I've also never been fond of Malik/Yami Malik or Jounouchi/Anzu. -shrugs-

I hate ANYONE and Pegisus (sp?)*shiver*

oh, and Anzu and anyone but Tristian

I also hate any pairing with Anzu in it, I hate that girl.

I hate silentshipping.

i hate anything that breaks my unbreakable couples (yyy, br, sj, mm)

i hate most things with anzu. the only ones i like are yuri for her.

OH MY RA!!! I HATE YAMI-ANZU (revolution), YUUGI-ANZU (peach), JOEY-MAI (polar, SETO-MOKUBA (tabloid))!!! oh my gods. i know they are kinda cannon ships, espeially polar and peach, but still, eww. oh my gods eww. ewwwwwwww. ewwwwwwww. ewwwwwwww.

I've read maybe five fics of them that actually keep all of them in character. I've seen fanfics where Jounouchi was sobbing and on his knees because he was being beaten on by "bullies" until Kaiba came and saved him.

Jounouchi. Who has taken on about five guys by himself and WON with barely a scratch.

That's why I tend not to like the fanfics with them, because they aren't writing the actual characters, or even trying to.

Please, let Jounouchi have his spine and his spark and his fire. He's not Jounouchi otherwise.

As for me, I'm cool with absolutely any pairing that doesn't involve non-canon het pairings. That's very general, so more specifically it's things like Yami no Malik x. Shizuka, Anzu x. (anyone who isn't Yami or Yuugi; I'm not big fans of either of those characters so I don't read those fics anyway), or Seto x. Mai.

Kaiba/Anzu. I just don't see it.

Kaiba/Shizuka. Ditto.

Yami (as a person separate from Yugi)/Anzu. I just don't see him doing that to Yugi. Yugi comes first, period.

Anything with Yami in the present in his own body. Negates the power of the end of the series for me.

Yami/Yugi. I actually have some ambivalence about this one. To me, they're part of the same person. Pairing them up seems vaguely incestuous and disturbing to me, although their bond with each other is so deep and intense and I adore it, so I can see where the motivation for this pairing comes from. I've also read some very, very good fics with them paired. Still, it just doesn't sit well with me. Plus, I just don't see Yugi as gay.

Yami Bakura/Ryo or Yami Marik/Marik. Sorry, but ew, partly for the same reason as Yami/Yugi (the same person) and partly because these Yamis are sick sadistic bastards and I don't find that sexy.

I don't know who came up with this, but I really want to hurt them.

I also have this thing about Yami/Yugu, I don't know why but I just don't like it. Sorry to anyone who likes it. It's just me, I'm crazy.

I agree on what’s been said about puppyshipping. I really love the pairing, but it’s so rare to see well-done ones in which the great dynamic between the two of them isn’t completely destroyed.

So I just tend to just read anything these days. *shrugs*

I'm sorry if I offended anyone about SetoxJounouchi.

I am utterly baffled by the prevalence of Yami no Malik/Malik, especially ones that profess to be in the canon-like world. Yami no Malik is a personality disorder. He isn't a possessing spirit from the past. He's what Malik created to protect himself. That could have sick, twisted connotations, but most of what I see is just happy fluff most of the time, or Yami no Malik mysteriously having his own body and raping him.

Granted, I like *some* Yami no Malik pairings, but it's the concept of Yami no Malik with Malik that just baffles me.

Yami no Bakura/Ryou doesn't baffle me. The way people always write it as abusive does. It just couldn't happen that way. If anything, it would be a matter of possessiveness and use. Emotional blackmail, not physical pain.

I like Seto/Shizuka only and alone because of potential Seto-Jou fights. I love Seto-Jou fights. I’d be perfectly happy if the whole show consisted of nothing but Seto-Jou fights.

Hm, odd that you can’t see Seto/Anzu. I’ve not been reading it often, but I find more believable than other Seto-pairings: Anzu’s at least a fairly normal person, no visions of the past and other halfs or anything like that; and I do think that she would at least be able to put up with him better than most other people.

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Granted, I like *some* Yami no Malik pairings, but it's the concept of Yami no Malik with Malik that just baffles me.

