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DerangedGenius

Topic: Teh Master! D:

Well, we always knew that something was just around the corner. Starting with the reappearance of the Daleks in the 9th Doctor series and continuing with the introduction of the new Cybermen in the 10th Doctor series, it was only a matter of time until the Doctor's greatest foe was brought back. It defies all logic and possibility, but there is a good amount of taunting assurance that the Master will be brought back for the second season of the 10th Doctor series. And why wouldn't they bring him back? He has survived everything life has thrown at him in order to keep on they path of Universal conquest. Come here to talk about all things realated to the new Master for the 10th Doctor series. But do be kind; all this is speculation. Nothing is concrete.

#1 May 29th 2007, 3:19pm

Dajun

it's concrete now...LOL that's assuming you've seen the latest episode. They still has a lot to explain as to how he survived the ending of the movie though...

#2 Jun 21st 2007, 9:51am

Y-Kira

Well yes, the movie does serve as a problem. But I've seen the new episode, and I really don't like where they've taken this new Master. He seems more generic now. I mean, gas? The Master wouldn't use gas, he'd just carry a laser and shoot everyone dead. Gas is just...not as Masterish.

#3 Jun 28th 2007, 2:42pm

Dajun

I understand what u mean but it kind of make since if you tink about it practically, I mean, where is he gonna get a blaster? He made a single trip on the TARDIS ( as far as we know) and landed on Earth, so it wouldn't really make since it he suddenly showed up with alien weapons (cus of course the Dr doesn't carry weapons :) ). I don't know if you've seen the latest episode but what they've done to the Doctor is absolutly stupid, I mean yes, we get it, they can make a 30 year old look like a 100 year old, just stop reminding us...(e.g. the Lazarus experiment and part of The Family of Blood)

#4 Jun 29th 2007, 9:59am

DerangedGenius

What the Master did to the Doctor was all part of his plan: age the Doctor to a point where he is incapable of taking any action. It wasn't stupid, but cleverly planned.

#5 Jun 29th 2007, 11:47am

Dajun

Yeah but it can't be a coincidence that they're using the same effects three times in one series if u know what i mean.

#6 Jun 29th 2007, 11:57am

Dajun

ok, before i say anything, have u all watched the final episode?

#7 Jun 30th 2007, 1:51pm

DerangedGenius

YES! And Russell T. Davies will toast in the flames of Whovian hell for this insult!

#8 Jun 30th 2007, 3:17pm

Dajun

What insult would that be? Cus let me tell ya there was so many plot holes in that episode it might as well have been Swiss Cheese.

#9 Jul 01st 2007, 8:09am

DerangedGenius

Well, first of all the obvious: THEY KILLED OFF THE MASTER! After 20 years, the Master is brought back and after only three episodes is dead again! They cast John Simm, star of Life on Mars, as the Master and he does spectacularly, but then they just kill him off like that! Its like getting the best thing you always wanted for your birthday and then having it ruined after a few days. They had BETTER bring the Master back!

Then, we get to the part where Martha leaves the Doctor after only ONE SEASON! She was a far better companion than jealous Rose and she just up and leaves when she was so good. Though, she gave the Doctor her Superphone, so I guess it's possible she will come back.

To answer your plot hole complaint, I agree completely. How was the Doctor able to regenerate back to his normal form using the Archangel Network? How did the Master turn all those humans into Toclafane when he was Professor Yana during the time when the last humans were going to Utopia? Plus, if Jack Harkness is the Face of Boe, why didn't he warn the Doctor about all this ** with the Toclafane invasion of Earth when the Doctor saw him in the future? Russell T. Davie's work is declining noticeably in my opinion. I hope he figures this out and remedies it before he's canned.

#10 Jul 01st 2007, 9:00am

Dajun

I understand your pain. But still, like the Daleks, they'll think of some excuse to bring the Master back, dunno how but trust me, they will. As for the plot holes, I can't express my frustrations anymore than I already have. This entire series in my opinion, has been quite weak compared to the two previous ones and they just had to ruin the finale with a rubbish ending, didn't they? I mean they first they did that with the Family of Blood, which was quite good until the ending, and now the one with the Master. As for the Face of Boe, well that, in my opinion, was a bit of a wild card, I mean surely some time during the millions of years that Jack inevitably lived, someone would have got out a DNA anyalasis thing and realised that he was human. Unless he wasn't one anymore but in that case what the hell is he?! And why have they still not explained about his mysterious past? Two years of memory, hello?

I'm telling you, if this is the future of Doctor Who then I'm sorry, but it won't be long before the BBC bin the idea again.

#11 Jul 01st 2007, 9:27am

DerangedGenius

It's not the idea, but the writers! They need to get people with more imaginative and creative ways of making Doctor Who stories. Again, at the start, Russell T. Davies was doing well, but as time went by his stories spun downward into mediocrity and incredulity. They shouldn't bin the Doctor, but Davies! Plus, I've noticed that most of the newer episodes have been based off of DW books, audio plays and earlier episodes, contributing to the lessening punch of the "new" plotlines.

#12 Jul 01st 2007, 9:56am

BRYGUYB16

I actualy liked the third season and I don't think they have run out of ideas just yet. yes there are plot holes but I if you over think things then you will not ve abloe to let them go. I liked the finaly, and they kind of had to kill the master of it was sort of fiting.

#13 Jul 05th 2007, 10:54am

Dajun

Well like I said before, they will definately do something to bring the Master back, but how would be a big question: they still haven't explained how he managed to excape the Tardis after the movie and now it look as though they never will... Oh, and another thing: why did Martha make such a big deal about her brother being the only one of her family to have remained uncaptured when he doesn't even make an appearance in the final episode?

