But now Square has jumped onto the Greek mythology bandwagon in DC.

There. Enough preamble.

Vincent is the master of Cerberus, what with his gun being Cerberus, right? And who, in Greek myth, is Cerberus's master?

Hades.

Therefore, Vincent = Hades.

Now, there are theories that Gackt's character is Orpheus, because who else would be more fitting?

Now, here's an idea.

If Vincent is Hades (and Project G is possibly Orpheus)then...

Who is Persephone?

And no, it can't be Lucrecia, because she is 'unattainable'. Also, she doesn't have the brightness that you need to be Persephone.

Obviously, I'm thinking of Yuffie.

Of course, if Yuffie = Persephone, then who is Demeter? And what about Zeus?

^_^; I was able to follow it, pretty much, except with Persophone, I hadn't heard her name before...

O.o; Of course, all I've ever heard was my father telling me stories about it...

...I s'pose you could consider Shalau and Rosso to be Persephone. Shalau = nice one where flowers grow and we go hippie-trippie, and Rosso = psychobabble one where things die and die and stop their bodily functions and die and stuff like that.

But enough 'bout that. Even IF Yuffie were symbolic of Persephone, from what Shinsetsu said, it'd make Yuffentine either impossible or perverse to the mass majority of people. Unless, of course, if Vincent = Hades (which would actually make some sort of sense, since there's the whole Cerberus thing plus his past as self-proclaimed grim reaper), and Godo = Demeter. If that were the case, it'd just make the story more complicated than it has to be.

...anyway, enough of mindless babble.

i familiar wit some greek mythology but not all like i heard da name persophone before but i didnt kno about dat hol

seed thang

Persephone split her time between the Overworld and the Underworld because both places needed her. The Overworld was barren when she was gone (this could represent the feelings of the people of Wutai very well) and Hades was crueler when she was away.

Actually, in the version that is in my new mythology book, the one who tricked Persephone was Ascalaphus, one of the gardeners who worked for Hades.

Even Hades hadn't known about it.

I actually want somebody OTHER than Wutai/Godo to be Demeter. It makes sense, yes, but it makes too MUCH sense. It's too predictable. Square loves to confuse people, to twist things. To do stuff you never expected it to do (or, well, WOULDN'T have, if some stupid dude on Forum Number 573658673084856602759127496873 hadn't spoiled it).

And if Wutai isn't Demeter than what is? What else is there that could possibly fill that role, if any of this is in anyway true?

it wasn't even a pairing, nitwit. and it surely wasn't a 'hell pairing'

However, in the phrase 'whatever the hell pairing', 'hell' modifies 'whatever', not 'pairing', rather like 'what the hell'. He was saying he couldn't figure out the pairing, not saying the pairing was hell.

But otherwise, word. And thanks.

Once upon a time there was a beautiful goddess named Demeter. Her powers was over all things flower, fruit and harvest and was much celebrated among the Olympian Gods. Well, turns out that the poster-child of infidelity also saw her as wonderful and thus, Zeus and Demeter had a daughter named Persephone.

Persephone was a flighty child, preferring to play in the fields and pick her mother's flowers together with her nymph-friends. It just so happens that she had a beauty that rivaled Aphrodite, Psyche, Eurydice and Helen at the same time. Many suitors wanted her, but innocent that she was (perhaps she was born a Virgo), she had no interest in sex. (There are rumours that her own father lusted after her, but if we take into consideration who he is, that's not a surprise.)

Well Hades had decided that when the world was split up between the three brother (Poseidon-Sea, Zeus-Sky, Hades-Underworld), he had definitely drawn the shortest straw. I mean, even if all babes died at some point he could always be sure that some hero would come and bring her back to life. Thus he was a very cranky bachelor and that didn't sit well with the rest of the Death Council (Charon was reported have gone on a strike until Cerberus the three headed hellhound was ordered to use him as a chewtoy).

