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Drake DragonsoulTopic: Alien Research A little info I cobbled together about the alien species in my fanifc. Name: Xenomorph Scientific name: Internecivus raptus (murderous thief) Other names: Bug, alien The xenomorph is a large black parasitic animal. The adult form is pure black with occasional shades of color. They are easily recognizable by their elongated heads and skeletal appearance. They have a stinger tipped tail. Their primary offensive weapon however is their tongue which can either knock a victim unconscious with a blow to the head, or at its most lethal punch through the victim’s head. The xenomorph also possess highly corrosive blood. Any xenomorph may morph into a praetorian with the Queen's permission. In the lack of a Queen, or Queen egg, the dominate female drone can morph into a praetorian by itself and then into another Queen. The dominant male will also undergo the change into praetorian and will become the new Queen's mate, if another male praetorian is not already present. Xenomorphs can change from male to female, but most never undergo any such change. For example, there is no record of a male praetorian morphing into a female and becoming Queen. At any time a Queen feels that its life is threatened, it will usually lay a Queen egg. This egg is not produced through the egg sack that the Queen grows when reproducing, but rather inside her body. The Queen facehugger that hatches carries two alien embryos inside it, one a Queen, the other a male drone. This ensures that the new Queen will have an available mate. Queen embryos take longer then drones to hatch from their hosts and the drone will usually guard an implanted animal that holds the Queen. A Queen usually chooses the dominant male praetorian, usually the oldest and strongest, in the hive to mate with her. If there are multiply desirable suitors there will usually be a fight to determine who is stronger. The resulting offspring will share DNA with its xenomorph parents and also the DNA it absorbs from its host. This sometimes motivates the Queen to mate with a male other then its selected mate to pass on certain characteristics that that male might have to the next brood. Such as if the Queen wants several "Runner" drones it will mate with a "Runner" praetorian, or if none is present in the hive, will settle for a drone. All aliens communicate through telepathy. The Queen's large ornate crest houses a very large telepathic emitter and gives her great telepathic and other similar abilities. Some Queens are even able to communicate limitedly with humans. Most drones that grow up outside of a hive develop distinct personalities, but most loner drones go insane because of their lack of a purpose to serve. Such drones are usually killed if encountered by hive drones. Sometimes a praetorian, or “smart” drone will resist being integrated with the hive mind. When this happens the xenomorph in question usually becomes timid and develops a battle lust that may take over. The affected individual usually avoids other xenomorphs. If the xenomorph does not accept the hive mind it will eventually become completely feral and attack other xenomorphs and flee the hive. When this happens the defecting xenomorph may drag several others into insanity with it through the hive link. If there is any other things you would like to know, or something I missed, let me know. | #1 Mar 08th 2007, 7:32am . Edited Mar 11th 2007, 7:58am | |
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Reef-SharkCan you tell us some more of the unique qualities that can be past on through the host to the xeno. |
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Drake DragonsoulSince, there are many host species around, this could take a while. All right, the xenomorphs that are born from humans possess a human like skeletal structure, these drones are somewhat smarter then your average drone, not by much, but a little and very easily adapt individual personalities. Sonar was born from a human. "Runner" aliens are a large caste of drones that come from dogs, or similar animals. Runners lack the back spins and tend to be more feral then human born drones. They are also most often quadrupeds. Komosloth spawned aliens are similar to Runners, but are somewhat larger and stronger and not as fast. Half-Jaw and Chaos were born from Komoslothes. There are rare cases of winged xenomorphs, but more often an avian host will simply pass along something like a hollow bone which makes the xenomorph light and faster, but more vulnerable to broken bones. If a line of xenomorphs continue to use flying hosts, eventually somewhere down the line, the xenomorphs will develop wings and possibly flight. This raises some questions such as if xenomorphs can grow wings what can’t they adapt? Well, xenomorphs have been known to take on amphibious qualities and even grow gills and adapt to a completely water environment. Imperia’s host was a marine animal and as such she has fishlike qualities such as her rudder like tail. Chances are if a xenomorph uses a large amount of telepathic hosts, the xenomorphs own telepathic power will increase. Due to the various possibilities for xenomorph personality and physical characteristics. It is no wonder that there is no established “norm” for a hive. Depending on what host is used throughout the lines, some hives are completely animal-like and do not show much semblance of the xenomorph intelligence while the opposite is also true, where there may be extremely intelligent and be able to lay out battle strategies that are on par with any military commander. But no matter what differences a hive has, they are all still dangerous and their adaptive ability only makes them more so. Hopefully, I’ve answered your question and maybe raised some new ones. |
