clearly you don't forum a lot.

XD

What the hell is that supposed to mean? T-T

Ah, oh.. the spam is good! SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM! Spam and eggs is lovely together!! *nods happily*

Hmm... I don't know Naruto well, but I do know how I can fix my eyes! *grabs Misa and digs her yes out with a spoon* Hah! *puts them in her empty sockets* YAY! I can see your name floating over your hea- oh... *pales and flees*

Spam is a quite enjoyable canned meat. xD (Okay, I dont like it THAT much) Mwuahaha dig eyes out with a spoon @.@

And WOOT 500th post!!! (stupid dance here)

Uhrm... well... heh... yes?

The Spoon of Doom that is.

B-b-b-but I tried to bring this forum back to life! T_T I had to do molester style CPR, too! X_X

Also, absolutely!

I'll ove it right away! *moved* There! Done!

Now let's talk L! L.. uhm... L rocks! He is so awesome there aren't words...

So this forum was made for just oogling over L and testing each other with our vast (or not so) knowlage of him? Good lord, people. But otherwise I'll move. xP

He is indeed the one of the most original character I've seen in a long time. I like the way he eats sugar, it just reminds me of myself... (I took the time to read the rules because I will be very sad indeed if my posts are deleted T_T) Oh, and is the spam forum the off topic thingymabobber? Just... wanting to know.. o-O

I'm depressed because I have a writers block for my next fanfiction, but that's completely off the subject xD

Yay for doing whatever-the-hell-we-feel-like-doing! *ZOOMS TO THAT FORUM IN ATTEMPT TO REVIVE IT O_O*

CLEAR.

[bzzt]

o.o;;

Erm.

Are we alive?

[waits]

On the topic of L, my friend made me Kandi that was decorated with little L's all over it. XD

She doesn't watch Death Note, and has no idea who L is, but she knows that I adore him, and the Kandi makes me happy!

Lol.

I have suddenly become very obsessed with Death Note, though the series is ova, I love it. All my fave characters die though.... except for (SPOILER x3) Light... gawd, I'm glad he died... T_T

So how is everyone doing? ^^

The series is even better when it's over. It leaves more room for crackfics. [cackles madly]

I don't like crack fics that much, at least not the really HxC ones. They just seem a little...stupid...

But I really like Hari-Aisu's fics. That's the type of crack I really enjoy.

HxC ones are very stupid. I agree.

But crackfics with plots are drabbly and lurrvly.

It's vair convenient that Death Note has the best crackfics. How are they the best, you ask? DN crackfics have L in them. He's wonderful in crack plotlines.

(No waii, gaiz~ a segue?!?!)

Wonderful, he's more then wonderful when done in crack!

Or acid. [drools at corner of mouth]

ohhh....you mean like E!!!!!!!!

XD

Whoa ho ho, let's not go there quite yet.

[is surrounded by tokes, a Pineapple Express poster, and bags of suspicious-looking "lawn trimmings"]

Ahem. :D

Y'know, I've been wondering about something...

What do you think L would think of CARROT cake?

I think if it's sweet, he'll eat it. It's not like he avoids strawberry shortcake. Plus, if he wouldn't eat carrot cake, I'm sure Watari could've found some way around it. xD

Ah, L. Your charm is in your enigmatic nature.

L, frankly, is a splendidly made character. I always chuckle whenever I watch the scene where the investigation team first meets him; at first, all you see of him is his mouth and a little of his hair while he's hunched in a dark room. You expect a sinister, reserved detective with a deep, harsh voice and an utterly hardened appearance. You get this hunched over, quirky, sugar-addicted freak who looks like he belongs in his mother's basement somewhere. The anime takes your expectations, obliterates them, and starts building upon the foundation that's left; L becomes a real character, with real feelings and a real personality. The better you get to know his quirks, the more you love him; the closer he gets to solving the case, the more you root for him (even you Kira fans have to admit, deep DEEP down you want L to win). L is one of those rare gems of a character that can arose laughter and tears alike from the same body, one of those diamonds in the ruff of modern television that just makes you want to love him (even you Kira fans who just want to hate him but can't).