Anyway Hades got to know about this radiant beauty that just so happened to pick flowers outside his doorstep that he decided that he was waaay overdue to marry. (The other Chtonians heartily agreed.) So he readied his most handsome carriage and hellhorses and abducted her into the underworld. (Helios the sun god saw this, but as he might've been one of Perse's scorned suitors he didn't do anything.)

Anyway Demeter being the good mother threw a fit when she couldn't find her daughter. She turned Perse's nymphs into harpies, sirens or raindrops (depends on who you ask), turned the eternal summer to a fruitless winter and burned babies. Well she was tipped off that Hades had something to do with this and demanded her daughter back. After some quick talking from Hermes it was agreed that Perse would come back if she hadn't eaten anything. Unfortunately the gardener/Hades tricked her or she was just hungry, anyway she ate six pomegranate seeds (And aquired a new name: Kore). After much dispute and both Demeter and Hades threatening to kill everyone it was settled that for six months each year, Perse would act as Queen of the Chtonians, while the other six months she would spend with mama Demeter.

Great, everyone is happy, Persephone got to be the goddess of spring, death and maidenhood... Hey wait, didn't pretty-boy Adonis spend more time in Perse's bed than Hades did? Anyway, everyone except Hades maybe.

*Takes off glasses*

Anyway, my guess is:

Cloud-Zeus

Aeris-Demeter

Tifa-Hera

Yuffie-Persephone

Vincent-Hades

Chtonians-Turks

I would recommend reading a full account of "The Rape of Persephone" (For Ancient Greeks, rape=abduction. There is a painting called "The Rape of Psyche" when it really is Eros/Hermes whisking her off to her wedding.) and a lot of imagination.

Rec' Sites:

http://www.loggia.com/myth/hades.html

http://www.loggia.com/myth/persephone.html

http://messagenet.com/myths/bios/hades.html

http://messagenet.com/myths/bios/persephone.html

http://forsaken-faith.org/taken/

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Hades.html

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Demeter.html

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Persephone.html

Hopefully this'll help clear up any confusion.

It's a comparison, not an identical line up. ^_^

Though, I as well would like to know more about Yuff's mom. I mean, we don't know for sure whether the woman is alive or not!

On the other hand, knowing stuff about Yuffie's mom means that Cho would become obsolete, and Cho is an awesome character...

But such is the peril of fic, eh?

But the potential was there.

Anyway, how do you think that could be adapted to a story? How would one adapt the very foundation of the story--the kidnapping--to the fandom?

XD Silly me. At first I thought you was talking about Dirge, I is a intellectical purson!

Hmm... Well, the thing is, we've all more or less decided that Yuffie is Persephone and Vincent is Hades, the other characters are so and so and so on and so forth. It would be extremely challenging to make it canon, because they're both good guys. Vincent definitely wouldn't do anything like Hades did - it would work, maybe, in an AU story, but it would have to be very well written.

In the canon universe, though? Not really sure... hmm, well, wait. It wasn't really clear in Dirge whether Chaos died after seperated from Vinnie-boy. So, perhaps, it could be Chaos kidnapping Yuffie, and Vincent attempting to get her back. Which, in that case, would just be a one-time thing. Not six months every year... or, it could be a reverse kidnapping! Chaos already has Yuffie, so Vincent takes her back (playing the part of Hades), but Chaos somehow strikes a deal with him on the every six months thing...?

I'm sorry I can't come up with much and what I do isn't very sensible. My mind really isn't functioning correctly. But if anyone wants to expand on these lame-o ideas to make them better, that'd be great. :D

(Ohh, hey, try putting it in Kingdom Hearts-verse. That changes things up a bit, yes?)

Okay, but woah. If Vincent were the one trying to get Yuffie back from (Hades) Chaos, wouldn't that make him... Demetor? Which is wrong on so so so many levels.