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Reef-SharkOkay thanks that was very informative, but if they need more marine host how come the ones in Resurection(I hated that film) seemed to be adapted for marine life when thir host were humans and because of Ripley they were more human in nature? |
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Drake DragonsoulI really don't know. Perhaps when they removed the Queen alien from Ripley 8, they had to transplant it into another host to let it develop farther and they picked some random guy's pet goldfish? Or perhaps soemtihng like what happens in Jurasic Park could've happened where the Queen's DNA was not complete and they filled in the holes with fish DNA. |
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Xeno the HedgehogI was under the impression that such words as "alien", "bug", and "Hard meat" were considered derogatory terms and are greatly offensive to Xenomorphs in general, much like the words (note: due to the arguably profane nature of the remainder of this sentence, certain letters have been replaced for the purpose of censorship and no offense is intended toward anybody) "m!dge%", "be@ner", "or!en%@l", "cr@cker" and the N-word are considered derogatory and offensive by some humans.Also, depending on the source, Runners can be described as a normal variation that sometimes occurs between the Chestburster and Drone stages, assuming of course that we are referring to the stage that occurred between the Dogburster/Oxburser and adult forms (remember that the Xenomorph in Alien3 molted twice before its adult form was revealed, unlike those in the previous two films) regarding the Queen, I found the science behind Alien: Resurrection to be largely flawed. First of all, even if they did successfully clone Ripley, there would be no logical reason for the queen to be growing inside the clone, because only one organism's DNA was used in the cloning process. Second, it's highly improbable that enough of the Xenomorph genome would integrate with Ripley's blood to produce the hybrid that is Ripley#8. Third, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that a clone can retain the memories of the original; their genetic make-up may be identical, but they're still two separate organisms. Jurassic park, awesome film though it was, is also largely inaccurate by today's standards. Recent findings suggest that Therapod and Ornithopod dinosaurs had feathers, not the scaly skin of the animals seen in the movie. Velociraptor was much smaller than the raptors portrayed in the film, which are closer to Deinonychus, but lack the creature's trademark thumb claw. And based on their skeletal structure, their fingers extended straight out from their forelimbs, rather than curling down like those of the creatures in the film, which would only be possible if the poor animal's wrists were broken. The DNA extraction technique, which involves extracting blood from a fossilized mosquito encased in amber, is largely impossible, because even if the exoskeleton were perfectly preserved, the micro-organisms and bacteria within the insects body would have caused it to deteriorate from the inside, leaving no intact tissues. | #6 Mar 09th 2007, 11:11am . Edited Mar 09th 2007, 11:17am | |
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Reef-SharkIf Imperia's host was a serpent wouldn't that also let her acquire more serpent like characteristics? |
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Drake DragonsoulIt was a serpent, but it was a marine serpent, one adapted to an aquetic life style. |
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Reef-SharkOkay here another one. If Scar and Snarl used to be human does that mean they look the same as a xeno who had a human host, or is there a slight differance? |
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Drake DragonsoulThere is still some human semblance there, but most of the characteristics for their xenomorph form is from the creature that the genetics technology was stolen from. So, yeah, they have a bit of human DNA, and a bit of the elephant creture's, and some from the xenomorph's parents on which the transformation was based.| #10 Mar 09th 2007, 7:15pm | |
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Reef-Sharkyou mean the Space Jockeys?| #11 Mar 09th 2007, 7:23pm | |
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Drake DragonsoulDarn! Somebody fianlly figured it out! How long have you known? Anyway, yes, the Space Jockies were the elephant creatures. | #12 Mar 09th 2007, 7:32pm | |
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Reef-SharkI don't remember when I learnt it. I just now amazingly I learned it before I even saw the first movie. I probably saw it on an IMDB message board.| #13 Mar 09th 2007, 7:45pm | |
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Reef-SharkScar and Snarl must be huge! You see the size of the whloe in the space jockeys chest? That must have been one big xeno.| #14 Mar 10th 2007, 9:39am | |
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Drake DragonsoulThey are larger then the other xenomorph,(except the praetorians.) but the chestbusters usually stay inside hosts for differing periods of time, such as in the space jocky they were capable of growing larger inside it then they would in the smaller humans, thus when they emerged later they would have a better chance of survival.| #15 Mar 10th 2007, 10:13am | |
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Reef-SharkBesides size what traits do the xenos get from the space jockey?| #16 Mar 10th 2007, 10:58am | |
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Drake DragonsoulTraits similar to what they get from human hosts, high intelligence and individualism. They are also similar looking to human-born drones.| #17 Mar 10th 2007, 11:19am | |
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Reef-SharkIf a drone is about 8ft. tall and the queen is about 15 ft. tall then how tall is a Praetorian?| #18 Mar 10th 2007, 4:21pm | |
