So far I personally haven't gotten tired of this couple. But as I said, I'm pretty fickle and easily distracted. Someday I'm going to wake up and find myself liking Tifa x Barrett (holy plotbunnies, Batman) for some odd reason. Apparently I'm still going to have a weird fascination with Tifa, because well...she's cool, damnit.

Bleuwyn might know that I enjoy VinTi VERY much already since I read and review any VinTi fic that she throws at us. Tifa fascinates me, in a way, because she's probably the ONLY FFVII girl I like. And since I adore Vincent, put two and two together and you'll get my fandom of this couple. If I must justify the bigger reasons of why this couple appeals to me so much, then just ask, but for now I'll spare you all from my ranting.

...uh, there you go - the hate comment. Does this topic fit the guidelines now? ^_^

Actually, I don't have a thing against VinTi. I'm very much a CloTi fan, and I don't find the "spurned love" connection to be very... "useful", I guess, but I don't have a problem with it at all. If it's written well, I could care less if Tifa got with Red XIII.

I'm even part of the VinTi club at AdventChildren.net.

I can certainly see it happening, and quite well, but I'll stick to Yuffentine as my primary pairing of choice. :P

Anyway, back to the topic. I have to admit that at first I didn't see Tifa and Vincent together. I was a huge fan of Cloud x Tifa and defended them to the teeth. But as I matured and stopped calling people doodyheads for not supporting them, I happened to find thelittletree's stories and fell in love with Vincent and Tifa (I'm really starting to hate the name melding thing, it's not cute, it's just laziness. Meh whatever.) as a couple.

I always liked Vincent better than Cloud and felt that he deserved someone that could understand him. Even if Tifa and Vincent aren't really meant to be, I think they'd have a great friendship at least.

Anyway... I've never read any of thelittletree's fics. Keep hearing a whole buncha praise for (his? her?) work, though. Maybe it's a hint...

But... who am I to say anyone else can't like them?

It's just... horrifying. It's like kiddie-porn. Gross!

Edit: Now before people jump on this, please be reminded that she's stating (or rather screaming) an opinion.

http://www.adultfanfiction.net/aff/story.php?no=544186801

Edit: Clumsy Seduction is gone. So the link will no longer work.

At any rate, Vincent x Tifa doesn't make sense, I know this. But in my opinion, they make more sense than Vincent x someone else I won't mention. Anything I say based on personalities is purely conjecture on my part and the same goes for everyone else. So instead I'm just going to lazily quote something I wrote for the Yuffentine thread.

Vincent told Tifa he was glad she was alright. It's easy to manipulate that and make it seem deeper than it really is.

I know his comment to her means nothing, so please don't tell me. But if you can take something from the game like that and use it to your advantage, then you'd have no more arguments from me.

I can't believe how immature you VinTi supporters are! How can you see them together!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!??!??? GRAAARGH!!!!

...honestly, though. Just for conversation's sake, let's say I hate the pairing with a justice.

They have next to no interaction within the game (almost as little as Vincent has with Yuffie... heheh, nag nag nag...), and the only interaction they have within the movie (if you can even call it interaction) is when he walks by her. That's it. WALKS by her. Sure, she gives him a "oh, Vinnie, you're so sexy schmexy, can I eat you?" look, but at most it'd only imply a one-sided love affair. He sure doesn't seem to be interested in her at all. In DoC, it's even more apparent. He's still fixated on Lucrecia, or so the trailers make us believe.

There, here's to playing devil's advocate! *toasts everybody before police barge in and arrest me for underage consumption of alcohol*

...damn...

._. I felt as though I must post in this thread.

I'll see if I can get it to you in less than a day.

Oh yeah, you'll need something like BSPLayer to watch the movie with subtitles. Or something that allows you to add in subtitle files. (The only one I bothered using was BSPlayer, and it works fine; just Google it and you'll find a download soon enough.)

Neither are vaguely pro-VxT in any way. Speaking of which, the whole 'Vincent says he's glad Tifa is all right, it must be love' schtick pisses me off. It's not like he would have said anything different to any of the other members of AVALANCHE. He would not have said, "You fucking slut, why aren't you dead!?" to Yuffie if it had been her. He cares about all of his friends, just because Tifa happened to be the one that was in danger doesn't mean she's any more or less special to him (and yes, Yuffie and Vincent were friends. Dirge of Cerberus is nothing if not proof that Vincent and Yuffie are friends).

