks that Naruto IS dead simply for that fact. Also, Naruto has been training away from the village and Orochimaru probably hasnt been passing Sasuke rumors.

10) You know, i'm really not sure what we're arguing about on this one.

11) No, its not really neccesary. I think his point was that there was no reason that he liked him other than emotionally shooting a very annoying charactor. Personally, i really enjoyed that. Sakura bothers me. Extremely. As does Naruto and Sakura's idiotic obsession with how Sasuke can be saved. He's a freaking traitor and tried to kill you! He deserves to be executed!

I disagree with this - that happened partway through the battle, and Naruto regenerated right in front of Sasuke before continuing to fight. Sasuke certainly knew that his first use of Chidori didn't cause Naruto's death.

Sasuke uses Chidori twice during the battle. The first time, Sasuke puts his arm through Naruto's chest, and Naruto visibly regenerates. The second time, Sasuke and Naruto each managed weak hits on each other, but this did not cause any visible damage. The second Chidori didn't even make a hole in Naruto's jacket.

1. I believe that some how he will come to his complete sense in a bit. By this I mean, the shock of having your parents killed in front of you by your brother is going to screw you up. He forgot to have hope. He doesn't have hope. I think lots of you who read this will be like WTF?! What he believes is hope is his own version of hope. He's just one screwed up kid that I hope (haha I made a funny) will be able to open his eyes beyond Itachi and revenge and look towards a new future...but then again...

2. Sasuke thinks of Naruto as a brother. Hasn't anyone brought that up? If you read the Manga you will have to had read that part. Yeah, I guess it's weird that he tried to kill Naruto, but in the end, he didn't, did he? If he HAD killed Naruto, he would have gotten the Advnace Sharingan, which he doesn't have. Even if he believed Naruto to have died, he would have to face the fact that he doesn't have the Advance Sharingan which would have proven the fact that he did kill Naruto. You know, kill best friend, get Advance Sharingan, know you killed said friend.

3.Sasuke is one of those characters that draw different opinions on him. I really can't say that I like him or dislike him. That's how he is. Some people just like him, some just hate him, some like and hate him, and some don't care or can't figure out how they feel about him. I'm the latter. There are days when I like him and some when I hate him, but always I end up confused. It's like trying to figure out what the green thing is in the back of the fridge when you go in to clean it.

4. What ever we think of him, it will be up to Kishimoto-sensei to guide the character to their final place in the manga. Maybe Sasuke will continue to be like he is or will move onto a different personality and way of thinking. We can only stand by and see/read and debate about Sasuke.

This is no way attacking anyone, just my thoughts on the person named Uchiha Sasuke. If you don't agree with it, then you don't. If you do, then you do. An opinion is still an opinion no matter how..."wrong" it seems to you. Meaning, if you think there is something wrong with my opinion, then you and I have different ways of thinking and I will be glad to try and defend my position.

~*Yang-chan*~

I think the reason for the change was the cursed seal and the knowledge that there are a lot of other talented ninja's out there. I guess it shattered his world view or something. His defeat at the rooftop didnt help. (Bigger hole!)

He became unbearable as a character for me during the retrieval arc though, I stopped reading Naruto for a while at that point. Its Kashimoto's fault though, I think he was pressured into doing whatever he did by the results of the popularity polls; Sasuke was always the fans favorite.

Fanon Sasuke on the other hand... he's worse. He's always OOC.

Sasuke, Naruto, and all the other characters are all driven by goals and dreams, and all of these goals relate directly or indirectly to getting stronger. Their motivations and their how they go about doing it set them apart.

Naruto is driven to beome stronger to attain the position of Hokage. Sasuke wants to become stronger to kill his brother and avenge his slaughtered family. While I know which cause I find more noble, I suppose it's up to interpritation so it becomes a moot point. What is important is how they act while struggling to achieve these goals.

Naruto is driven by his goal but he is not all consumed by it. He does not let his goal of affect his personality, and he is not willing to hurt others to achieve. Sasuke is the exact opposite. His desire to be strong causes him to disdain anything weaker than him or not related to that goal at first. Later it causes him to defect and leave behind, if not his friends, then at the very least his teamates and comrades. Think about what that means. It's not like these are kids he sits with at lunch, these are people he's grown up with, people who he has together with and people who he's faced death with. Yet in spite of all that he's willing to join an enemy village, which means potentially killing his former comrades and destroying Konoha, for the promise of power.

Naruto is not willing to do anything like that to attain his goal, nor is anyone else of the Rookie 9.

Now lets look at their personalities.