Y.Malik/Malik is completely confusing to me too. It makes no sense at all – how can you fall in love with your own personality disorder? (And I don’t really like Y.Malik)

But... you know, it’s hot anyway so... I just try not to think too much.

Yami no Bakura/Ryou doesn't baffle me. The way people always write it as abusive does. It just couldn't happen that way. If anything, it would be a matter of possessiveness and use. Emotional blackmail, not physical pain.

I don’t know... I prefer emotional-blackmail stories as well, because I want Bakura pictured as manipulative and calculating, not some lazy wife-beater who gets drunk every day. But, honestly, I don’t see why he wouldn’t physically abuse Ryou if he *could*, and if he thought that it might be a good way to keep him under control. Maybe he’d just figure it *isn’t* a good way, but it’s not like he’d have scruples.

Mainly I can't see it because of two reasons.

1. Not much they can relate to each other in. Anzu is *too* normal in my opinion for him. He might not care about the magic and the past, but she would insist it's real and matters. He doesn't *care* and they'd fight too much on it for it to be a long-term relationship. Neither is the type to give up on something, and that would clash too much for it to last very long.

2. No common interests. Seto would in my opinion be better suited with someone who has game-related interests. Not someone to challenge him *enough* to get his more "killer" instincts going, but enough so they'd have something to talk about. Otogi or Ryou could fit in that spot, for me. Especially Ryou, as there's no way Seto could ever be emotionally threatened by him. He might dislike some of Ryou's hobbies (the occult) but Ryou is quiet enough about them so he wouldn't try to *force* Seto to believe it's true.

Anzu would definitely go on his nerves way to much (heh. So would Otogi, for completely different reasons), but I can’t see him having a healthy relationship with someone who doesn’t *demand* something as well. And I don't think that the other being interested in games in general would be that much of a plus - it’s not like Kaiba would be discussing duel monsters or have half-friendly competition with anyone but the best duellist in the world...

But you have a point. Maybe I just picture Seto as more normal than he is.

I also dont like Yami/Anzu. Mainly because in my mind, Anzu doesnt deserve a person like Yami.

*shrugs* I don't think about it in terms of het or shounen ai or whatever. It's personalities, not plumbing, to me. It's just I don't think any of the females of the show could really suit Seto. (However there is a possibility in the Yu-Gi-Oh R manga, though that's more a matter of my personal opinion than any chemistry between them. To the best of my knowledge, they've never met, or at least haven't yet.)

There's SetoxKisara too, which seems at least hinted.

(I never read YGO R, unfortunately)

There's a ton of fangirls who just want their favorite bishounen so badly that they decide they relate best to Anzu so they pair her off with whoever they adore, hence how pairings like

Pegasus x Anzu

Varon x Anzu

Amelda x Anzu

Yami Marik x Anzu

were born. I think Anzu should be with Honda cuz the guy gets no love (except from Otogi maybe). XD

Otherwise, I pretty much ship everything except for incest pairings. (although I do like Sieg x Leon...)

One pairing I HATE is Darkshipping (Yami no Yugi and Yami no Bakura) I've never gotten that. They are mortal enemies, they hate each other, and the latter has been trying for millennia to kill the former and steal his power! I really don't see how it would work out, their personalities are too different. Heck, I don't see how hatred for the other would ever diminish enough for a relationship to START! Plus I just can't stand to see my favorite character (Bakura) end up with my least favorite character (Yami).

As for a romance between them...I've seen it done well in AUs. Sometimes. Not always. Frankly, the hatred between them can be what sparks it, as hatred and love are both the product of intense focus on someone. Sometimes one can turn into the other. Not all the time, but once in a while.

Besides, who said a relationship between them had to be *romantic* and *loving*? It could just as easily be full of raw, painful, rough sex and each using the other, refusing to acknowledge the softer feelings that are sneaking in as they get to know one another.

There's all kinds of romance and love, after all.

I'm too fond of Puppyshipping either. Like people said, it's very rare to find a good fic.

1.)Jounouchi can never, EVER forgive Kaiba for what he had done in Death-T. He his way too sensetive and holds a grudge. He even turns bias agianst him and won't aknowldge the good things he does, like saving his brother, etc.

