Personally, I like Yuffentine becuase they compliment each other so well... Alot of people think that I just like it becuase it's a completely off-the-subject coupling, but really, think about it. Vincent is like a plain(but very hot) cracker, or piece of bread. He's OKAY, but he needs... SOMTHING. Yuffie, however, is like a zesty sauce, or in the bread case, the peanut butter and strawberry jelly. She's AWESOME, but on her own, a little bit... meh.

Put them together, however, and it just... clicks.

they dont work together at first but then you sell five hundred units ina minute and wonder who would buy this like you said it just cliks i hope you understand my weird explanation

thats jus my 2 cents

I think Yuffie's too young to understand him. That's not to say I don't enjoy Yuffentines, because apart from the cute pairing name, some authors are so talented they'll make anything work. And I can see this pairing happening in a well-written story.

And, dare I admit it...? Well, I support Aurriku. I just can't help but like Auron and together with Rikku he can just be so damn witty. What can I say? I'm a sucker for good repartee.

Oh, the hypocrisy! ^_^

Being a Yuffentine Author I feel I shld add to this thread =x

Anyways I was drawn to this pairing coz of the various possibilties of it and not to mention the Opposites Theory.. I'm Juz tt kind person ^^

I'm goin off the point here but.. I love it coz we actually dunno how Yuffie was at first.. she maybe a insensitive brat in the eyes of others due to the Materia Swipe at Wutai but that was for her beloved Wutai.

If Yuffie was to channel ALL tt energy into a person she likes it would be like.. =O Awesome!! And Vincent just might be the 1 she might choose coz.. well.. he's the handsomest dude I've ever seen!! =D and she kinda feel sorry for him when you haf Yuffie when u wake Vincent up.. and tt feeling might turn to love! WHy not? We'll see when FFVII: DC comes out shall we?? =D

Not really perfect, but it's just the cutest thing. ^-^ It's very difficult to explain.

They don't go together at all for me. I just don't see it. And no matter how many times I've played the game or read Yuffentines, I still don't get it. Can someone please explain to me, without using the opposites attract excuse, why they think Vincent and Yuffie make sense. Because if that's all you got, then I refuse to acknowledge this pairing anymore. Opposites attract only goes so far. You still have to have some common ground to bind yourself to someone.

There's no basis for it in the game, unless you count the part where he says she looks familiar (if you have him before you get Yuffie). Familiarity is nothing. There's a lot of people that look familiar to me, that doesn't mean I'm going to fall in love with them. Also not once during gameplay did Vincent so much as tolerate Yuffie. In fact he found her act of stealing their materia despicable.

It's something that seems just so, so weird, but once you look at it, it just seems to draw you in

Uh sorry that's a negative. I've read some Yuffentines (quite a bit of them...both the bad and the very few good) and it has never drawn me in. In fact, most of the time I had to hit the back button just to get the gross feeling out of my head. She's sixteen! I don't know about you but pedophilia just doesn't do it for me. How can you justify making Vincent such a nasty title? Oh maybe that's what it is. The jailbait thing.

Eh whatever, enjoy your Yuffentines folks. And have fun playing Dirge when it comes out!

Here's why: different as Vincent and Yuffie seem... They really aren't.

They're 'two sides of the same coin', to use a horrible cliche.

Let's take a closer look, shall we?

Vincent has a horrible past. And I'm not talking about the entire Vincet/Lucrecia/Hojo thing. That comes later.

I'm talking about VINCENT'S past, what VINCENT did: horrible things. I don't care how much you like Vincent Valentine, he was a Turk. And Turks are, basically, required to be vicious sociopaths in order to get PAID. Other people don't matter: the only thing that matters to a Turk is whether or not he completes his mission, and (possibly) whether or not the other members of his 'team' come out alive.

So there we have Vincent Valentine. He was a Turk. He killed and hurt people for money. Maybe he didn't enjoy it. Maybe he did. Maybe it didn't make him feel anything at all.

It was still morally despicable.

Yuffie has an ALMOST equally bad past. Her mother is dead or gone. Her father gives every appearance of being senile. Yuffie has seen her beloved country[1] go from being proud and strong and beautiful to being a tourist trap, a dinky little private spa for the people who subjugated it. Not only that, but she has somehow convinced herself that materia will restore her home, and promptly sets about stealing it.