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Drake DragonsoulI would go with them about being 11-12 feet tall. Please note, that I have never played any video games that featured a praetorian and I've learned most of my information on them from websites and fanfiction.| #19 Mar 10th 2007, 9:29pm | |
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Reef-SharkSame here, never played one before| #20 Mar 10th 2007, 9:34pm | |
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Xeno the HedgehogRegarding the Space Jockeys, I think it's a misconception that the tubular appendage is a trunk, because there is evidence to suggest that it was once an internal structure, like the sternum or the esophagus.| #21 Mar 11th 2007, 10:26am | |
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Reef-SharkAbout Xeno's comment about insulting terms, technically before ALIENS came out xenomorph could refer to any organism that wasn't native to our planet. Alien could refer to anything that isn't native to a location, while xenomorph is more strictly used for things that aren't native to the planet. James Cameron didn't know all the fans would come to embrace it as an official name for the species.| #22 Mar 11th 2007, 2:28pm | |
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Drake DragonsoulIt could also be an air hose or something similar.| #23 Mar 11th 2007, 3:00pm | |
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Xeno the HedgehogReef-Shark, I hadn't thought of that when I posted that comment. I was watching a new episode of South Park at the time.As for the Space Jockeys, Whatever the tube is, it is almost certainly an internal part of the anatomy. Perhaps it was surgically implanted, but it's internal nonetheless. | #24 Mar 11th 2007, 8:43pm | |
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Reef-SharkThe reason in the movie they state it could refer to anything because when Gorman says "A xenomorph may be involved" it means an unknown life form, when Hudson replies "It's a bug hunt," it means the marines have dealed with alien life forms before just not this species, thats also probably the reason why the marines were so confident that they could handle it.| #25 Mar 12th 2007, 5:28am | |
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Xeno the HedgehogAre you implying that these marines fought the giant insects in Starship Troopers?| #26 Mar 12th 2007, 8:28am | |
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Reef-SharkWell James Cameron was slightly inspired by Starship Troopers the book so it could have been a homage, but bug is probably more of a slang term that the marines use for alien life.| #27 Mar 12th 2007, 8:31am | |
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Drake DragonsoulI don't think the marines would be that confident if they had faced the bugs in Starship Troopers. :)| #28 Mar 12th 2007, 8:57am | |
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Reef-SharkI agree. They would not have been confident if they had fought those bugs. Bugs I'm referring to are primitives that the marines easily overcame with their technology.| #29 Mar 12th 2007, 9:37am | |
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Xeno the HedgehogAssuming, for the sake of argument, that they were the same marines from Starship troopers, isn't there some chance that they would have an overconfident we-took-out-those-bugs-and-we-can-take-out-these attitude?| #30 Mar 12th 2007, 11:13am | |
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Reef-SharkWell for the sake of arguement if the xenomorphs from the alien series and the bugs from starship troopers existed in the same universe I'm guessing if the marines had beaten the bugs they would be confident about their abilities to combat any other species. The xenos are probablythe more advanced species, but the bugs from ST weren't exactly push overs.| #31 Mar 12th 2007, 11:45am | |
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Xeno the HedgehogExactly. Because they defeated such a tough opponent in the past, they would assume that nothing else could stand against them, only to realize their mistake when they actually defeat the Xenomorphs.You know, until now I never realized how enjoyable an argument could be; whenever my father starts an argument (several times a day) he goes off on a twenty minute rant, refusing to allow his opponent to explain their own opinions, insisting that he's right and anybody who disagrees with him is wrong and/or stupid. It's nice to have an argument with somebody who doesn't resort to insults and suppression to get their point across. | #32 Mar 12th 2007, 11:58am | |
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Reef-SharkI agree that they would be confident after that, but I think after they saw the facility they might of decided not to take their chances, just in case their new enemy was nearly as formidable as the bugs. The marines in ALIENS had definatly never fought a alien species that could compare with the xenos, or the bugs for that matter. I think if they had fought the bugs from ST they would have started to be a bit more careful when they saw the damage, but since the ones in ALIENS had obviously never fought against a serious alien threat they probably just thought they colonist had made sloppy mistakes, or in Hudsons words "ME and my squad of ultimate bad asses," obiviously showed they had never really handled a true threat. I think that mainly shows when earlier he said it's just another bug hunt it shows that he was just trying to make Ripley look small. He was technically saying "Yeah, we've handled things like this before and we always win, your crew was just weak."This is one of the nicer arguements I've gotten into aswell. Down at IMDB everthing turns into a flame war between on guy and like 50 people who disagree with him. | #33 Mar 12th 2007, 4:12pm | |