What makes L so appealing, so attractive?

Well, one, his looks. As previously stated, he looks like a freak who belongs in his mom's basement. Until you start to get to know him better. He does have his 'cute' moments, the moments where you just want to hug your TV or computer screen, but mostly, he looks like the kid who would get pushed around and bullied a lot at school. Which is maybe why we like him so much. We can relate to that, subconcsiously. We mentally tie in his amazing personality with his looks and our original perceptions of him get skewed as we realize how deep of a character he is. We apply that to the superfacial and bingo, he becomes a lovable, huggable character.

Two, his personality. I mean, come on! Rarely do we find an anime character that has as amazing a personality as L's. Not even the award winning Code Geass's (love that anime, by the way) characters had this kind of charm to them. L is, again, like that eccentric nerd in class who you feel sorry for but just tease and bully like the rest of the crowd. Humans are afraid of rejection.... generally. L is an exception. He is so blatent and truthful when he speaks: when he does have to decieve someone, he almost always tells them afterwards of his deceit and doesn't attempt to make excuses. He just accepts the verbal bashings. Remember the scene when he tests Aizawa (I hope I spelled that guy’s name right)? When Aizawa asks if L was really testing his loyalty, even when Mr. Yagami tries to cover for L, L states the truth and just takes the verbal bashing. When Aizawa states that he hates L, L states that that’s too bad, because he likes Aizawa. Here we see an example of one aspect makes L so different. He values truth over what other peopple think about him. We can also see this in when he calmly explains why he investigated the police force even though he knew that he would become even more unpopular. There are other instances in which he demonstrates this part of his personality in a more humorous light; example, when Misa explains that cake makes you fat, and L says that you don’t gain weight as long as you use your brain, he blatently states what he actually feels about Misa in a humorous way. He also demonstrates his brilliant blatentcy in the scene directly after when he plucks up Misa’s cake and starts chowing down.

And of course, his wit. Ah, L, your dry wit has made me laugh so ** so many a night. L could almost be called a comic relief character; his brilliant quips and blatent sarcasm just tie him together nicely. What really makes it hilarious is that no matter what he says, he has the same dull expression; he’s serious about joking. It just makes you chuckle… at least on the inside.

And the third aspect of him that makes him such a loved character; the fact that you don’t really know a whole lot about him. You don’t know who his parents are, what his life was like as a child. Even during the time during the anime it’s never made clear what his thoughts really are about some of the major characters (Light and Misa, mainly). This leaves room for speculation, for debate, which makes L a very interesting character to talk about in general.

L is perhaps one of the most lovable, controversial, and just utterly interesting characters in the anime (and beyond!) world. He is such an enigma, such a quandry, yet so…. Just so…. L!

Wow. Did I really just type all of that? Lol.

For Author of Scifi's long post, a short reply:

Amen!

Hahaha thanks : P

Tis typical to to write a lot when talking about L.

=D

But I would never bully L, and I can't see him being bullied, either.

His personality is too strong to be dominated by trivial people such as "classroom bullies." He'd stand up for himself, and in doing so he'd become the kid everyone is wary of.

It's one thing for him to take Aizawa's negative opinion of him, because L respects Aizawa. As he said, he likes the man.

But L is also childish, never forget that. (It's my favorite aspect of him) And from that innate childish thinking stems the desire to never be looked down upon, to never lose.

I think that's why people respond so strongly to him.

You hit L and he'll kick you back.

Yes, L looks and (in many ways, but not all) behaves like the type of person who would most likely be bullied in real life. Which makes him cuddly. But, he just happens to be the kind of person who doesn't take ** from anyone. Which makes him badass. So, he's a cuddly baddass, which is a very unique kind of character you don't see much in fiction at all.

A cuddly badass... Nice, haha.

Well... he takes it, but he doesn't get offended by it. That's the thing, he doesn't care what the heck you say about him. Reminds me of me. Haha, yeah... : l

No.