So, basically the Vincent x Tifa fans have absolutely nothing to go on, just like the Vincent x Yuffie fans. So maybe we can stop this bullshit about demanding canon proof from Vincent x Yuffie fans while saying that Vincent x Tifa is the better pairing because -you- prefer it. That is the pot calling the kettle black (and several other unsavory things).

It's not a question of which one is better. I never claimed one was better than the other. For me, it's just easier to believe in Vincent and Tifa than it is for him to be with Yuffie.

If you prefer Yuffie and Vincent, kudos to you. Sticking with your choice, despite what a few people say to the contrary shows you have convictions.

My respect for you has gone up a lot, Bleuwyn. I do get a bit snarly with YV bashers but I've put up with it for 8+ years and it's just gotten real old. Usually, however, I have a live and let live philosophy. I enjoy what I enjoy, you enjoy what you enjoy and we can all coexist happily in fandom as long as no one is running around yelling insults and crying for proof. There is proof for these pairings in FF7: one-sided Tifa/Cloud, Lucrecia/Hojo, Gast/Ifalna, and one-sided Vincent/Lucrecia (the only reason I'm not including Aeris/Cloud in any form is because neither ever admits to actually having feelings for the other, it's all subtext whereas Tifa thinks on the date that she wishes she could just tell Cloud how she feels). All the rest of us are making shit up, pretty much, so I don't think it's fair to demand canon evidence of anyone that likes an alternate pairing. Also, Yuffie and Vincent have a civil conversation, and he stands behind her when they descend into the Northern Crater (they're the only ones on that ledge), so there's subtext for my favorite pairing, too. We all choose to interperate things the way we want to, so again restating my point, it isn't fair to demand concrete evidence of anyone that likes an alternate pairing.

It's not so much that Tifa/Vincent isn't a good pairing, just that it doesn't really seem to catch my interest. It's not very...spicy to me. It doesn't seem to have flair. There's not a lot of conflict about it.

Tifa is very...normal. She seems to be the only normal person of AVALANCHE really. This is not a bad thing. I happen to adore Tifa. She kicks major tail. She's a strong woman and she seems rather matronly to me. Vincent however, is a withdrawn, quiet man plagued with inner demons. I would venture so far as to say that he is content with living in metaphorical and literal darkness from what I have observed in Advent Children.

Now, ordinarily, I would say that Vincent needs someone strong, someone who can help him heal (as much as someone of his permanent psychological damage can heal) or at least learn to accept some things from his past. However, Tifa seems to me to be the kind of woman who would baby Vincent. She seems to me to be the kind of person who would let Vincent dwell in his sorrow until it got on her nerves to a point where she loses her temper and they both just end up angry at each other. Tifa's tough, and it seems to me that she's patient up to a point, but if she lets it build, she gets pissed. Anger towards Vincent would, in my opinion, only give him more reason to throw his little pity parties.

(Invitation reads: "You are invited to Vincent Valentine's pity party. We would like to inform you that there will be NO clown.")

However, this is my interpretation of Tifa. The pure great joy of FF7 is that there is a lot left to interpret. Your version of Tifa may differ from mine greatly.

Opinions anyone?

Anyway, on to the topic. Tifa, well to me, is just as strong emotionally as she is physically. She supports Cloud throughout the whole game. In AC (haven't watched it, this is just something I've gathered so far), she continued to stand by him.

I don't think of her as an enabler to Vincent's pity parties any more than Yuffie would be. While Yuffie and Tifa have distinctly different personalities, I would like to think both have as much of a chance with him. Though I lean toward the girl with the figure ;P. She could use it as a distraction technique when he gets all mopey.

Vincent: So everyone not enjoying my pity party?

Tifa: Hey Vincent, look at these! *flashes chest*

Vincent: *grins lecherously* Everyone out...except for Tifa.

Tifa: O_o Uh...I was just trying to cheer you up.

Vincent: You cheered something up.

Tifa: Well good, my work here is done. I'm leaving.

Vincent: I'm so depressed.

Yeah, this is my brain at work. Sometimes I feel bad for my readers, having to witness my insanity.