*jump right in almost a year after the fact*

And I agree witht he fact that Vincent would never intentionally do anything to harm Yuffie, such as kidnapping, of his own accord, but he does have three other demons kicking around in his skull, even if Chaos shrivled up and died due to lack of a host. Plus, what would be wrong with making Vincent a bit of an anti-hero? This is all post DoC we're talking about here-- a land of unknowns. As far as I'm concerned, in this realm there is very little that can or cannot be considered canon. What if Vincent was somehow effected either physcologically or severely emotionally by something surrounding the battle with Omega? Maybe that little smile he gave Shelke was really sinister rather than pleasant. Wouldn't it work to his favor is he assured the people closest to him (and those potentially standing in his way of acquiring his prize) that he was fine and dandy, and that they no longer needed to keep two and a half eyes on him?

Now my imagination is off running in wild circles, so I'll stop, but like I said earlier. At this point in the game, us fanfiction writers have free ranger, as long as it's potentially plausable and the characters maintain their characteristics or there is a good reason for those characteristics to change.

There's actually a lot of leeway to adapt the myth.

Example: Yuffie needs to take the throne of Wutai in six months (exactly) on some Leviathan/Da Chao festival. Rivalling candidates to the throne sends out assassins and Vincent hears about it. Vincent and Yuffie stage a kidnapping in order to throw off the assassins, but the antagonists gets to Avalanche first and somehow manages to convince them that Vincent has really kidnapped Yuffie (probably as a mercenary). Avalanche sets out to save Yuffie. Then the next problem is that there's always one of the assassins around Avalanche to "help" them (really, just to kill Yuffie once Avalanche "rescued" her), and Yuffie and Vincent can't explain themselves without giving up the cover.

Fortunately, Rufus rather wants Yuffie as a ruler ('cause she is more likely to cooperate with the rest of the planet than the others. The others wants to restart the Wutai War to get independence from Shin-Ra) and sends the Turks to help Vincent and Yuffie.

The story continues from there...

Example #2: Chaos still is within Vincent (lets face it, if Vincent's body was decaying without Chaos, then there's a very real possibility that Vincent wont be able to live without Chaos), but dormant because Omega is dormant. Perhaps Lucrecia/Shelke/Whomever told Vincent that Chaos was gone because they knew that he wouldn't live knowing that Chaos is within him.

Then Vincent has an accident and knocks himself out into a coma and out of self-preservation (perhaps the antagonists of the story did this) Chaos takes over Vincent's body. Now Chaos-Vincent learns that Wutai is the key to the current affairs and so Chaos decides to use Yuffie. Then many other things happen (Perhaps Chaos can only control Vincent's body for half a day instead of half a year? Maybe there's underground tunnels under Da Chao, an underground city/country? Maybe the pagoda is Olympus and as someone who have ascended it is special? "All Creation"? Maybe Yuffie is eligible of being the vessel of Cosmos [to use Dissidia mythology]? Maybe they'll meet Minerva? Genesis? The Lifestream and the people within it such as Yuffie's mother, Aerith, Sephiroth?).

Ooooh! plot-bunny! *runs after it*

Anyway, my point is that there's many ways to adapt the myth to a story-line without making Vincent evil. After all, it doesn't have to be a word for word adaptation.

A quick and simple retelling of The Abduction of Persephone :