A lot of people complain about her theft of AVALANCHE's Materia. Selective memory, much? Because here's a little hint: the first time you encounter Yuffie, she tries to beat you up. If you don't answer all of her questions exactly right, she'll run away--- and steal your money[2]. You shouldn't have expected her to reform.

Not only that, but a lot of the people who complain about Yuffie stealing their Materia fail to see why this would be a big deal within the world of the game. For the player, it is mildly annoying. Perhaps it cripples the party. However, if Yuffie were to steal the Materia of somebody other than AVALANCHE, the consequences could be devastating: Materia, like weapons and armour, is necessary to survival.

Stealing something that could well be what stands between somebody and a gruesome death is not a moral act. It is, in fact, tantamount to murder. So if you're going to get mad at Yuffie for stealing your Materia, you might as well get mad at her for more than inconveniencing you.

There, we have our first two similarities:

1. Yuffie and Vincent both had bad pasts.

2. Yuffie and Vincent both have done morally reprehensible things.

Next, Yuffie and Vincent both need people.

Yuffie seems to pride herself on not needing anybody, and Vincent seems to pride himself on what he can do on his own.

But I'm not talking about what you can accomplish, or what you can DO by yourself.

I'm talking about what kind of person you can BE.

Let's face it: Yuffie's bad at socializing. She's obnoxious, bratty, selfish, impulsive, and short-sighted. Given her martial skills and ability to care for herself all alone in a FOREST, as well as her ability to steal, she has obviously not had a normal childhood. It is highly unlikely, given how she behaves at sixteen, that she learned to socialize in the same way most people do.

There are two ways for Yuffie to improve her social skills: counselling, and socializing more.

Counselling obviously isn't going to happen in the course of the game, and probably not afterwards. That leaves socializing more.

Slight problem: because Yuffie is obnoxious, bratty, and selfish (not to mention hyper), nobody would want to be around her. The problem keeps feeding itself.

The one thing Yuffie needs is for people to be around her.

Guess what she's not getting?

And what about Vincent, hm? Vincent hates himself. He LOATHES himself. As I've mentioned above, he has his reasons.

He thinks he's a monster. What he needs, then, is for somebody he can trust to be honest and sincere, to believe that he is NOT a monster, and to tell him so. Even then, he's going to be hard pressed to not think they're mistaken. He's going to push them away.

He needs somebody he CANNOT push away to believe in him. To love him. To help him learn to love (or at least tolerate) himself.

Vincent is afraid to try for forgiveness--- in ADVENT CHILDREN, he says that he hasn't tried.

But there's a problem. Vincent is creepy. Quiet. Pragmatic. Withdrawn. He's the type you would avoid due to his depressing past, creepy looks and tendency towards silence. AVALANCHE members[3] are going to avoid him just as much as they avoid Yuffie.

They both need people desperately. And people push both of them away.

Now, let's examine the Jenova Project. Vincent fell in love (I'm not going to question its depth, because we really didn't get a very good look at it) with young Lucrecia Crescent[4]. Lucrecia was NOT in love with Vincent--- she and Hojo were apparently married[5].

Vincent loved Lucrecia so much, blamed himself so much for her death, that he got himself killed. And then allowed himself to sleep in a coffin for thirty years. He literally *could not think of anything else to do*. Without her, he was apparently emotionally *lost*.

Look at Yuffie. She loved Wutai so much that she was willing to bleed for it, to die for it, to steal for it. She was willing to go out into the wilderness and commit a crime that is only a few steps short of murder... for her tiny little town.

Even when she rejoined AVALANCHE and fought to save the world, she wasn't fighting for the WORLD. She was fighting, going up against the craziest, most powerful man who'd ever lived, risking her life and limbs, not for the world in general. Not for people she'd never met in Mideel or Cosmo Canyon.

She was doing it for Wutai.

Now, sit back and imagine what the kind of love she felt for Wutai could mean to Vincent. If she loved Vincent even HALF that much, felt even HALF that kind of confidence in him, Vincent might just start to see that maybe... Maybe he's not a monster.

They aren't opposites.

They're complements. And that's something totally different. Where Vincent is quiet, Yuffie is loud. Where Vincent values sacrifice, Yuffie embodies 'love first thine self, that thou may love others'--- she looks out for number one first, and then deals with others.

But Vincent can be friendly, he CAN joke, and Yuffie understands and values self-sacrifice (see everything I just said about Wutai). She DOES care: she cried when Aeris died. She actually had a hysterical breakdown.