Naruto can be a **. Yes he can. It's an aspect of his personality. However that's part of what makes him so endearing because it contrasts what we see hidden within him. Also he treats other people the way they treat him; or usually even a little better than they treat him. If they insult him, he insults them back. If they show him affection then he shows it back too, albeit in his own way. Sure, he can be rude and obnoxious sometimes (actually, alotta the time) but the reasons behind that are explained in the beginning and we know that they are innocent enough. He also has alot of respect for his comrades and couldn't consider betraying them. He also still wishes to bring Sasuke back, which though idiotic, is at least noble since he believes he'd be rescuing his friends/brother.

Sasuke once again appears the anithesis to this. His a smart, cool and collected genius type, which isn't bad(tho not my type of fav character). He does however treat people like dirt, no matter how they treat him. He dissaciates himself with anything he believes below him. He has proven that he isn't concerned with anyone else but himself and his goals as everyone else is unimportant to him. Throughout his stint with Team 7 he goes out of his way to belittle Naruto (tho to be fair Naruto provides him ample target) because of standing in the graduating class and tells him that to give up in ever beating him. That's what I call a bully, and I see nothing there which I can respect. To add on to that, in the fight with Naruto there is no question that he tries to kill him. Just because he didn't just put his hand through Naruto's chest at the end doesn't mean he didn't try to kill him, it just means he ** up. I mean, if someone tries to slit my throat but ** up and we keep fighting, then they try to do it *again* how does that mean they didn't try and kill me? Besides before the fight when Naruto's trying to convince him to come back Sasuke says that the village is full of weaklings and that he'd prove his power by killing Naruto.

That's not arrogant, that's not antisocial, that's not even power hungy. That's straight cold-blooded.

Now I know people are going to be like "But what about the Zabuza fight where he saved Naruto from Haku's needles?" Well, that happened in the beginning of the manga and things have since changed. Most likely Kishimoto didn't even know where he was heading with the series back then. Even so, Sasuke showed a side of him that could have been, but forsook all of that of that in loo of becoming powerful.

So the long and short of it is that Sasuke is a prick, through and through.

But we're not done yet, now let's look at Sasuke as a character.

Okay, it's obvious that he's supposed to be the dark, pessimistic and angsty figure to counterbalance Naruto, at least in the beginning. It was interesting when he was struggling between being an avenger and turning away from that path, but that was short lived and after that he became a barely two-dimensional character; he's a cardboard cutout that looks nice. After all, he has no complexity to his character, he's just 'i'll get stronger and have my vegeance by whatever means necessary', which in addition to being flat is utterly cliched.

His few fights aren't even that exciting. He didn't do much in the fight against Haku, the fight against the sound nin was whatever, and the fight in the Valley of the End was, in my opinion, was horrible (oh man, I had DBZ flashbacks when I read that). The most exciting fight so far was the fight between Gaara and Naruto. But the worst part about it is how overpowered he's become. Okay, so he's a genin ninja who's good and has a powerful blood limit and a curse seal, but him beating a ninja who was his level to start with (remember, Naruto had been training and was by now pretty powerful) who is being powered by an extremely powerful and ancient demon? Deus ex machina anyone?

Besides it was an extremely cheap plot device that didn't even make sense. I mean, it obviously wasn't that powerful since the other Sound nins were defeated. If it was so powerful then the others on the rescue team shouldn't have even been able to hold their own while re-enforcements arrived. The others couldn't even touch Gaara yet Naruto had beaten him, yet Sasuke manages to beat Naruto when he has so much demon chakra flowing through him that it physically changes him? Yea, it only makes sense when you see the "Who is your favorite character?" spread and see it says Sasuke. By the way, watch out for that gaping plothole (it's already swallowed Kishimoto's integrity). He's not a good bad guy or antagonist. Vicious from Cowboy Bebop is a great antagonist. Severus Snape from Harry Potter turned out to be an interesting bad guy (tho people still refuse to believe he's now canonly a bad guy). Sasuke is neither.

So now we come down to why I personally don't like him.

1) He's a prick

2) He treats everyone else like dirt and thinks his sh*t don't stink. And I hate people like that.

3) He's a sucky character

4) I especially hate the way he treated Naruto becuase Naruto's my favorite character(just like how I don't like Sakura for the same thing. But that's a different argument).

5) Sasuke fans. The icing on the cake. Even after all these things people (read: fangirls) are still like "Oh but he's so cute. I mean, that look is cute and so is that smile and he's so dark and strong a blah blah blah". At least one person already said something like that in here. After dealing with hearing that as an argument as to why he's a good character that just makes me hate him more on principle.

Okay that's it. Thanks and have a nice day.