^.^

Mmm, yeah, see what you're saying. He would be bullied for a time, but people would eventually learn that this guy won't take any crap and he'll knock you on your ** if you mess with him (physically anyway), and he doesn't care what you call him, so he'd become an outcast, yeah.

: P I'd never forget that, lol.

But it's not an immature child-likeness (almost an oxymoron but not quite). It's not the kind where he throws fits when (I mean if, and that's a big if) he loses, it's the kind that makes him absolutely determined to do whatever it takes to win (as long as it doesn't violate his idea of justice, in which case he's lost anyway because he was forced to throw away a intergral part of what makes him him: what good is winning if you have to throw yourself away for it?). Which is less childlike and more, well, stubborness, which could be attributed to childlikeness.

Well of course he's not immature. He's a twenty something year old detective. He would've had to grow up at some point.

His childishness is that of stubbornness.

There's a difference between childlike and childishness. The act of being stubborn is childish, not childlike.

After all, L is far from innocent, no matter his Panda like looks.

(I hope that made sense, I'm a little sleep deprived right now...)

Mm... I'm just trying to figure out how L isn't innocent. To my knowledge he didn't commit any crimes... well, wait, he did confine Light without the authority to do it, but that was what Light wanted him to do so...?

Loss of innocence comes from experiences in reality, having to deal with the "evils" of the world.

As a detective L does this on a daily basis.

He may sound innocent proclaiming that "the good guys always win," but beyond that is an understanding that there are corrupt tarnished people in the world. He himself is one of them.

"If you measure good and evil deeds by current laws, I would be responsible for many crimes...I don't play fair, I'm a dishonest cheating human being who hates losing..."

Now if you'd like to talk about yaoi I can give you hundreds of reasons why L isn't innocent....

In that sense, we're all not innocent to some degree, for we all face some sort of atrocity, no matter how small. Someone being cruel to another person (or even animal), lies, basic immorality...

Innocence as in being ignorant of how truly wicked the world is certainly not what I would use to describe L. Innocence as in, say, not doing anything that is against the legal system of the area... I don't know.

"If you measure good and evil deeds by current laws, I would be responsible for many crimes...I don't play fair, I'm a dishonest cheating human being who hates losing..."

Did L say that? I don't recall but it does sound like something he might say.

Heh, if you want to talk about that we should really go to a different forum : P

Humanity isn't innocent at all. That's what I love about being human.

As for legal innocence, absolutely not. L will commit illegal acts in order to win. I have no doubt about that. The magnitude of such however, that I still find myself in debate about.

The quote is from vol. 13. It was said during Near's first and only meeting with L (although L was using his computer screen letter to talk).

I'll meet you on Dead Sexy. XD

Humanity as a whole or humanity as in individual humanity?

Thing is, he never actually committed any illegal acts, so we can't know for sure. I think I said this before, but if he committed illegal acts to win, he'd be losing anyway because he cast aside an integral part of himself; his zeal for justice.

MmK, I haven't read the manga. I don't like mangas very much. O.O

Haha.... seriously? Lol.

Actually, that quote is from chapter 109, the one-shot sequel. You can read it on onemanga for free. I don't consider chapter 109 to be canon, because it contradicts the rest of the manga, just like the prequel "pilot chapter" does.

I think the chapter 109 L is acting out of character. The L who can say cheesy innocent things like "Justice will prevail" and believe them just doesn't seem to fit with the meaner, colder chapter 109 L.

Anything written by the original author falls under Cannon, so I think chapter 109 is apart of the series. It highlights the fact that, although L worked to uphold justice, his case solving was just a hobby of his. It was commented on in vol. 1 that L only solves cases he himself finds interesting.

As for the blunt L of chapter 109, I think it was exactly like him to say something like that, especially to his potential successors. I can't explain why, but to me it just feels like something L would do. And according to the authors, it's something he did do.