By being with Yuffie, Vincent can learn to smile. To be less serious. And by being with Vincent, Yuffie can learn that there are times to laugh and times to be silent. She can learn to listen, learn to treat things seriously, learn that she's not the centre of the universe and that it's OKAY not to be the centre of the universe. And by being with Yuffie, Vincent can learn that maybe he's not such a monster.

Now, in reference to your SPECIFIC arguments AGAINST Y/V:

1. It's pedophilia.

No, it's not. In some states of the USA and in many countries, 16 is the age of consent. Not only that, but not all Y/V fiction is set in-game. In fact, most of it is set a year or more POST game. That would make Yuffie at LEAST seventeen, which is the age of consent in the majority of states in the US.

Also, on the age difference thing, Vincent is at least twenty years older than every character in the game, with the possible exceptions of Gorky, Staniv, Godo, Hojo, Bugenhagen and Red (who doesn't count, because he is emotionally something like fifteen).

Pairing him with Sephiroth is STILL an icky age difference. Same for Cloud, Cid, Tifa, Reeve, Aeris, and anyone else you can think of.

That's if you take his age into account at all, which you really probably shouldn't, because he's PROBABLY immortal. Thirty years without aging. At all. That tends to hint at immortality.

2. There is no basis for it in the game.

You're right. Do you know why that is?

Vincent and Yuffie are optional characters. They're not in any of the FMVs. ANY. Not even the ending.

Also, the lack of basis for it in the game is also a lack of basis AGAINST it. You can talk all you want about the Materia incident, but you may be misinterpreting Vincent.

Let's take a look, shall we?

VINCENT (to CORNEO): I don't care about what you're doing so much as the idiotic way you're doing it.

VINCENT (to CLOUD, about YUFFIE): Unforgivable.

What's the difference here, hmm?

Corneo has just endangered the lives of two women, one of whom is a semi-enemy, the other of whom was once an ally. He's kidnapped them, is talking about possibly raping them, and is attempting to use them as hostages.

This is morally wrong, yes?

So why doesn't Vincent care?

Is Vincent perhaps feeling that Yuffie's theft and trickery has been avenged? Or perhaps... Vincent EXPECTS such horrible behaviour from Corneo? Vincent understands that it is in Corneo's nature to be venal and corrupt. Vincent doesn't feel betrayed by what Corneo is doing.

On the other hand... Yuffie hasn't really DONE all that much to AVALANCHE, has she? Oh, sure, she pretended to be their friend, and she stole their Materia--- but they can get it back. She's not threatening to outright murder anybody. She hasn't taken hostages.

So why is Vincent so angry with her? Why, in the face of her 'unforgivable' behaviour, does Vincent not become angrier with Corneo than he does Yuffie?

Here's why. In human psychology, anger is a lesser emotion. In order to feel anger, there is a sense of loss, of powerlessness. In order to make yourself feel powerful, you become angry. It might only take an instant, you might not even recognize it, but you become angry because you have lost something.

Vincent hasn't just lost his Materia. He's lost his TRUST in Yuffie. He's lost a friend, or so he thinks.

Essentially, he is disappointed in Yuffie. That's the root of his anger: Yuffie isn't as good a person as he thought she was.

Does that answer your question?

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[1] And she DOES love it. She was willing to sacrifice her girlhood and morality for it. She was willing to steal from people who were rapidly becoming friends for it. Don't try to deny that SHE LOVES HER COUNTRY.

[2] There ARE specific questions where the incorrect answer doesn't get your money stolen. Those questions are the third and fourth questions.

[3] With the possible exception of Yuffie--- she may gravitate towards him because she won't be tolerated anywhere else.

[4] Yes, that IS her canon last name, according to DC scans. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.

[5] Check the Compilation Ultimania scans. Vincent's line towards Lucrecia says 'unattainable love', and Hojo and Lucrecia had one of those 'husband&wife' lines that led to Sephiroth.

heeeheeeee!! don't you just love that explanation?? I do ^_^. copyrighted to NeoMatrix66612 because it's so genius.

The way I see it now, we're all entitled to our favorite pairing. Cool with me and hopefully cool with you.

Can I use your genetic material to have your children?

;-p

Bleu: There's no convincing you, is there?

Here's to hoping that they go where I think they're going with Dirge of Cerberus.