Mainly, Sasuke has watched his family die, not once but over and over in the Tsukiyomi. nobody is going to be mentally stable after that and i think it's safe to say his obsession is his way of coping, its probably the village's fault that he defected, putting him on a pedestal rather than just accepting him is SO stupid. he has had the same problem as Naruto, though the opposite end of the spectrum. as people just look at him adoringly and with respect he hasn't earned, because of his eyes. But he has suffered a trauma that Naruto has probably missed out on. which is good, who'd want to go through that? Anyway, thats just my perspective.

-.- I shall name my reasons of hate first. 1! He's a JACKASS for LEAVING NARUTO! 2! He's so greedy for POWER! 3! He would ACTUALLY go with OROCHIMARU (UGH!) instead of NARUTO! ^^ haha sorry that was in my "imagination form" ^^ just like fanfics are made for! 4! His attitude! 5! BEING SO DAMN SEXAY BUT HE HAS TO BE BAAAAAAD!

u.u I shall now name my reasons of like-ness. 1! He's DAMN SEXAY! 2! He loves Naruto (yeah people I'm a YAOI FAN. You got a problem with that?!) 3! He saved Naruto during Haku's fight! 4! He SMILED at Naruto when they were young! 5! He's a GOOD PERSON!

^^ That shall be all for now. Ja ne! (meaning see you later in japanese)

apart from that, i agree with everything you said.

1) he's good looking.

2) his hair! ( the thing stands on its own! Awesome!)

3) i liked it when he saved Naruto.

Dislikes:

1) he thinks he's almighty. ( i really don't like people who thinks of them selves so highly, yet they are not! As a saying in our tongue goes, " ang kapwa magnanakaw ay galit sa kapwa magnanakaw...)

2) his decision to go to Oro-chan

3)SELFISH!

4) he does not care about the village

Lastly!

5) He wants to KILL ITACHI! ( NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)

He is stupid..BAKA!BAKA!BAKA!

Not to offend anyone but that's what I think...because, his friends cared for him but he still is too dense to notice it, and he chose revenge instead of his friends...i hate people like that, they've got to break free from their past and live in their present life!

As to being cold blooded in his attack on Naruto, heck yeah he was. He was a cold little monster, but he's a ninja (killing is what they do). And again, upbringing. A few months of happiness and teamwork isn't going to suddenly make him okay.

And lastly, his going to Orochimaru... was stupid. Very stupid. But he's twelve, so what do you want from him XD;. And he's a twisted twelve-year-old to boot. He's just thinking 'how can I get strong' 'oh, you can make me strong' *scoots off despite the concequences*. I doubt he really thought this through completely, even if he's a 'genius'. Twelve-year-olds aren't known to have the best judgement. He's not the best character, but I do sort of appreciate him for his flaws. He's a flawed character, and his personality is understandable for what he went through.

Ok, to break it down for you in three words, he is complex.

First of all, he probably adored his brother, but Itachi had to go and kill the whole entie clan, then use the Tsuyonomoi(I know that's spelled incorrectly) to make him watch over and over again. Dude, your gonna have issues after that. So he decides to kill his brother and avenge his clan. Enter Uzamaki Naruto.

Naruto is also complex. He as a baby had the kyubbi sealed inside, which he had no say in what so ever, and what do people do they absolutely hate the kid for no reason. Incoming more issues! So to make everyone finally acknowledge him, he aspires to become Hokage. Two very horrible heartwrenching traumas,yet there on opposite ends of the spectrum. Why, because he was the #1 rookie, he was dead-last, he was angsty, the other happy-go-lucky yet through being on the same team they became best friends.

Now your probaly wondering, where the heck is this guy's point? Well, more or less that is my point. You may argue whether which is the gooder one(excuse my bad grammer)so I'll tell you: Naruto's is more moral, while Sasuke's is more noble. I'll let you ponder that out. But anyway, they're both complex characters, WITH FAULTS, and accept them for who they are. Thank you for reading this humble thesis.

1. he's bratty and self-centered

2. he broke poor Sakura's heart

3. he ditched everyone

4. all he cares about is killing freakin Itachi

5. all the people I love almost died trying to bring him back (I know Shikamaru only broke a finger but he would be dead if the sand Shinobi hadn't come when they did)

6. he almost killed Naruto (he tried to)

7. Naruto almost died when he had to tell Sakura that he lost(did you see his face?)

8. poor Shikamaru cried cause he failed

9. I know for a fact that Naruto did not get over it because in the new theme song you see a shooting star in Naruto's eye and then you see him squeeze Sasuke's headband.

10. there was another few but I forgot them, eh oh well I HATE HIM!!!!!!!!

(Just kidding!)

Ok, so I have read some of the posts. I didn't read the other posts because my eyes hurt...hahahhaha.

Okay, here's my comment.