#14 Jul 05th 2007, 1:28pm

BRYGUYB16

He was reserected by the time lords if you listen carfuly to the dialog you will catch it. and marthas brother if you watched the Doctor Who confidental was origenaly ment to have a bigger roll but he had time conflicts.

#15 Jul 05th 2007, 10:20pm

Dajun

Well that's a bummer, cus they were really building him up the episode before.

#16 Jul 19th 2007, 7:29am

Dajun

I actually think the guy who plays the Master (Jonh Simm, I think he's called) would make a better Doctor than Daid Tennant.

#17 Jul 22nd 2007, 7:55pm

DerangedGenius

That may be true, but he does way too well as the Master.

#18 Jul 23rd 2007, 1:24am

Fusionmix

Everything went downhill after Eccleston left...-drags Chris back onto set by ear-

#19 Jul 26th 2007, 12:39pm

Y-Kira

Oh, I would have absolutely loved it if the Ninth Doctor met the Master instead of the Tenth. I think Eccleston could have handled it way better than Tennant, and it would probably be more dramatic too. Not that Tennant wasn't dramatic, but Eccleston's Doctor was fresh from the Time War, with all that angsty Time Lord guilt. I bet he would be happy that anyone made it, until he realized it was actually the Master. You know, this Master was quite different from the one's we're used to. I'm used to the goatee of evil. I don't count Roberts. He's not my favorite.

#20 Jul 26th 2007, 1:40pm

Dajun

Well having a Master who jumps up and down and wears a disturbing smile all the time is certainly a change from the cape wearing Ming the Merciless type the older viewers are used to. Frankly I think the Master should be somewhere in between, perhaps going a bit more towards the John Simm interpretation since I enjoy watching him on stage more than previous incarnations. oh and his role in Lif On Mars rules! ^^

#21 Jul 26th 2007, 7:56pm

Diego Varen

Doesn't anyone think Derek Jacobi should have stayed as the Master? I mean John Simm is a great actor (watch Life on Mars), but as the Master he was awful, worse than Eric Roberts (I don't care what anyone says, Eric Roberts at least had some style).

I can just imagine how the three final episodes would've gone, had Christopher Eccleston been the Doctor and Derek Jacobi had been the Master. Oh well, we can dream.

Also, I agree with you, they need to get rid of Russell T. Davis. Have Steven Moffat be the head writer.

#22 Sep 03rd 2007, 12:46am

Dying Rose on The Vine

-holds a barrier to my face- I really really liked that episode! ^_^ Of course, I enjoyed the new Master's form of insanity...or whatever that was. Paired with the new Doctor's goofyness- I really enjoyed it! There was enough drama to make me not blink (as always). It was just, oh, so amzing to watch! ^_^ Heh

#23 Oct 02nd 2007, 4:06pm

Y-Kira

You should check out some of the stuff with Roger Delgado. He was great. Just, don't try and start with the Doctor Who Movie, no matter how awesome Paul McGann's Doctor is, because Eric Roberts isn't really a good starting Master. He's not bad...it's just he doesn't leave the best of impressions on newcomers to the fandom.

#24 Oct 03rd 2007, 1:40pm . Edited Oct 03rd 2007, 1:41pm

Dying Rose on The Vine

I know what you mean! My friend's first episode was 'Blink'. It scared her away from the show for a while, like, a couple of months, untill she saw a tamer, less freaky episode. Gosh, I loved Blink. I remember my first episode -goes misty eyed- Anywho, don't mind if I do -pulls out the BBC-

That whole new master thing really made me laugh- He was just goofy to look at! ^.^ For that reason, it pleased me ememcly (sp?).

#25 Oct 03rd 2007, 3:09pm

ImmortalLover

I went on youtube and showed my friend the scariest part of blink right after we came back from a dance and she swore she wouln't go near a strobe light again. I showed her the part in the basement with the angel turning off the light. she told me today that she had a nightmare about it last night. i just laughed.

I'm so happy the master's back! he's awesome and my whole family said that he sounded just like the doctor at this one point in the sound of drums, i just can't remember which part:)

#26 Oct 04th 2007, 2:01pm

Dying Rose on The Vine

Back? I weeped like a small child who watched its dog get hit by a dog, skinned, and then watched put into a soup it was forced to eat! And then Martha!!! What was wrong with her?! I'd be with the Doctor even if he didn't like me that way...though I am blond. Ooh, Doctor!

#27 Oct 10th 2007, 2:45pm

tehe-61

I love the Master! Yes he is evil, but he's just that sort of cheeky, loveable evil.

#28 Oct 10th 2007, 4:32pm

JennMel

John Simm's version of the Master was amazing!! He was just the right level of craziness, perfectly matching David Tennant's version of the Doctor. I really liked last of the timelords, but I get where people come from with the age manipulation thing getting old (pun not intended). And there are many who think that Martha is only gone temporarily (off for a stint in Torchwood this January's season), and then will return for the second half of season 4. Because Donna is just a whole new level of required tolerance from the fans.

And yes, Blink was one of the best episodes (written by the same guy who wrote empty child; go figure). I also really liked the first episode to be written by a Torchwood writer, 42, just because it was so energetic and fastpaced.

#29 Nov 19th 2007, 11:38am

JennMel

#30 Nov 19th 2007, 11:39am

Leiathecrazyjeditimetraveler

I think the Master is one of the Doctor's best enemies. Jussayin'

New Who eppy is on December 19th on BBCA. Just so all you know.

#31 Nov 12th, 4:28pm

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