But I'm going to tell you why. Though you gave very good answers, I'm still going to say that it's just opinion. You're basing the pairing on your own beliefs and while they were good, it wasn't sufficient. When I say I want a basis for it in the game, I'm talking about something he said to her that you could latch onto, to make you think, "Yeah I could see that happening." Vincent's only spoken to two people that I remember with some sort of tolerance. Cid and Tifa.

If I remember correctly, he told Cid he was humorous and he was glad Tifa was alright when she came back from her capture. Now with this I can twist and manipulate the situation to my liking and form my own conclusions. As to his responses to Yuffie, well it seemed to me he didn't like her at all. There's nothing there to grab on to for me.

Your views on their personalities are just that..."your" views. However I have drawn my own conclusions as well. Like I say all the time, it's how you look at it. You've interpreted the two one way and I quite agree with you on Yuffie being obnoxious and all that, but Vincent well not so much. To me, he wasn't mopey, angsty, or gloomy. He was just a person who carefully choose when to speak. He's not about wasting words and he's pretty intelligent, so I think he'd need someone he could relate to on that level. While Yuffie was smart enough to steal materia and do whatever was necessary to save her homeland, she's certainly nowhere near his level. But this is just my opinion of her. Interpretation, if you will.

And as I've said, if you had gotten to me when I first played the game, I might have agreed with you. Back then, I liked all the characters...every single one of them. Subsequent playings of the game later, I started to formulate my interpretation of each character. And that's how it is. But I'm still giving you plenty of kudos for defending this pairing quite adequately.

And here's to hoping it goes my way on Dirge too, but Square has disappointed me before...*cough* Nintendo *cough*

I can't say that those were the reasons that I liked Yuffentine, but hey, they sure do work well.

Blue - yeah, it really just all comes down to interpetation. But if I give you a cookie and some milk for Christmas, would it help at all to sway your beliefs? ^_^

Vincent isn't going to be 'healed'. Psychological problems like that (and, here, let's list some: post-traumatic stress disorder, socio-/psycho- pathy, some sort of guilt complex, not to mention a split personality) don't just go away.

With some help, he could become FUNCTIONAL. FUNCTIONAL. Not healed.

And see, here's the thing: Vincent is content hating himself. He says in Advent Children that he's never tried to be forgiven.

Obviously, Vincent needs for somebody to sit down and make him grow up. Crucifying himself over a woman who

1. Wasn't worth his time

and

2. Has been essentially dead for thirty years

is NOT the healthy or productive thing to do.

I think Yuffie's too young to understand him.

You know what? She's really not.

Eh, I've said it all in my essay, which is above.

Also, Bleu? You appear to be a VT shipper. That's just as difficult to justify as VY.

Not arguing with you on that one. There's a few of us around and I'm happy about that. You want to say something about it, come over to my forum and have a blast. And I'm not saying that just because I'm waiting to tear down your opinion. I'm actually curious to see what people have to say about not liking V x T.

I happen to agree with Nagia. From what I've seen of Advent Children and Dirge, Vincent's not just a quiet, intelligent guy, he's seriously messed up and Tifa is simply too much of a wimp to deal with him properly (near the end of FF7, Barret pretty much tells Tifa that she's become a wimp, so this is not based solely on my perceptions). Also, Vincent being smarter than Yuffie doesn't really mean that much. Relationships between highly intelligent people and people who are less intelligent (but not stupid) work out just fine. And to be perfectly honest, Tifa is nearly as far from being his intellectual equal as Yuffie is. She's got a little more experience and probably a little more schooling than Yuffie does but that doesn't add up to being Vincent's equal in any way, shape or form.

As for not being here to tear down our opinions, then why are you here? This is very obviously a forum in support of Vincent x Yuffie and I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to read through opinions that you will never agree with.

Not once did I tear down her opinion. Because if I did, I would have convinced her of my own. I agreed to disagree as you've said. As for Barrett saying she's a wimp? Oy, I believe you're using a fictional character's perception to base your perception of Tifa.

I'm not the only person wasting my time. Thank you and good night.

Oy, I believe you're using a fictional character's perception to base your perception of Tifa.

Um... I didn't say anything of the sort and I'm kind of insulted that you misunderstood what I was saying so badly (thus my response). I said that it wasn't only my perception of Tifa, that the creator's (probably for a reason) had a character, that had known Tifa for a decent amount of time, call her a wimp. I didn't base my perception on that line, it simply compounded what I already deduced on my own. And just for reference, I love Tifa, she's an amazing character but she's also a flawed character.