I love Sasuke-kun. I just love him from head to foot. No more further clarification; I am also a girl, I know what other girls feel ( the fan girls I mean) that Sasuke was indeed HOT. Yeah baby, yeah.

BUT, it was just that he somewhat changed in the recent episodes ( Please bear with me. I'm still at the season 3 or season 4 of Naruto ^_^ That's why I'm saving money to buy Naruto episodes/manga! T_T)right? Yeah. And that keeps bothering me. He became colder and darker. He was really indeed GREEDY of power. I don't like his going-to-orochimaru-to-get-power thing. I really hate it!! It is because, anything you want/need to get, you should work hard. Don't just rely on miracles, or easier ways/things to do. But I really understand him. I dunno why, I wanted to hate him, despise him, and run, run...ah! Sorry, I just remembered Itachi's words ^_^. Okay, I can't hate him for that. He's sometimes (maybe not sometimes) or a snob, heartless. Cold. Arrogant. BUT, he didn't not have those attitudes naturally. I mean, he's not as cold as today when he was still a child, is he? He was not born to be heartless, only after the 'Uchiha Clan Massacre'. And also the 'revenge thing'. Yeah, revenge was not the answer to his problem/s. But it's too hard to do in reality. Easy to say but hard to do. Same goes for Sasuke. His friends always tell him that revenge was not the answer, but did he follow them? If you were in his position, will you do the same thing? Maybe Yes and No. That 'revenge' thing was like a child...us, right? For example, you were punched by your classmate. And then anger filled you and punched back or any bad thing you'll do. But in Sasuke's part; It's serious. That's why I understand him. I do.

One last, Sasuke was like the 'Spice' in the anime.

Every change has various reasons.

So, my answer:

I like Sasuke-kun.

Nothing more, nothing less.

...but that's only my opinion.

he cares about is power

True, and Wicked rebutted with the Naruto argument. But you must realise that Naruto uses it to earn the title Hokage. Implying that he wants to dedicate his life to protecting others. Sasuke also wants power but to kill Itachi and he ends up going to Orochimaru. Implying he is willing to sacrifice things for more power.

Now I must draw your attention to the fact that he has gotten worst with the 3 years. It is as I suspected before it came out. Sasuke in his blindness and Megalomanic state has became even worse than before due to time. This is demonstrated also by Naruto who after being trained by Jiraiya for 3 years, has become more perverted.

While Sasuke has gone to his self-destruction and became a bigger villain under the guidance, training and influence of Orochimaru, it is also due to the Cursed Seal. There is no redemption for Sasuke in my opinion and even if there is, the chances are slim.

The two things I like about the present Sasuke is that he turned evil and that he wants to kill Itachi. If he ever does live and become good again, I won't really like him much from then on.

Why I like him? Well, the first reason is obvious. He's hot. Probably, the hottest character in Naruto (Then again everyone have different tastes, so ...) but that's the first reason why I like him.

Second reason is because, he's powerful. And because he's evil.

After the Second Chuunin Exam task, I knew it, Sasuke wouldn't become an hero that everyone will love, or at least I don't want him to. It'd be boring. Like, too predictable. And I hope he kills Orochimaru and becomes the main villain. If Naruto makes him come back to Konoha, hell, I am going to hate this anime.

Third reason, how he will make anything to reach his goal. Not even friendship stops him and I hope it never will, because for me Sasuke is doomed. But at least would be remembered as one of the greates villains.

I find no reason to dislike him, sorry.

Also it makes a good plot, Naruto traumatized because his "best friend" is evil and he can't do anything about it, bwjajajajaja ...

Finally something Naruto can't solve!

What I'm trying to say is that Sasuke has a lot of problems, and I like that he has these problems. But there are also good sides to him too, which I like as well. Like the fact that he tried to protect Naruto and Sakura in the fight with Gaara, and how he almost died saving Naruto from Haku, and how he didn't kill Naruto, even though he most definitely could have.

He twelve- Well he's 15 now, but what does the age 12 has anything to do with this. Your Kakashi argument and evidence isn't convincing enough. What I want to see is some more evidence THAT THE AGE OF 12 makes you a kid who makes poor decisions. I don't know about you but I'm sure that at the age, adults expect you to make conscientious decisions. So congrats for inspiring another point- He lacks conscience.

Sasuke has problems, but he should learn to deal with it in some other way than "Betray Konoha in exchange for power". Yes I know that and I've seen the good sides of Sasuke. But I doubt there is any good left in him. Hmm I wonder how I should characterise Sasuke as an Antaganist. Anyway I'm getting good sport debating with all you Sasuke lovers. I'm definitely enjoying my online practice.

Adding this point from Linkandluigi to further the damage done. Even though them maybe Sakura bashers with odd points to hate her, the site has some pretty good points about other things.

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