Please feel free to insert any spoilers you have regarding these two. I haven't read the manga but I'm anxious to know what else is going on. I seriously love this couple, and it utterly broke my heart with the way it ended. I was very happy when there were moments where Nobu still couldn't forget Hachi, and possibly vice versa. They were the sweetest things together, and that's what keeps me from supporting HachixTakumi. HachixTakumi isn't bad and actually Takumi's a handsome man and 'cool man,' but Nobu being with Hachi appeals to me x100 more. It's just so... beautiful.

Such tragedies happen.

Well so far I found out Takumi's not treating Hachi very well in the manga, and Nobu's dating the AV star Yuri (not serious about her I heard though).

Sigh, depression.

When has Takumi ever treated Hatchi well, to be honest? I'd go on, but I really try to abstain from anything resembling character bashing, even one whose redeeming quality I can count on one hand with digits to spare.

But anyway, while I'm not Takuchi fan, neither am I crazy about Nobu/Hatchi (Although out of the two Nobu wins hands down). They both needed some growing up to do--Hatchi for obvious reasons, although I think she's been taking baby steps for that all through the series, and Nobu who needed to learn how to support others. I don't think he's ever had that opportunity to do so, as all the girls in his life have told him to choose her or his music and obviously he chose music. When Hatchi tells him he's pregnant, he runs away feeling sorry for himself and (for whatever stupid reason) thinking Hatchi cheated on him. I mean, come on. He knew full well there was a bit of overlap between when they got together and the last time she was with Takumi.

I really don't think Yazawa will end this series with Takumi and Hatchi being one big happy nuclear family. Aside from the Takumi is a d!ck factor, the whole point of Hatchi's story is to show how she's trying to be more mature about things and not be so self-centered. It's the reason she didn't just abort the baby in spite of this being quite the common decision for unwed mothers in Japan, as well as the reason she gave up on her dream for true love and settled for Takumi and trying to make the best of that godawful situation. Not that it was the best choice, mind you, but kudos for the thought process. I do think she will eventually become more self-assured and independent, if her career choice is any indication, and whether or not Nobu will be apart of that is up in the air. I wouldn't mind either way, really.

anyway, enough rambling about that... -_-;;

in my opinion, and i'm sure alot of takuchi fans will disagree with me on this, nobu is hachi's "first love", and i think he is the one that she still loves, and would have chosen had the circumstances been different.

now, by first love i mean it like this- because nobu is the first boyfriend hachi had that she put before herself. she didn't think of her own wants and needs at all with him, if she did then instead of staying silent on the night they broke up, she would have given him an explanation and chosen him over takumi.

i'm not very far into reading the manga yet, i'm just coming up on reira's birthday party, but i think hachi will stay with takumi, as much as it pains me to say it [i love takumi's character, just not with hachi]

she made a decision and i'm sure she plans on sticking to it for the sake of her daughter, no matter what. and she loves takumi also. though it would seem, judging from the future glimpse we see, that she isn't entirely happy with her marriage for whatever reason [takumi's cold nature, him always being gone, etc]

it also seems that she thinks of nobu alot whenever she's sad over takumi, which i find very interesting ^_^

i've heard that nobu ends up dating yuri... ugh. if he's going to date anyone, why can't he date miu?? who cares if she's 27...

anyway, maybe yazawa will surprise us all and have hachi divorce takumi and marry nobu ^_^ only time will tell i guess.

anyway, enough rambling about that... -_-;;

in my opinion, and i'm sure alot of takuchi fans will disagree with me on this, nobu is hachi's "first love", and i think he is the one that she still loves, and would have chosen had the circumstances been different.

now, by first love i mean it like this- because nobu is the first boyfriend hachi had that she put before herself. she didn't think of her own wants and needs at all with him, if she did then instead of staying silent on the night they broke up, she would have given him an explanation and chosen him over takumi.

i'm not very far into reading the manga yet, i'm just coming up on reira's birthday party, but i think hachi will stay with takumi, as much as it pains me to say it [i love takumi's character, just not with hachi]

she made a decision and i'm sure she plans on sticking to it for the sake of her daughter, no matter what. and she loves takumi also. though it would seem, judging from the future glimpse we see, that she isn't entirely happy with her marriage for whatever reason [takumi's cold nature, him always being gone, etc]

it also seems that she thinks of nobu alot whenever she's sad over takumi, which i find very interesting ^_^

i've heard that nobu ends up dating yuri... ugh. if he's going to date anyone, why can't he date miu?? who cares if she's 27...

anyway, maybe yazawa will surprise us all and have hachi divorce takumi and marry nobu ^_^ only time will tell i guess.

Short detour off the topic, but I have to comment--a lot of folks tend to think that because she doesn't cry and puts her foot down a bit more firmly that she is the "better" Nana. But really? Nana is pretty possessive and jealous. It's not exactly a normal response to blank out after finding out your friend is pregnant and will move out to live with the father of the baby (Even if the guy fails at life). While Hatchi made the best of her situation without shedding a bunch of tears over it, Nana seems to want to steam-roller everyone to get what she wants (I'd elaborate further, but we don't have spoiler tags on this board).