How incredibly arrogant of you. And that's all I have to say on THAT matter.

As for Barrett saying she's a wimp? Oy, I believe you're using a fictional character's perception to base your perception of Tifa.

But what people say in canon is the only way we can back ourselves up. Interpreting what we DO is just our own personal opinions. You're not letting her win here.

Shin-san, you're still my hero.

Exactly my point. So by this statement...where in the game did you interpret that Vincent might like Yuffie?

I'm done, because I've got crappy fic to write. Don't believe what you read in the reviews, it's only opinion. But I do love them because they fuel me to write and hopefully improve.

( *fangirlish squee* Shin chan, you're my idol~* )

And to all - if this board isn't meant for debate, then why do people ignore the title "Why or why not do you like Yuffentine?" and debate anyway? This Blue fellow was simply giving his opinion. Unless asking "why" immediately calls for a discussion or debate of some sort, I don't think he was really trespassing any boundaries... right?

The person -I- want to be in KHII is Rikku, because that would rock beyond all rockage.

And yay, once KHII is released and we see both Vincent AND Yuffie, there will be less of that damnable Squall/Yuffie nonsense! Hopefully.

As for 'they look cute together'... Eh. What you call 'cuteness' makes writing VY lemons very difficult. It is physically impossible to get their faces AND hips to align at the same time, and I keep forgetting that.

Rrgh, height differences.

It wouldn't be IMPOSSIBLE... just... not very 'comfortable'.

...ahem.

Tra-lee-la-lee-la...

And where'd you hear this about him being in KHII? S'far as I've heard, there's been no official note of it.

As for Vincent, no screens, but I've heard it SOMEWHERE, and I know it's realiable-- it's DEFINITELY in one of the KHII-devoted messageboards. Vinnie's going to be in his AC costume, as is Yuffie (OMG SHE'S GOING TO BE SO CUTE!).

ETA:

Oh yeah: there are screens of Seifer and the Posse. Seifer looks like an Eminem wannabe. I'm so disappointed in him.

-.-; I wonder if there's Rikku? BETTER be Rikku...

Seifer? Meh. I don't like him anyway.

ETA: Here you go, kids. http://kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=kh2/scans/142.jpg

Rikku and Paine have wings...

Ah, forgot to mention I meant Vincent. What's your source? There was this one incident not too long ago where a funny little spam site decided to email IGN (or some group like that) and tell them a whole bunch of BS about KHII that wasn't real, one of which was that Vincent was gonna make a cameo in some castle or other. Could you have gotten that instead?

Rikku and Paine have wings...

Hee hee... they go from being the FF symbol of Fanservice to being little angel thingies... ^_^

1. There was a weird web rumour going about that Tifa and Vincent were in KH2.

Guess who's been confirmed? Not Vincent, but Tifa. CONFIRMED. So, if half of that rumour is correct, and we know from an interview that Nomura had wanted Vincent in KH1, then why shouldn't the other half be true?

2. Now, I know IMDB has been wrong before, but on KH2's full cast list:

Shogo Suzuki ... Vincent Valentine

3. That weird evasive forum post on KHinsider. It was on some sort of KH2 faq thread. I saw it this summer; peopled' post questions and other people posted answers. It was pretty strictly policed so that only correct information would be in the thread.

4. BlueLaguna.Net said he was in it, too.

There IS a GameFaqs post in which the FF characters in KHII are listed, but the lists and IMDB don't much match up. GameFaqs forums being full of retards, I think I'll trust the somewhat-faulty IMDB over GameFaqs any day.

Cool, then. Hurrah, our favorite gunslinger joins the fight against the Heartless!

...I just hope he doesn't join 'em... well, I dunno... it might be fun, trying to kick his unkickable **...

But wear are the screens for Vincent. I've seen shots for Tifa but not Vincent.

Vincent isn't mature at all. He has spent the last thirty odd years asleep in a coffin, sulking, and actively refusing to heal. He states in AC that he has not tried to be forgiven; in fact, he has barely tried to do anything at all. He came along in the rather forlorn, vague idea that he might be useful - but more than that, he came along because he might meet Hojo, and might be able to get revenge. And there's your key word.