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Xeno the Hedgehogperhaps we should continue our simultaneous conversations in a separate thread, since we're already deviating from the original topic.| #34 Mar 12th 2007, 4:33pm | |
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Reef-SharkOkayI have a question for Drake Dragonsoul. What's your opinion on the cocooning scene that was cut out from ALIEN cause it gives a totaly different veiw of their life cycle? | #35 Mar 12th 2007, 4:37pm | |
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Drake DragonsoulYeah, maybe we should. I never really liked Hudson, his whining "we're all dead" attitude annoyed me. Anyway, getting back to the original topic. Here's a little info on what happens when a predator gets infected with a facehugger. Ocasionally, a predator has been infected with a facehugger and been unable to initiate its self-destruct weapon before the new xenomorph was born. The resulting alien possess mandibles similar to the predators, but most of its other features do not differ too much from standard xenomorph biology. The predalien is larger then human borne drones and also more violent. They also have a penchant for indivduality and intelligence like human drones. | #36 Mar 12th 2007, 4:45pm | |
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Xeno the HedgehogWas Hudson the one who uttered the now-famous line "That's it man! Game over, man! Game OVER!"and which was the one who asked Vasquez if she had ever been mistaken for a man (and subsequently was asked the same question)? | #37 Mar 12th 2007, 5:21pm | |
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Reef-SharkI think that was also Hudson.| #38 Mar 12th 2007, 5:36pm | |
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Reef-SharkIf they had a host that could regenerate, like a bug, or lizard would the xeno also have that ability?| #39 Mar 13th 2007, 9:27am | |
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Xeno the HedgehogIf you think about it, isn't the process of healing a minor wound a form of regeneration? or were you referring to something more extreme, like limbs, eyes, or heads?| #40 Mar 13th 2007, 9:45am | |
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Reef-SharkYeah, I'm refering to limbs.| #41 Mar 13th 2007, 9:59am | |
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Drake DragonsoulWell, first I'll address the cocooning scene question. According to wikipedia, in one of the previous ideas for Alien 3 they had this idea where they would bring back that whole cocooning thing and that the cocoon was supposed to encase the human in an egg and then the human would mutate into a full grown alien. If I'm planning to give my xenos a similar ability, well, let's just this idea has got the wheels in my head turning. :) Regenerating limbs? Well, if a certain line of xenomorphs continued to use hosts with those characteristics, they would evantually be able to develop them permanently. | #42 Mar 14th 2007, 7:45am | |
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Reef-SharkThat idea make the wheels in my head spin too fast. It hurts my head thinking about it because of how complicated it is. I hope you incorperate that because I've been hoping someone woud.What do you think the xeno resulting from this "metamorposis" would be like? Would it be different from othes, would it be the same, or would it be like Scar and Snarl? | #43 Mar 14th 2007, 11:25am | |
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Drake DragonsoulI think it would be a precious mixture of the three. It would have a distinct personality and perhaps retain some of the memories from its original life, but probably not much. The aliens probably wouldn't use this ability unless necessary, because the new drone might retain alot of its old memories and could thus be a threat. More then likely it will be loyal though.| #44 Mar 14th 2007, 5:23pm | |
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Reef-SharkDo you have a theory on how this process works? Because I've been looking on the IMDB message boards for months trying to get a precise answer, but all they do is say what I already know and that's that he was being turned into a egg. I could tell that just by watching the scene (I've done that many times at this point). I just want to learn a theory on how the process works, so if you have your own theory please tell me.| #45 Mar 14th 2007, 5:28pm | |
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Drake DragonsoulWell, I guess the alien injects something similar to the Devil's Light into the host's system. An egg develops around the human and then the human begins mutating. I guess the mutation wouldn't take long, if the aliens' normal growth speed is anything to go by. I'm also guessing that maybe the host will retain some of its own DNA, like if it were a predator, it would become a predalien. Also the DNA from the xenomorph that began the mutating thing would also become a part of the new xeno. | #46 Mar 14th 2007, 5:59pm | |
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Reef-SharkSo if it was changed to transforming people then was the xeno doing the same thing to Dallas?In the original movie they wanted the xeno to have a life span of 24 hr., but then Cameron changed it. Since ALIENS is cannon there has to be an alternative to why at the end of the first movie it seemed so much weaker. What else could it have been doing when it was in the escape pod? (My friend think it was just checking out Ripley) | #47 Mar 14th 2007, 6:07pm | |
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Xeno the Hedgehogcan the cocooning process be initiated by any Xenomorph? or only specific ones?| #48 Mar 14th 2007, 6:25pm | |
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Reef-SharkIt looked like a normal alien to me.| #49 Mar 14th 2007, 6:36pm | |
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Xeno the HedgehogDefine "normal"| #50 Mar 14th 2007, 6:37pm | |
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