A forum dedicated to a non canon character. Okay, yeah, so I wouldn't normally do this, but I decided that this is a very popular character. So, I have decided to give a ton of leniency in this forum, but PLEASE do not spam. I would like some serious discussions of him, and to start off with a question: Is Beyond Birthday more likely to be compared with or contrast with Kira/Light? Even if Beyond Birthday is minor serial killer due to his need to kill on an even playing field, who is the more worthy challenge? Second note: In the prologue, Mello (non canonical) states that the Death Note is an unfair advantage in the ability to kill people. Assuming this is true, who would win in a sheer contest of wits between BB and Light? Let the discussion begin.

Am I missing something? Excuse me, but who is Beyond Birthday, exactly? Is there something that I'm not aware of? Just so you know, I feel incredibly idiotic right now. Congratulations. XD

Beyond Birthday is a character from a side story of Death Note that is more than likely at your local bookstore at this moment.

It is from the Death Note novel, Death Note: The LABBMurder Cases

Ah. See, I don't have a "local bookstore" in this Kira-forsaken (haha) town, and I don't have money, either. I'm not even kidding you, I don't even have ten dollars, and I can't find a job. (Like I said, horribly pathetic town.) But when I go to visit Wisconsin with the family and I have some money, I can buy it up there. Although I've completely accidentally stumbled upon spoilers since I found out about the book. T.T

*Sigh* Oh well. Now that I know the spoilers I can just pretend I've read it until I really do. XD

I don't think BB and Light can really be compared. They are both serial killers and they both matched wits with L in one form or another at certain times. But the similarities end there.

Light's psychosis was based entirely on a desire to create the 'perfect world.' To rid the earth of criminals and rule over the 'New World' as it's god, Kira. It was vital to Light that he preserve both his own life, and the lives of as many innocents as possible. So as to rule as long as he could and to keep the public's image of Kira from becoming completely negative. He did not think of himself as an average serial killer, and so he did not want to be thought of as such.

B's aspirations were at once far less and far more ambitious than Light's. He wanted to seize hold of his own life, his own identity, which had been stolen from him in favor of L. The only way he could think to do this was to defeat L. And how do you defeat the world's greatest detective? Why, by formulating a crime which he cannot solve, of course. The rest of the world and it's inhabitants were nothing more than tools to B, nothing more than things he could possibly use to achieve his goal. B became so possessed by the idea of defeating L that he was willing to throw everything else away, even his own life, the very thing he was trying to grasp.

Light went forth with his 'mission' as does one with a holy belief, on a crusade of sorts. He worked his murder on the basis of ideals, and of a delusion that he was able to become a god.

B completed his murders knowing exactly what sort of evil he was committing, and fully intending every bit of it. He based his goal on pure hatred of L, a pure desire to be recognized as his own person, not a badly made copy, not a dark and cheap imitation.

In a battle of wits between Light and B (should ever in any way such an opportunity have presented itself) I believe B would have won. He had the knowledge given him by Wammy's in it's attempts to make a new L, and he had the cruel, insane intellect of a criminal with nothing to lose.

Light was clever, lucky, and had access to better resources, true. But truthfully? He wouldn't stand a chance.

Yes B knew that what he was doing wasn't good, but the people he chose would have died regardless of him killing them. To use a cliche; it was just their time.

As for a death note being an unfair advantage, I believe that that is 100% true. To quote the book, the most difficult part of killing someone, would be killing someone. People don't die easily, and to be able to kill someone by just writing their name into a notebook is not natural.

The biggest difference between BB and Light is that B never killed someone that wasn't already going to die, and Light did. B also killed people using his own two hands, he couldn't do anything from a distance. If Light were to get into a fight with B, Light would probably die unless he still had time in his lifespan.

Well you see, B thought that trying to kill a person before their lifespan ran out would be pointless. He believed he would fail. Otherwise he totally would have done it. He killed the people he murdered cruelly, he used them for a personal experiment and mutilated their bodies even after they died. So you can't use that they would have died anyway as an argument for him. He still killed them. And he would have done it even if he hadn't known their lifespans.

Although I seriously doubt that all his victims were fated to die on the days he killed them. I mean think about it, what are the odds that he would find not only a person with an alliterate name using the letters he required who was also going to die on the precise day(s) he calculated for the message he was sending? In the same city even! Nuh-uh, not gonna happen, no matter how you look at it.

Also, what you say about being able to kill someone by just writing their name in the notebook being unnatural is true. But I strongly disagree with the statement in LABB that you just reiterated. Granted I have no personal experience in the area (thank god) but I have to say that if killing someone was hard, it would be because you couldn't override your own conscience enough to do it properly.

We humans are surprisingly, frighteningly, fragile creatures. Slit the right vein, hit the right spot, electrify us, cut off our air, hell even just scare us too thoroughly and we're done. Gone. Game over. Go look up our physiology, there are billions of ways for us to die simply by accident, let alone if someone was trying to kill us. Nah, the hardest part about killing someone would be deciding how to do it. The statement that 'the most difficult part of killing someone, would be killing someone' is a nice quip, clever and symbolic. But it's not true. If you really want to kill someone, it's all too easy. Which is really creepy as hell when you think about it.