I don't hate her for it--far from it. In fact, it was only then that I stopped being bored with her character. But I think it's unfair to mention one character's selfishness and not the others (Especially when Hatchi knows how selfish she is and makes steps to curve that).

IMHO. :)

in my opinion, and i'm sure alot of takuchi fans will disagree with me on this, nobu is hachi's "first love", and i think he is the one that she still loves, and would have chosen had the circumstances been different.

now, by first love i mean it like this- because nobu is the first boyfriend hachi had that she put before herself. she didn't think of her own wants and needs at all with him, if she did then instead of staying silent on the night they broke up, she would have given him an explanation and chosen him over takumi.

I think Hatchi was just plain too ashamed to explain anything, really. But I concur nonetheless. Having him take care of her baby (which looks like it ended up being Takumi's anyway) would've ruined his dream of music, and I think the two of them being the MEMEME types they are, they'd have broken up in a few years after that anyway. The separation is good for them. Hatchi will learn to get some self-respect (I hope) and Nobu will learn to prop up someone else for a change.

ah, i think you've misunderstood me here- i didn't think nana was "better" than hachi, i just found hachi's character irritating. and yes nana definitely has her own bag of issues, but so does EVERYONE on the show.

I think Hatchi was just plain too ashamed to explain anything, really. But I concur nonetheless. Having him take care of her baby (which looks like it ended up being Takumi's anyway) would've ruined his dream of music, and I think the two of them being the MEMEME types they are, they'd have broken up in a few years after that anyway. The separation is good for them. Hatchi will learn to get some self-respect (I hope) and Nobu will learn to prop up someone else for a change.

yes, i agree that the separation will definitely do them both some good. though nobu did do something unselfish when he didn't see hachi during the fireworks- so it seems that he is starting to take steps himself into a more selfless direction as far as relationships are concerned.

Okay, that's fair. :) Some folks seem to get a lot more irritated with Hatchi's issues than others--maybe it's because she's the arch-nemesis of the strong women that gets pimped out on Oprah and stuff. Most of the complaints having to do with her behavior in relationships and sticking with Takumi through all his **, and claim that Nana is somehow "better" I'm glad that's not the case here.

*possible spoilers, though i think its pretty vague...*

so i'm almost up to date on the story as far as the manga's concerned, and i'm glad to see nobu's been maturing and that he realized [thanks to yasu] the "fatal" mistake he made with hachi, and didn't repeat that with asami.

*yay for yasu/miu ^_^*

and man... takumi... i just don't even know what to say about that. i find myself disliking the relationship between him and hachi more and more because of his actions. but eh, what can you do? hachi's made her decision. anyway, i should probably stop talking about that, seeing as this is the hachi/nobu thread -_-

I totally agree with must of you here! I like the HachiXNobu pairing way more than the HachiXTakumi... to be fair... lately I can't even stand Takumi!!! If things were a little different i would've probably liked him since at least in anime/manga he's totally the type I like (probably only surpassed by Ren xD) but while reading i began liking Nobu more and more!! I think it began the moment stupid takumi said he had slept with Hachi and Nobu really wanted to punch him!! (he should've!!! good for shin for throwing the beverage at him) And after that when he told Hachi he loved her... i actually think my heart was beating faster xD When they were finally together I became all hyper!! Now... that's what i call a couple!!!! But now... Hachi married to Takumi and Nobu dating Yuri... nooooo!!! I dont like it at all!!! T-T

[quote] I think Hatchi was just plain too ashamed to explain anything, really. But I concur nonetheless. Having him take care of her baby (which looks like it ended up being Takumi's anyway) would've ruined his dream of music, and I think the two of them being the MEMEME types they are, they'd have broken up in a few years after that anyway. The separation is good for them. Hatchi will learn to get some self-respect (I hope) and Nobu will learn to prop up someone else for a change. [/quote]

Kari, about what you said, i kinda agree to a certain extend. There was a scene where after the "talk" with Nobu, Hachi ran off to Junko+Kyousuke's house. Takumi came back and saw the neoprint of her and Nobu, and said to himself "You really love him that much huh"... I guess she kinda chose Takumi for the sake of Nobu as well, because yeah there are many factors to think of, his dream of music, though he's from a rich family, but he already has abit of issues with living expenses already. If BLAST have more time to build their name in the music industry, it may be a different story. I don't wanna judge Nobu, he may still love Satsuki as his very own. However, based on the fact that he was panicking over money issues and minor stuff, he neglected Hachi's feelings. Takumi, however, handled the situation well. Seriously, after saying so much, Hachi still doesn't seem like she knows what she wants. After living with Takumi for a while, she claims she realise she loves him more than Nobu =_=" oh my dear goodness... anyways, whatever you mentioned above, i agree totally.