It is true that anything written by the original author and/or authorized by the copyright holder is technically canon, but, for example, the live action movies are also canon in that way, and yet their canon contradicts parts of the anime/manga canon. Which is why it is perfectly reasonable for a fan to have an opinion that one thing is canon and the other(s) aren't.

If it helps, you might think of it as a case of parallel canon. Each thing is a canon unto itself, with big areas of overlap, but belonging somewhat to its own fictional universe.

I agree that chapter 109 is a lot closer to canon than the pilot chapter. There are only minor contradictions between chapter 109 and the rest of the manga, but there are huge contradictions between the pilot chapter and the rest of the manga.

So, in that sense, chapter 109 has a much greater right to be considered as part of the manga/anime shared canon than either the live-action movies or the pilot chapter do.

In the end, what a fan considers to be "legitimate" canon or not is all a matter of opinion. After all, most people take "How to Read" as canon too, even though it has some dates in there that contradict the manga. One fan might use those contradictions as evidence that you shouldn't take everything in "How to Read" as canon, while another might simply say those are minor errors that don't subtract from the value of the work, and therefore it is all canon. And, both fans would be right.

Who's to say it's not all canon?

I think anything serialized with the title of "Death Note" is canon, no matter the discrepancies.

It's all part of the Death Note universe, and as such all is of equal importance.

Basically if the authors approved it, it's canon to me.

Yes, what you said is basically the same as what I said. I think you're still misunderstanding it a bit, though. That's why I said it's opinion.

For an example outside of Death Note, think about the Superman franchise. Everything ever produced by it is technically canon: the old superman movies, the new, the comic books, various animated television shows, etc.

However, different lines of this material contain non-compatible elements. In order for a particular fan to reconcile these contradictory elements in their own mind into something that isn't a mess of gibberish, that fan needs to think of these things as either:

1) Separate but equal canons, parallel canons of a sort

2) Some are canon and others aren't.

3) The more well-known and accepted lines of material are canon, and even though the other lines are mostly canon, any pieces of the other canon that deviate too far aren't canon (for example, most people throw out certain events from the timeline of the silver age superman as too goofy - such as him marrying a mermaid and having a merman son).

Remember, canon is a bunch of events, characters and situations that have been authorized by the original creator(s) and can coherently co-exist as a non-contradictory whole in the mind of a fan. In other words, it's an opinion, a mental construct. If the fan thinks the creator(s) allowed something to be produced that doesn't co-exist well with what's been produced so far, that fan totally has the right to decide that the other material is either less canonical or belongs to a slightly different canon than the original material.

Believe me, no matter your opinion on Death Note authorized materials right now, with as much of a cash cow as it is, it will likely produce canon materials in the future that are contradictory enough to the manga/anime that you will start thinking of them as not quite the same as the regular canon. Just wait.

Oh no, I understand you completely. Which is why you'll find a lack of comment on the subject from myself.

I have been aware of everything you just said for the past six years.

I just don't care.

Thank you very much for clarifying.

Hey guys, I'm wondering something: in Death Note 13: How To Read, Mr. Ohba says that L not only has no friends, but he lied about Light being his first friend. He said that L never considered Light as a friend and that he probably secretly thinks really nasty things about him.

Well, if that was a lie, why would L say something like that? Now, I might just be one of those types that feels too deeply, but a statement like that's not something you just throw around, especially if you don't mean it. Unless, of course, old L was hoping to gain something out of saying something Light was his first-ever friend. He does lie to uncover truth, doesn't he?

I seem to have a different take on L than most people, so you might think I've got it all wrong... but I think he's generally full of crap; not because he doesn't know what he's talking about, but because he doesn't want to let on what he really thinks. If anyone knew what was going on inside his head it would make him extremely uncomfortable, so he behaves in a way that people find hard to interpret. The first friend thing seemed tactical to me: for various reasons it wasn't something Light would expect to hear from L, which is exactly why he'd say it (but Light might realise that, too). It may have had nothing to do with the Kira case. I don't remember who else was in the room when he said it, but that could have been part of it also.

I clearly have too much time on my hands...

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