After thirty years in a box, Vincent is harbouring a grudge. A grudge against a man who, funnily enough, was somewhat angry with the fact that a Turk - a nothing bodyguard-type figure - was trying to bring something he'd probably spent his life building towards. Not only that, Vincent was trying to take Hojo's wife away from him. This in no way excuses what Hojo has done to Vincent... but can we see where maybe Vincent might not be the most mature man in town?

I personally think Yuffie probably has a great capacity for understanding the loss that Vincent has experienced - she was anywhere from 9 to 11 years of age when the Wutai War ended. Before that, presumably she'd been living quite happily in Wutai... and lo, the power of her village vanishes before her eyes, her great and glorious future crumbles into dust and Yuffie thinks, "Well, **." Only she's nine, so she probably thinks, "Oh, poopie."

She's mature enough that at sixteen years of age she masters the Pagoda of Five Mighty Gods on her lonesome. She's mature enough that she travels the world on her own - with enough sense and experience to keep from dying, or starving, or being mauled in the middle of nowhere. She's mature enough that she can enter into a life or death situation with only a few minor exclamations of fear.

(I mean, come on. Her want of purely material things kept her going in that final battle. What do you think her love for Wutai would do? Or her love of her comrades?)

And the final clincher for Yuffie's maturity is, not once does she mention a hatred of Sephiroth as regards the downfall of Wutai. She's angry with Godo for his weakness in allowing them to fall. She hates the Shinra for their need to make it fall in the first place. But she does not seem to blame the man who would have led the attacks on Wutai. She understands that he was doing his job. She might not be happy with it, but that's the way it was, and she never once mentions a hatred of him for that, which I think shows a great deal of maturity, given that the childish generally blame the person most directly responsible for their bereavement.

I'm sorry I sound so agressive on my first venture into this forum! =S I don't want to be misinterpreted. I love a good debate, and Yuffentine is one of those tricky pairings.

What's w/ some folks bashing Tifa? I thought this thread was about Yuffentine?

Been Away Too Long..

Anyways..

All the Views On Yuffentine are..

Technically CORRECT..

there isn't a right or wrong answer..

Bashing u Tifa is thou..

a bad thing to do..

I would not want Cloud to come after me.. X_x

Oh ya..

Question for all of u:

What DEMON did Vincent Transform into in the FFVII: DC trailer?

It doesn't look Like Chaos..

it didn't haf wings anyway..

And it isn't Galian..

Maybe a New 1..

My Theory is tt they merged..

Tt's what going to happen in my Fic anywa.. =x

Yuffie's New Costume in DC isn't tt KAWAII thou... =x

You enter the coffin room and..yada,yada,yada,yeah. Well, when Vincent refuses to tell you his past, Yuffie says "Oh, well. It was probably depressing anyway." You may say it's cold or mean, I say this. The guy's locked in a basement, surounded by coffins and corpses, with no light. I'd have to say Yuffie would get the impression that whaever happened to him was pretty depressing, don't you think? Next, this happens:

"You used to work with Shinra?"-Vincent

"Yeah."-Cloud

"Did you know a woman named Lucrecia?"-V

"I don't know, what did she look like."-C

"She was beautiful...beautiful Lucrecia."

"Umm, no I don't think so."-C

"She was the woman who gave birth to Sephiroth."-V

"Gave birth? But..wasn't Jenova Sephiroth's mother?"-C

"That is not true, but not completely false. Sephiroth was

given birth by a beautiful lady. That lady was Lucrecia. Beautiful... Lucrecia."-V

"Okey, boring story number.1"-Yuffie

Okey, Vincent said beautiful like, how many times? I think Yuffie would get bored or dare I say it, jealous? OMG! Now what happens next..

You're leaving the mansion when Vincent follows you and says he will join you to kill Hojo and avenge Lucrecia. Yuffie says, "Great, just what I needed." Now if you go on later in the game, that is what she needed. You know, materia? She obviously wouldn't say that there and give away her plan, now would she? Overall, this has a chance, even if it's small. Think about it.

I think Yuffentines work because both Vincent and Yuffie are extremely intense people who still hide their emotions under a mask. Vincent, obviously, doesn't show much emotion even though he's constantly in pain, and he even locked himself up in a coffin for 30 years to avoid facing the fact that Lucrecia didn't love him.