Although I really wish she and Takumi can have a warm family together, but if she ends up with Nobu, i'll be happy too ^^ But of cos i hope for the former... =p

I didn't really bother to read everyone's posts but I really just wanted somewhere to talk about this pairing. :3 Its my Nana OTP. *heart*

I just wanted to comment on the fact that people are making Hachi seem selfish and uncaring about Nobu and his ever-enduring love for her, when really she reciprocates the feelings and left Nobu FOR NOBU in the first place. Hachi chose Takumi over Nobu, not because he had the money whereas Nobu does not, yet, but because Hachi didn't want Nobu to have to give up his dream to be able to support her and the baby using the money from his parents inn. Unlike what Nobu thinks is her reason, Hachi also didn't choose Takumi because 'Nobu can never match up to Takumi'. This is simply what Nobu tells himself is Hachi's reasonings. If Nobu really knew why Hachi chose Takumi I'm fairly sure that - although it would crush him a bit - he would give up his dreams of being in Blast and provide for her and the baby - regardless of who's it is - in a heartbeat. He told her that he would do anything to bring her happiness because he truly is in love with her. So I believe that when Hachi finally dumps Takumi, Nobu will be more than willing to be with her. Nobu has shown that no matter who he is with, no matter what he does to try to take his mind off of her, his heart always chooses Hachi. His love towards her is unwavering, regardless of how much he DOESN'T want to love her anymore.

I think that because of the recent chapters, it looks to me like Nobu will break up with Yuri, Hachi will eventually? lose Takumi and the two will finally be able to be together. This is what I hope will happen, anyways. ^^;; And I say this TOTALLY disregarding the flashforwards, because I don't know what to honestly make of them.

I realize that most of these posts are insanely old, but I just wanted to post this somewhere, regardless of whether anyone will read it. C: (Since I've only quite recently fallen in love with Nana.)

I just wanted to comment on the fact that people are making Hachi seem selfish and uncaring about Nobu and his ever-enduring love for her, when really she reciprocates the feelings and left Nobu FOR NOBU in the first place.

I believed that too, but as I re-read the story again, it's clear she does a lot of things for herself, as well.As I stated earlier in the thread, she's grown a bit through the series, but she confesses that she had feelings for Takumi that were separate from him being her baby daddy.I know she loves Nobu, but as I said, they were both people who have never made an effort to stick out a rough patch. Nobu was about to leave Yuri for the same reason before Nana called him on it.

That being said, I'm glad Hachi didn't just give into her passions when he kisses her and finally is trying to do the honest thing of clearing things up with Takumi before moving on to Nobu--to make sure it's what she wants for sure. Obviously, it seems, something gets in the way of that since she's still married to him years later, but it's progress.

Hey, I was just wanting to clear up some things. -.- There is no episode past that one you mentioned where Hachi runs a bath for Nobu correct? But the manga goes farther? Someone I know said something about a second season, and I was rather curious.

Takumi is beautiful physically, but then you get a whiff of his personality then its like, nevermind. Heh. Seems to happen a lot in real life, too, sadly. Ah, I have to agree on the part of Hachi's selfishness, it is rather unattractive which probably lead to Shoji's cheating on her.

On another note, who is this Takuchi? I keep seeing this name everywhere. If I remember correctly, who Hachi considered her first love was Takashi Asano... Though I rather do agree on why you consider Nobu her first love. She was perfectly fine taking advantage of Takumi because, well, he was taking advantage of her, right? I was quite disappointed by the futuristic episode showing her daughter at a later age... I thought for sure it would end happily. Also you've seen the anime right? Does it also seem to you that Nana O. just kinda disappears? At first I thought it seemed that way because went off and got famous but the last episode shows the other band members. And throughout the entire anime Hachi is always talking to Nana like she's gone forever.

Ya know...if Hachi did divorce Takumi and go with Nobu, it wouldn't be a surprise.. Plus it seems her daughter is well aware of who her father is, and whether the relationship between Hachi and Takumi is public, that could look bad for Trapnest..so I doubt there would be a divorce, or is that precisely why Yazawa would do something like that...?

*ramble ramble*

i personally dont understand what do guys see in nana hachi i mean ** shes ** attention, low life, cheater, dumb ** she makes me sick. she sleeps with every guy and i can't believe she slept with an older guy and he's freaking married. what a selfish dumb **? i so want takumi is way good for her and i don't think he'll change with her. he needs someone who has self respect and pure. then hell change. i hate when people always blame takumi and say hes cheater well hachi is the biggest ** in the world. SHE JUST SLEPT WITH AN OLDER MARRIED GUY. SHE STOLE HIM FROM HIS WIFE. SHE'S SO LOW. i don't get why didn't the creator kill her instead of ren he's one of my most favorite.

TAKUMI IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT UGLY **. TAKUMI DIVORCE HER AND TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER AWAY FROM HER BEFORE SHE BECOMES ** LIKE THAT UGLY **.

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