The Legend of the Crown Clown??? - Brightening Shadows, Darkening Light Forum

No but maybe it was what killed the earl the first time around!

#2 Apr 16th 2007, 6:25pm

Some people think so. Well, it's not really legend, but it's theory. This is copied from a forum I go to:

When Earl said that Allen looks like the white clown that follows Auginiste i think he meant this: I found this in wiki.

Joey, the Auguste and the Ringmaster

"In clown duos, Clowns often rely on the Joey & Auguste framework, or Manipulator/Victim. The Joey & Auguste Framework is often used widely in such comic works as Looney Toons. Simply put, the two clowns, who for whatever reason are competing for survival, desperately rely on each other; without each other, they live a meaningless, and perhaps even more perilous adventure. For example, when Sylvester finally catches Tweety Bird (or thinks he does) he becomes so ridden with guilt that he nearly commits suicide.

The Ringmaster relationship is the addition of an ur-manipulator, or ur-victim to this chemistry. This often takes the form of a mutual enemy or nemesis. An example of this situation might be as follows:

This is an example of a ringmaster situation. Clowns in the ringmaster position are often character clowns, where Joey and Auguste duos are typically made up of a Whiteface Clown and an Auguste."

Allen lives for the Akumas and Earl is the only one to provide him akumas.

Well, that's the theory I go by. Some people say crowned clown is based off of some christian legend. But I don't know for sure.

#3 Apr 18th 2007, 8:05pm . Edited Apr 18th 2007, 8:07pm

Congratulations for your research! I honestly believe that you are right. If you think about it, it is a dead cycle: Allen lives to kill Akuma, the Earl provides him with Akuma, but if Allen kills the Earl, the Akuma will dissapear, therefore, Allen has no reason to live. So, if he wants to live, the Earl must live as well.

It's yet another reason of the "gray" color. Bravo.

#4 Apr 19th 2007, 5:53am

omg, someone actually agrees with me! Thanks, Greece!

=^.^=

#5 Apr 19th 2007, 6:04pm

The truth is, I was wondering about that line of the Earl's. I couldn't really understand it, no matter how much I'd try to remember where I had read the Augustine name again, I couldn't. (It was for a project in the University some years ago... Cartoon culture or something. Oh, well...)

So, this theory makes Allen a controversial hero. If he saves the world, it takes away his reason to live. Like if Sylvester(Allen) eats Tweety(the Earl) he has no role, no reason for existance. A tragic hero, even.

#6 Apr 20th 2007, 5:00am

*nodds*

Poor Allen... There doesn't seem to be a way for him to win this... unless he and the Earl reach a draw, and they both die. Grr... why can't he just find a new purpous in life? Or... maybe he will...?

#7 Apr 20th 2007, 4:51pm

cough rinalicough

#8 Apr 20th 2007, 5:43pm

Maybe... but Allen's been so focused on Akuma... I don't think he even knows of the possibility of them two being together. Considering how much he's concentrating on the Earl right now. But maybe later he'll see it.

#9 Apr 20th 2007, 5:55pm

cough rhode cough

#10 Apr 20th 2007, 6:56pm

Not a chance. I bet all the Noahs will die in the end.

#11 Apr 21st 2007, 11:03am

fine

#12 Apr 21st 2007, 12:21pm

AllenxRoad does seem pretty... weird. And yeah, all the Noahs will porbably die when this whole thing is over.

#13 Apr 21st 2007, 1:08pm

why will they all die they're so cool TT-TT

#14 Apr 21st 2007, 3:32pm

Because it seems that's the reason why they were created from the first place, like Rhodo herself said. And notice, they were *created*, not *born*. The Earl created them and he does nothing for a reason to help *himself*. He uses the Noahs as tools, like the Akuma. The "family" IMO, is said sarcastically or ironically. The ultimate of the Noah's for the Earl, will be their death. No hard feelings for him, he's a monster.

#15 Apr 22nd 2007, 1:12am

The Earl's a phsyco, that's all I gotta say. The ultimate ending would be if the Noahs grew some brains and turned on the Earl. The fat old man would get what was coming to him...

#16 Apr 23rd 2007, 4:37pm

he's fat he's dumb I'll bite off his thumb he's evil he's weird I'll pull off his beard he's mean he's nasty he's he's over lived his life capasity

#17 Apr 23rd 2007, 6:58pm

... I don't think he has a beard... but if he did, I'd tug on it like some naughty little kid on Santa's lap... lol.

#18 Apr 24th 2007, 5:51pm

Kakera7

Well... My theory for the end is through rumors so it may skeptical but it's this...

In Japan they have the finest technology and accomplished more than needed,

Thus, they're near perfection.

They have everything.

No farther reason to live for...

They're nearing an end of a dream.

Or so I've heard...

+ there's a lot of train sucides from business man because they feel they're life is worthless.

I think, when I see most RPG/Adventure/fantasy mangas, all various themes and catagory leads to one great theme.

Find A Reason to Live.

The vast adventure jolts our imagination.

It makes us want to live for it.

Find a adventure like in the real world.

Make the dream story true.

Reach for the impossible!

Well... this is a D.Gray-man board but I must comply...

Even Naruto has a theme to "Find A Reason to Live."

Trust me.

Grab any manga and read it, later on this idea will apply one way or the other.

#19 Apr 27th 2007, 1:37pm

Firey-Moonlight

So that's what it means! I looked at it and went 'What?' the first time I saw it. Looking up at wikipedia was fruitless. Good job for finding the answer, and thanks for posting it for the rest of us!

#20 Jun 21st 2007, 6:00pm

The theories we have might not be correct, but it's what we go on. I can never know what is true unless they've already said it... so many twists and turns in DGM! But that's what makes it interesting.

#21 Jun 21st 2007, 9:16pm