Yuffie, on the other hand, is very demonstrative in her emotions. So you're wondering what I'm on when I say that Yuffie hides her emotions....but I think it's because she has to put up a brave front to deal with her insecurities. She's the princess of Wutai, and her father's basically put the burden of restoring an entire country on her young shoulders. She's only 16 years old, and yet she has to appear capable and tough; otherwise, her people would doubt her, and she might start doubting herself. So, she acts mercenary and tomboyish to try to fool the people around her. I don't know about you guys, but I've done that before. It's mostly when my parents start talking about my grades, and that's when I act confident and almost rude to avoid being forced to think about my GPA.

Another thing is that Yuffie and Vincent are like two people on the same path, walking in opposite directions. Vincent is still hanging on to the memories of Lucrecia, and he's practically living in the past. He never tries to move ahead, as is shown when he says that he's never tried to be forgiven for his sins. Yuffie is going the other way completely. Even though she's had a tough past, she's trying to walk into the future (to put it in cliche terms) and fix the problems. Of course she doesn't forget her past, but she's not thinking about how horrible it is. She's trying her hardest to make her dreams for Wutai come true.

So we can say that they're walking opposite directions, oh, they'll never meet. But the cute part of this metaphor is that because the path is on the Planet (which is round), they'll meet again no matter what. Maybe by that time, Yuffie would have been bitter about Wutai because she hasn't had success in bringing wealth back to Wutai. Or maybe Vincent would have finally moved on and would be searching for love again. But either way, they'll meet again and maybe fall in love, because they need each other.

But as wonderful as the pairing is, it's kind of hard to pull off because they don't work together unless they know each other very well. Yuffie is the kind of girl that naturally annoys Vincent, and he's the kind of guy that bores the hell out of her. At the very least, if they don't know each other. That's why the lines they exchange in the game are so antagonistic sometimes. They're not like Cloud and Tifa, where the "instant attraction" thing works because they aren't so different. But if one can write it well enough, I think their relationship is one of the most beautiful ones possible because they're just so passionate.

Y: Vincent, I love you *Embraces him in a hug, then steals his materia.*

V: *Transforms into Chaos and tears Yuffie in half. Starts to lap up her blood like a dog.*

End of story

My only misgiving upon the whole Yuffietine coupling is that no one ever seems to actually include Vincent's demons. I've read the Yuffietines since I got on here about nine years ago when there was nothing but Cleris's and Cloti's in this section. But there is only a miniscule amount dealing with Vincent's demons along with the pairing. (Faith and Feather incorpates the demons quite well along with a few others.)

What does Chaos and Hellmasker, Galian Beast, and that other one that I can't think of think of Yuffie? Is she really a person they can deal with? Are they going to go against her or help her? Are they more humanoid or not?

In order for me to whole heartedly love this pairing, in any fic featuring them, I would want in depth details about this. I personally think that Vincent's demons could get the better of him in his emotional situations, such as extreme joy or pain. Are they going to want to share Vincent or not? I guess that I think they should be included for the pairing because unless it is AU, then they are still there watching and being creeps inside of Vinnie's mind. (That reminds me of a stalker-thingy.)

But alas, when it is mentioned, most of the time Chaos is the juvenile baser instincts of Vincent, his id in the relationship with Yuffie.

I suppose I would love more of a conflict with Vincent, though that boy is like a Rubik cube without the stickies. (Those are complicated.)

Any, I do love the VinYuf combo for many reasons.

Vincent is a sulking man who lost who he thought was the love of his life. Vincent is still a Twenty-Seven Year old Turk in his mind though he was asleep for thirty years. In all to him, there would only TRULY be a ten year difference between him and Yuffie considering that he is probably the same as when he went to sleep to when he woke up from his nightmares. As said before he is harboring a grudge and when he loses that grudge, due to his revenge, he still doesn't try to forgive himself of his sins. He feels that he is too responsible. He also goes to the Ancient Capital often, by his quote in FF7:AC. If one goes to the gravesite of someone usually they are looking for guidance or just trying to find themselves. I think (rather a large speculation) that now that Vincent has lost his reason of revenge that he is trying to find a purpose again. The man really needs to know how to lighten up. As a Turk, if analyze just general ideas about them, he was killer and he probrably had nothing to really look forward to as he was one who took away life until he met Lucrecia who refused him and married someone else. I think what he is truly morose about with her death is the fact that he wasn't able to protect life in the metaphorical sense. For a man who kills for a living, being able to keep another's life alive, besides your own, usually is considered by stereotypical nonsense, to be almost unconsidered. So when he failed to keep the woman alive by talking with Hojo, he felt that he really shouldn't live. I think that Vinnie could have probably killed Hojo back then, but Hojo pulled out a gun on the man in the middle of an arguemnt. (It also doesn't help that Lucrecia loved the man and Vinnie probably thought of that as well. THEN AGAIN, this is all a speculation on my part. DON'T take it seriously if you must.)He loathes himself, as it was said before. He even keeps the golden claw on his left arm, though there is an arm under there according to Wikipedia.