2.) Jounouchi is rather stiaght, if you ask me. Pulling up skirts of classmates, possessing video **, and they way he drools over good looking woman, like Mai, doesn't seem all that gay to me. Of cousre, some guys do act extra masculine to hide their homosexuality, but I doubt Jounouchi is hiding anything, being the loud mouth he is. (though he did hide him having a sister from everybody for a long time, so that can shoot my thoery down ;p)

3.)I have not seen Kaiba be all that interested in other people romantically...and if he is, I don't think that Kaiba has the patience to deal with Jounouchi.

They have two complete personalities, yet they are very simular. Both would do anything for their younger sibling, both had awful fathers, both are stubborn and have fixed opionions, they are not easily persuaded. Yet, they both have a different way of dealing with simular obsticules. For this reason, I think that they could never have a long realationship, maybe a fling if they were drink, but I don't think they can ever love each other that way.

Now, I'm not bashing this couple, nor am I trying to make people change their preference of the couple. I totally respect people's choice in loving this couple, I'm just writing why I don't think they don't go together. I hope no one has taken offense, and if so I give you my deepest apologies.

Oh! And I totally love Anzu fics. I think that Kaiba and Tea rock. You should all really try them!

That reminds me, if anyone is out there sharpening their pitchforks, knives, etc. I would like to simply say that I DON'T CARE!

*Laughs* Rock on! You shouldn't care what others think of your perference. I like Anzu, I like straight coupling, I like gay coupling(though you don't), but it really doesn't matter, just as long as everybody respects other peoples perfernce.

One of my biggest pet peeve is when people try to 'convert' other people into what they consider the best. People have different moral standards, different tastes, and different comfort zones. Actually, I used to loathe gay coupling, and everytime a story that had any gay coupling, I bolted out of the fic offended. After hours of research and deep thought, I began seeing gay coupling the same as straight coupling, it did not matter to me anymore, even though I am straight. I, however, respect that you don't like to read those kind of stories, because personally there are some stories in which I aviod altogether, alos. (Like for example, a victim falling deeply in love with their abuser....** me off sooooo much! I don't care if it's a straight couple or a gay couple, it really just ** me of!)

And I'll also take your side, Ai-Baka-San Austra. I really hate it when people try to convert others to like the pairing. So...yeah...whatnot.

I would so much perfer to read a fic that is actually more realistic. The majority of the cast *is* straight, and maybe one is homosexual and perhapes a few can be bi. But when I read a fiction with all the males being gay and having the female roles bing bashed, espcially Anzu, I feel suffocated. It's too much for me to handle.

I also agree with you, animefreak249, with the incest pairings...and even Seto/Shizuka pairings.

Incest pairings: Either different sex, same sex...it really is disgusting...family should love you, but not in that level. I'm a bit sensitive to those kind of pairings because I have been kissed twice by my cousin, because his dad, my uncle, had *sex* with his cousins, so my cousin thought it was okay to kiss me.... So incest pairings I try to aviod for personal reasons. Though if people like them, fine. I really don't care.

Seto/Shizuka pairings: Yeah, I really don't have a reason to not like, but I never read a really good fanfiction to confert me yet, and I just don't see them together. Alot of people like this pairing because of the whole "opposite attraction" thing. Since when has opposite attraction really been successful anyway in real life?

However, I'm a shadowshipper (Yami/Shizuka) supporter (funny I just found that out a couple days ago that it's called shadowshipping), and I don't care if you hate it or not. We all have our opinions, and I'm sure you like other stuff (I don't know what though). And I'll agree with you that the whole "opposites attract" thing doensn't work (and I understand why).

I agree with all u anti silent shippers out there and all you anti puppy shippers im sorry i dont see it myself, maybe cuz im not into yaoi or wateva u call it and even if i was, they hate eachother too much!

OH and tristan with anyone is kinda dumb but him and tea or serenity maybe..altho i personally think that theyre both too good for the pencil head hahaha

OTOH, I can totally see Marik or Bakura as gay. I almost can't see them as straight. (Love those two together!)