Also, there are other ways to 'defeat' a person besides killing them.

As I said: If B and Light were adversaries, Light's a goner.

I have heard of BB and read some of the chapters of LABB, but I did not finish. =( I really want to join this conversation! BB is like, awesome, in my taste.

...This is the part where I admit that I actually hate B, isn't it?

xDD

And yet I say he could totally own Light, whom I actually like a bit.

I like Raito...to a point.

I am horrified of his views. Like, serious. Who cares if he's a genius, he's evil!!!!! PSYCHOPATH. o.O

I like BB because he fascinating. You can't tell what he's thinking.

You're right about finding people with the same initials, time of death, in the same city thing. Statistically that would be impossible. But BB had the shinigami eyes. It's possible that he was walking down the street and randomly saw all three of them and decided his plan from there.

And also, the 'the most difficult thing about killing someone, would be killing some', let's say hypothetically you could turn off your morals and do it without thinking. What I was quoting really in the book is the fact that, while being fragile, humans don't just role over and die; they would fight back. According to the book, there was no sign of struggle; it says 'in this case the victims had all died as if it were only natural for them to have done so'.

In Death Note, humans have a set life span that could only be changed if their lives are interfered with by a shinigami or someone who owns a death note. There is another part in the book (I'm feeling like a big nerd, using so many quotes), where BB attacks Naomi; he says,

"He had never planned to do anything to Naomi Misora today. He had just been making a pass at her, to test her ability. He had attacked her from behind, but not intended to hurt her-- and certainly, he had no intention of killing her. So there was no way she would die. He had known she would dodge."

B says that he didn't attack her to kill her because it would be pointless. If she was not fated to die, then she wouldn't. The reason B really could kill all of them was because at that point they had no time left, therefor no fight left. Yes, people die all the time, even from accidents, so you can argue that you can kill a person without knowing their lifespans; but the real question is: did Beyond Birthday kill those people because they were fated to die, or did those people die because Beyond Birthday was fated to kill them?

And I'm aware of all the amazingly easy ways to kill a person, I've studied medicine a bit and know that all really we need is bad luck to die.

Also, in regards to other ways to defeat people. All Light and BB really did was kill people, so that is what I assumed the contest would be. And you're right that Light would be a goner, if B and Light were adversaries. B's proven that he can plan things out much more intricately than L ever did, Light would easily fall into a trap set by B.

Well in L's defense, he was more into unraveling plans than manufacturing them.

Yes, B would spin Light in a psycho circle.

...I kinda want to see it... it'd be cool. xDDD

But I like Light because he's such a crazy little psycho. Although his good side (when he lost the memory of the Death Note) was cute too, I actually like his craziness. I think it's hysterical.

I dunno... I'm a horrible person. xDD I have a soft spot for crazy villains. ...Which makes me all confused that I don't like B... I just don't like him. He grosses me out.

But I like Light because he's such a crazy little psycho. Although his good side (when he lost the memory of the Death Note) was cute too, I actually like his craziness. I think it's hysterical.

I think people can relate more to the villans than the heros because the heros are usually painted off as perfect people, who can do know wrong. Light being crazy proved that, even with all of his intelligence, his mind couldn't really handle killing all those people.

His craziness is funny in my opinion too, because you usually see him as the calm, logical, smart guy; when he goes crazy it shows that he really is the biggest liar in the world. Imagine trying to bite back that crazy all day.

I like B mostly because he isn't normal. He is the very opposite of normal, and whether he does it to imitate L or if that's his actual personallity, it makes him someone that would be very interesting to study.

B's gross. I am utterly uninterested in him. But everyone else seems to like him so much, and I like talking. xDDD

Weird than how most people like the heroes more than the villains, who are supposedly easier to relate to. I guess most people just want to be perfect and that's why they like good guys. I suppose I just lack morals.

...But that's ok, cuz I'm a big ol' softie. Flash puppy dog eyes at me and I'm putty, so I'm not really a threat to humanity. xDDD

You can blame the lack of morals on society. Apparantly we've become jaded to the horrors of the world.

I'm not a big threat to humanity until I start thinking. I have had some of Light's 'there are some people that the world could do without' thoughts, but I would be more of an annoyance to the world than a threat.

I'm just kinda here, laughing my ** off at people.

Anyone the world could do without... well, I feel bad for the world but humanity's such a pit of foulness that I figure it deserves whatever it breeds.

What makes humanity like that? We truly are the most arrogant, self-destroying species on the planet. Is that just in our nature, or is it a behavior that we have learned over the generations?

I think we're just meant to be a laugh. We must be, otherwise I wouldn't find us so funny.

Well if there is a god, he is either a complete sadist or has a very strange sense of humor.

Or both!

That's what I've always thought!