As said before, Vinnie needs a purpose to live.

He also needs people. Humans and Whatever-he-is do need social interaction with others. They naturally gravitate towards people of a likeness. Vincent has had a truly tragic love story past, but even after that mindless drivel of his probably one-sided desire, (Gawds I'm being a meaniehead tonight aren't I?), Vincent had not been able to move on from Lucrecia even when she experimented on him and gave him Chaos. (Wikipedia.)

He needs someone that he can trust to not backstab him.

This is where I think Yuffie best compliments him against Tifa or Aeris.

Tifa has had one purpose to live in Midgar and that was Cloud becoming a famous SOLDIER. Aeris was going to die. Yuffie needs help to restore her home which is an immense responsibility on her shoulders for her age. (If given my own country, I would probably be in tears by now.) And, to say in the least, She's not known for her level headedness or her nifty intelligence, though she probably has some. She has a purpose that Vinnie can try to help with.

Building Wutai could also give him another chance at that weird metaphor thingy I mentioned earlier.

With both of their personalities, they hide their true selves quite well. Vinnie obviously still thinks like a Turk and he hides his emotions from almost everyone in the game. Yuffie puts up this brave front but I think sometimes she doesn't truly understand that she can be vunerable if she wanted. As a Turk Vinnie would be able to see through facades pretty well so he would probably pick up on Yuffie's mask before anyone else compared to Cloud or Reno. (Though I do like a good Reffie, once in awhile.)

She needs guidance as well and someone who can think clearly and look ahead for Wutai's future as well as someone who can protect her but not enough that the person stifles her. Vinnie could probably be with her and still give her room to breathe as well. Cloud would be too distant and Reno would be too lax.

Yuffie also can disregard any circumstances because she has the will to do so. She can be very observant as well and understanding when she wants.

I think even if they don't have a romantic relationship, they are excellent comrades and easily could deal with each other well. I don't know if I am making much sense, but I certainly hope I am. Anyway, I hope my explanation is more coherent now.

Anyway...my whole take on the Yuffie/Vincent...LUV IT!XD I dunno, they just...work. I, like many other, am a sucker for the opposites attract thing...I swear to GOD I've seen in it happen in real life AT LEAST five different times....very strange eh? To me, Yuffie beats the gloom out of Vincent, she basically is the 'yin to his yang' if you get it...

Let me state this first:

I haven't played the game in while. (At least past the chocobo races, the PC version died on me.) So I may be off on some points. T.T Sadly, I do not have perfect memory. I don't remember Yuffie's scene in Wutai very well. I do remember Vincent's scene for the most part though.

I don't see Yuffie as this one sided uber-hyper annoying teenager. Yes, she is a teenager. Yes, she can be annoying. I haven't played DoC yet, but in the movie, Yuffie isn't this insanely annoying character. Perhaps that's because she's 21 then? That's probablly why I like the coupling so much, because I don't view Yuffie as a simple hyper teenager. She's a princess, and she loves her country. She doesn't like being treated like a princess. She probablly never really has been since Wutai has become a tourist attraction. She was alive during the war, and war matures people quickly. So I really don't believe she's immature. In reality? I think Vincent is more immature than her with certain things. I mean, after 30 years she's still angsting about a dead woman?

Oh! And the whole immortal/age difference thing. He doesn't age in the coffin because of the experiments Hojo does on him. He's not really -alive- while in the coffin (I'm not saying he's a vampire), he's sleeping and having nightmares. He's not living, even though he is alive. So, mentally (and physically) he's still the same age as he was when he went into the coffin. As a matter of fact, anyone who is a really old fan and remembers the old website when it was Squaresoft instead of Square-enix, they had everyone's ages and little profiles and Vincent was 28. Not 58. 28. Yes, you heard me right. Now the DoC website says 27.

And if you think Yuffentine is Pedophilia, look at Shelke+Vincent. She's 10.

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