TOTALLY agree about the incest stuff. ::shudder:: It's all very disturbing. Seto/Mokuba and Jou/Shuzika are the most disturbing because to me that really twists how lovely their NON-SEXUAL sibling bonds are. Kaiba and Jou would give their lives for their younger siblings. That is a beautiful thing. Why does it have to be made into something sexual? Too VC Andrews for my taste. :P

That's similar to the way I see the Yami pairings with their other selves. It feels like a blend between incest and masturbation to me. The Marik and Bakura ones are also disturbing to me because I don't like the whole twisted evil is sexy thing, and Marik's Yami is a personality disorder rather than a reborn spirit anyway. The Yami/Yugi one... their bond is even better than the sibling bonds above. It is really a lovely connection and one of the most beautiful aspects of the show. I'd rather not have it turned sexual.

I do fall pray to the pairings w/ other halves...but I agree that it is an incest/masturbation complex....Hmmm....I really do believe that peole don't see it that way....or if they do, they aren't bothered by it.

It would be cool though to read a romance that has straight characters w/ one feeling homosexual urges towads another...and what everyone's reaction would be towards him/her...Because in reality, homosexuality is considered a 'desease', as sad as it sounds, and no one really goes into depth about the nasty reaction society hits them w/. (Some stories do though). It seems that every other fic is own huge gay orgy in one huge gay world/city....umm my opionion though.

Not by everyone. There really are people who are straight and who would not freak out at their friend(s) being gay. Not everyone has to know about it.

and no one really goes into depth about the nasty reaction society hits them w/.

Why should they? Who really *wants* to write about how horrible society treats people every single time they choose to write a gay couple? There really are other things to talk about, like the relationship itself.

Name one character of Yu-Gi-Oh who *in character* would freak out about someone being gay? The theme of the show is friendship and support. They'd all stick by each other in the end. Sure, some of them might be surprised, but in the end...they wouldn't let it get in the way. *None* of them. Yes, this includes Anzu, who would probably be the first person Yuugi would tell if he started to check out guys instead of her.

Once you've saved the world and saved a few souls together, who someone wants to sleep with doesn't really matter that much.

Maybe the world could take a few lessons from fanfiction and just deal with homosexuals as human beings.

It's not like they're *not* after, all.

Perhapes you mistaken me, but I don't believe I wrote that *everyone* considers homosexulality a desease. But if I had, please direct me towards my mistake that way I can edit the typo, for I would never intentually write something that is false.

I do undersatnd that the way I worded my sentence that it looks as though I'm claiming everyone to consider homosexuality a desease. I'm sorry for the miscommunication. What I meant was that in some pshychology(not all) they consider **(bi)sexual oreintation and transsexualisim to be a desease. And if you ever spoken to an ultra conservative person or ultra religious person(though some religious people do approve homosexualtiy...it's just the marjority don't) you'll notice that they also consider homosexuality a desease...they even send the 'sick' to therapy...

Another thing, I never said that a striaght person would freak out. I have lesbian friends, and i have gay friends...When I foulnd out, I didn't freak out. I thought they same of them. When my friends found out, they didn't freak out either. (one was grossed out, but she still loves them the same...actually she used to loathe homosexuals, but after I talked reason to her she softened. Funny, it turns out her step sis is a lesbian, which probably freaked her out in the first place...). The only people who reacted badly where the Christian/catholics. But they didn't do anything that considered to be a hate crime...all they did was talk non-stop of how god disapproves of them. Annoying, but not threating.

And when I wrote the nast bit of society...I was being overly dramitic, so pardon me. What i was meaning was something small, like the friend that rants about how the bible condemns it....nothing serious like beating them up(which has happened in real life). in fact, personlly I think it would deepen the relationship of the lovers if a few people...well, disapproved of them. It would be like, hey, no one likes us together, but you love me so much that you can handle the stares and jeering...something like that. It would be nice though to have a fic wher a character is having homosexual tendencies and all their emotions becames jumbbled up and confounded...But I'm not telling anyone to write it. I'm just giving some ideas to people. These forums were created to help authors brainstrom ideas...and all I did was mention my opinion of how gay coupling is perceived by me and how I think, if anyone wants to write a more realistic story, of how gays are treated. Not saying that all communties will shun gays...in fact many do accept it. All I'm trying to piont out is that there is alway going to be a person that is a homphobe. People can have it in their stories or not, I really don't care...it's just sometimes I feel when I read a fic and then another one and then anothr and then another one, it seems every story is the same: All characters are gay and society(the religious)doesn't think much of it when they are practically humping each other. It's not that I don't enjoy those fics, because I do...but if the majority of them are the same...? I guess I'm a little frustrated that almost every fic is the same, so I tried to bring another idea out...an idea that not all the characters are gay and that they feel some hurtful jabs people can throw at them for being 'this way'.