Ok. So the story begins with beautiful Persephone picking flowers. She was surrounded by other maidens who were likewise picking flowers. The maidens were the Oceanids, Athena and Artemis. But despite her beautiful and sweet and all those other saccharine-sounding companions, she managed to wander off away from them. I mean, after all, there's only so much time you can spend with a bunch of seriously sugar-y girls. So off she goes. It didn't SEEM like anything was wrong. The sun was shining bright and the flowers were blooming perfectly. But clearly we aren't looking in the right place for a catalyst to an abdution. I'll clue you in: it was among the flowers. Yeah, there were violets and roses and crocuses and lots of other things that never actually bloom at the same time, but there were also narcissus. And as you may remember from other greek (or Roman) tales, the narcissus is not a happy flower. Nope nope nope. So there she is, and as she leans over to pick the narcissus, the earth opens and Hades, the Lord of the Underworld jumps out. Okay. Let's take a moment out and understand WHY King Dead is popping up like a daisy, no pun intended. See, it all started because Persephone was the daughter of Demeter and Zeus. Hades had fallen in love with his niece, Persephone, which is pretty sick if you think about it but then again, incest seems to run in the family of Gods since Demeter and Zeus were brother and sister, and went to Zeus asking for permission to could marry our dainty little heroine. But Zeus doesn't want a seriously pissy Demeter on his case by saying yes, but he also doesn't want to displease his brother. So he answers that he can't give permission for him to marry her, but he can't stop him. Anyway. So there's Hades thinking, "Ah, yes, a lovely opportunity to take my beautiful wife to her new kingdom," and there's pretty little Persephone thinking, "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" So she gets taken down to the Underworld and Hades shows her the sights and stuff - but little Persephone isn't too thrilled. It's really sucking to be her at this point, I mean, let's review who she is. She is, essentially, the personification of girlhood. She's all happy and flower-y and she's the daughter of a freakin' NATURE FERTILITY Goddess! So how much would it suck to win the position of Queen of the Dead - the total antithesis of everything she represented as a girl. No longer would she rejoice in flower chains - except for the ghostly gray asphodel that covers the meadows of the Underworld - nope, now she gets to wear metal on her head and sit in a shadow world - that is, without Sun - and her only sweet and beautiful companions are dead. Poor kid. Was it any surprise that she wasn't too keen on the idea at first? All she wanted to do was go home. She moped around and didn't eat and didn't sleep and didn't do much of anything. Did I say didn't eat? Well . . . not much anyway. See, there was this one guy: this annoying little punk named Ascalaphus got her to eat a seed or three of a pomegranate, which is known as the food of the dead or fertility, depending on the translation. She wasn't thinking about it, just sort of stuck 'em in her mouth. But that was enough. Because when Demeter finally found her, Ascalaphus tattled about the food to Hades. Now, this may not seem like a big deal - but it had a meaning. It meant that she had to stay in the Underworld, because she tied herself to it by partaking of the food. So she has to spend 3 months a year in the Underworld, those months are November, December and January. Because of this, her mom, Demeter, gets all moapy and turns the world into a barron ice land, also known as winter. The moral of this story: Don't take candy from strangers.

Yeh that's one of the MANY versions. But I personally think that although Persephone (Or Kore as she was known before she was abducted, 'Kore' meaning 'girl') didn't want to stay in the Underworld originally, she did grow to love Hades, since I mean, if your a god or demi-god, you wouldn't ever really get to see the underworld, would you? So it's something new. Plus there was this nymph or fairy or something called 'Minte' who Hades was having an affair with and Persephone got all pissy and in a jealous rage, turn dear little Minte into a plant, which we now call, you guessed it, Mint.

Personally, although I don't see it completely, I love the idea of Yuffietine (my fave FFVII pairing) being connected to The Abduction of Persephone (My fave Greek myth) :D

Actually, I kind of want to turn this the other way and make Vincent Persephone. That might be weird, but it kind of makes sense to me. Cerberus, I think, is almost more of a guardian for him than something he actually controls (his link to his darker past), and his past (Lucrecia, Hojo, Chaos, etc.,) are Hades, where he half belongs. The other half of him struggles to belong with AVALANCHE, and Yuffie's persistence in DoC and sureness that Vincent is her friend, reminds me more of Demeter than any other suggestions I've seen here so far. It's just that Vincent is the most split in two character in FFVII/DoC, and he's spent roughly half of his life in a coffin (which seems like too much of a coincidence for me, if we want to carry the Greek mythology thing through), so this kind of fits.

Thought I'd add my two cents after the fact, since I find this topic intriguing.

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