That's cuz it's obvious. Seriously, I don't get how almost no one else sees it.

Most people would rather make god into a guiding force that is inherently good. Also someone that is all powerful and therefor just in his reasoning. That could also be the reasoning behind the 'God is good, God is great' and the mysterious ways nonsense. (No offense to anyone that is religious, I just don't really buy into that stuff.)

If god exists, he's a kid with an ant-farm.

Don't remember where I heard that, but I think it fits.

That really fits. That or he's like a scientist and we're the lab rats. He just puts little obstacles in our way to see how we react and overcome them.

He's such a jerk.

That's why I prefer to just not believe. It makes the universe seem a little kinder if it's a mistake and not a fabrication by some sicko like that.

I'm agnostic personally. And I don't really believe in coincidences. I think that our choices shape our destinies, not some higher power.

I try not to think about it that much. If I'm asked or somehow get into a conversation I can form opinions, but generally I go through life with a 'Imma just wing it' attitude.

Hey, it's worked out so far. 8D

That's like my answer to when someone asks me if I believe I'm going to heaven or hell. I usually just say 'I'll find out when I get there.'

Oh, I'm going to hell.

I know that. Yep, if there's a hell I'm going to end up there. Not a doubt in my mind. Mind you, I'd prefer not to but... Well, I don't care enough to change my ways obviously.

Well I've always thought that god is too picky. Heaven is the country club and Hell is the club that doesn't check for IDs. Hell lets everyone in, while heaven is selective.

Ya, that's weird huh?

...I never much liked country clubs.

They seem to stuffy to me. And hell's got to have a lot more interesting people there. I bet they have stories to tell.

No kidding. I mean, considering how many great artists, musicians, actors, writers, and other persons of interest either committed suicide or led sinful lives...

Heaven must be pretty creatively challenged.

Only saints can get into Heaven these days. It's too easy to live a sinful life, most people don't even want to try to be good.

Plus the definition of 'sinful' seems to keep changing. xDD

Yeah, most things that were considered a sin years ago are now just overlooked. My favorite was people telling their kids not to listen to Rock'n'Roll because it was the 'devil's music'! XD

OMG xDDDD

I know, it's crazy.

I love it when I do something and someone tells me that I'm going to Hell. It's even better when the person isn't joking. They have that serious face on and they look so concerned, I feel like I laughing at them.

No one's ever told me.

They just sort of... edge away. xDDD

Well the people who have told me that are usually trying to 'save me', or something like that. That's why I usually think it's so funny. XD

Ohhhhhhhhhh!

xDDD

I'm lucky in that it's pretty clear to those people that I'm beyond 'saving.'

Maybe they think you're possessed?

So what is your opinion od B/Raito?

Or Raito/B (though it would never happen).

I think it would be like L/Raito, only more sadistic.

To Lady AnomAli: Why does everyone make a big deal about B mutilating the corpse after its dead? It's dead... might as well be dirt. You might as well get mad at a guy for disturbing rocks and cracking open rocks. Light also experimented with his victims.

They would have to be. It's fiction; doesn't really matter the odds because, well, who is to say what's possible or not in fiction? Shinigami eyes aren't real either. In Death Note, if you are destined to die on a certain day, you will die on that day unless killed by a Death Note. Which B did not have.

Now, my main post: You would certainly contrast the two. What do they have in common? They both kill people. They both have a vendetta against L. Even there, one is personal, the other is just a matter of fact: I don't kill L, I can't do what I need to do. One's main purpose is to defeat Lwhile the other's is to kill him then make a new world. Both believe they're justified in killing: B, they'll die today anyway, I'm bored, hey, I'll do it! Light, THEY ARE BAD PEOPLESES I MUST DESTROY BAD PEOPLESES!

...I love making fun of Light.

Anyway, B would certainly win if it just came down to wits. B took more risk, actually showed himself to Naomi and was never discovered until the very end. Light took less risk and still lost. B made purposeful mistakes and lost, Light's mistakes weren't purposeful, just mistakes, and he lost. Basically, Light made mistakes that he didn't intend to make, he just screwed up, B made mistakes that he accounted for but didn't expect Naomi or L to figure out. Mistakes, yes, but not a simple matter of overlooking something. It was a gamble. He lost it.

They both did lose because they underestimated someone: Light - Near, B - Naomi, so they have that in common...

Anyway, when it comes down to it, B dominates Light.

Actually Light was bored too, he just reacted differently to his boredom than B did. B was more logical about it considering the eyes he possessed.

As for the mutilation of corpses, I must agree with Author of Scifi. It's just a mass of flesh, bone, and useless blood. Honor the memory of the soul if you must, but the body is far less important when it no longer has a personality within it.

Uhhh.... the part about B being bored was sarcasm : l He didn't really do it because he was bored...

He did it to amuse himself, even though he found it rather low on the amusement scale if I recall.

Any experiment is done to learn, to find results, and such envdevours (I find) are done because one seeks results that will amuse them.

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