Actually, it would be kinda cool to have a story where a character is having homosexual tendencies and all the confusion and all the emotions they go through. It could be an internal story, having nothing to do with the external world. Just the story of that person learning on how to accept themselves...it's just a thought.

Name one character of Yu-Gi-Oh who *in character* would freak out about someone being gay? The theme of the show is friendship and support. They'd all stick by each other in the end. Sure, some of them might be surprised, but in the end...they wouldn't let it get in the way. *None* of them. Yes, this includes Anzu, who would probably be the first person Yuugi would tell if he started to check out guys instead of her.

I'll like to mention that I never said that the YGO cast would reject the person who became gay. I know they are friends, I know that they will stick through the hardships of life. As surprising as it seems, I have read the manga and I have watched the anime and I have noticed that all their friendships are knitted very tightly.I'm not ignorant, I actually pay attention, I research, and I evulaute what people write to the anime/manga they write. I understand that fiction is fiction, and anything goes...But I believe that the characters are OOC if they are all writen as gay. That's all. That's my opinion, I'm not saying that people should change their writing style.

Maybe the world could take a few lessons from fanfiction and just deal with homosexuals as human beings.

The world needs more important lessons than accepting gays, I'm afraid. There are straving people in this world...yet the government seem too proccupied with war. I don't want to further myself in politics, because someone will get offended. I just want to piont out that there is *always* going to have homophobes, sexists, racists, Nazi's....any hate group agianst another group...it's never going to change....not now anyway.

Last year I wrote a paper that brought my grade form 83% to 97%. That's incredible, because a single paper shpouldn't boost a grade that much, espcially with all the grammer mistakes (I have deluaxia, so English rules, grammer, spelling, speaking...I do poorly at) and I was over the maximum by 2300 words(and I cut it by 4000 words, but still was too much). This paper was on gay rights. The reason why I got such a good grade and extra credit pionts to my classroom grade was that I thoruoghly reseached, I crummbled all the opposing agruements, and I wrote *passionalty*. I believed in what I wrote, and I wasn't ashamed. So if any of you thought that I don't like gay coupling because I think its OOC if all the charcters are gay or that I think it's unrealistic that a story where it appears the whole world accepts homosexuality, that's not true. I love gay coupling. It's just people write everyone in the story gay that I kinda get numb after awhile.

Though, if someone does write a story with everyone gay, can you please tell me the logical reasoning, besides the whole "I like it, therefor I write", because it would be nice to hear a opinion that can convince me otherwise. Besides, I'll learn more, which is good.

There is not a single het pairing that I really like, except for Joey/Mai and Valon/Mai.

Anything with Yami no Malik, I will avoid.

Raphael/Dartz is also not a favorite.

And quite frankly, I don't think anyone owes anyone an explanation when it comes to who they pair or "make everyone gay". I avoid fics where everyone is gay and I sure won't be wondering why someone wrote something like that.

Neh, just curious as what makes people write the way they do...I like to see diffrent point-of-views...I learn alot from other perceptions and sometimes change my own if I'm convinced...I don't necissarly(spelled worng) aviod fics that have them all gay...it doesn't really bother me much...it just kinda gets old when I read story after story w/ all the characters gay...I do the same w/ stories w/ all straight couples...If I read to much straight fics I kinda get annoyed...Hmmm...just an odd quirk to my personality...everyone has their own perfernce to what they like to read...

Rebecca and pegasus is pretty farfetched too

The warnings for this is that I may go ballistic over these things: people saying that Silentshipping is a canon pairing, people saying that Anzu deserves no one and that she should die (okay, that one is questionable as to whether I'd go ballistic or not), and if someone comes in here with incest pairings. Those I have high chance going ballistic over. Even if it's for joking, I may go ballistic unless you noted in the end that it's only a joke. Just be careful around me with unnoted jokes like those.

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