Heh, don't let our humble host fool you, people. She's more skilled than she lets on, otherwise she wouldn't be on my favs list. And hey, insanity in fics is fun.

Anyways, getting back on topic. Looking back over the discussion thus far, I'm surprised no one's mentioned how Tifa's emotional strength could allow her to serve as a metaphorical foundation for Vincent, steadying him so he can center himself and rebuild his life. I'm actually using a similar theme as one of the main plot points in my Reno/Tifa fic (yes, I know, shameless plug), having her as a strong, steadying influence. I suppose I'll probably reuse that whenever I get around to writing a VinTi.

Went back and edited my post. I wrote that at a very bad time, so was in a rush and realized I had worded some things wrong.

Yeah, I think I agree with Bleuwyn that Yuffie and Tifa both have about an equal chance with Vincent (Yuffie might even have less), I guess the problem is that it doesn't hold my interest. I guess that might also be part of the problem Bleuwyn has with Yuffie/Vincent (maybe?).

Tifa x Vincent go very well for me because:

1. Despite having dissimilar personalities on the outside, they are very similar on the inside.

2. They have the potential to have the same emotional pain concerning love, and with that a better understanding of each other.

3. Come on, let's face it. They'd make a very attractive couple.

4. Tifa is my favorite character from FFVII. I know the way I word things, you'd think it was Vincent, but no. I just think he's key-oot. Now he is my second, so we put the two together and there you have it.

5. Stupid Square not making any concessions on the stupid love triangle, so I stupidly picked two of my favorite characters to be together.

6. Finally, it's just my current pairing at the moment. I've switched from obsessing over Cloud x Tifa, so who knows. I might like Cid x Tifa or Barrett x Tifa or Somebody x Tifa. Cuz, you know, Tifa deserves the love. Yeah I'm making her have her own pity party and she doesn't even have to be there.

I don't really think I'll deviate much on them though, because I have their action figures from AC and I swear they do things when I'm not looking. :P

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there's a few Tifa x Vincent out there that have been excruciatingly horrible as well. You could only write 'Cloud runs off to find Aeris and Tifa turns to Vincent in her time of need' in so many ways before it gets dull. And even I wasn't safe from that trap. *shudders at the thought of her first fic* Seriously thinking about trashing that pile of *bleep*

So after my first story, I decided that a change needed to made. I had to break the mold. I had to overwhelm the FFVII community with my favorite pairing. And so began, my reign of terror and I hope it continues until I get bored. Yes, bored. Not die or grieviously wounded...bored.

I am also a Nazi for grammar. My friends call me the Grammar Police. This is why, when I notice a reoccurring grammar problem, even if the story is good, I can't read it. It's distracting. So, even though I love Yuffentines, I'd have to say that I agree with you when I say that there are few of them out there worth reading.

I think the reason that most of them seem like they are written by two year-olds is because they're written by hormonal teenaged girls who are lusting after Vincent and decide to just throw Yuffie in with him because they're "cute together" (I don't think this is a legitimate reason at all).

Which is why, like you, Bleuwyn, I'm trying to break the mold. Which is going to take a while, since I've only recently started reading FF7 fanfictions, which means I've only recently started writing them. I do wish I could find some decent Yuffentines once in a while. Seems like I've already found all the worthwhile ones. There is no mercy for a poor reader.

I just think Tifa's (and Yuffie's) too different compared to Vince to be with him.

However, living in "supposed" sin is not healthy, emotionally or mentally. Yes, he did wrong by her, but it wasn't his fault. Regret is a strong emotion and I believe this is how he feels toward Lucrecia now. What he could or should have done to save her.

And maybe perhaps Tifa, seeing the same qualities with Cloud and Aeris, could help Vincent move on from his regret. If anything (and I seriously can't stress this enough), they would make great friends. She could be his center and as Nando has said, stabilize him so that he could get on his life.

weirdly enough, i can tolerate the barret-tifa pairing.. just a few hours ago, i was thinking of making one.. but i still have to update my other stories so, yeah, that might just be next in my plans. anyway...

i used to be an all cloud-tifa shipper, and then i ended up liking the reno-tifa pairing (but now, in my honest opinion, there are too many of fanfics likes this, so, there are some select reno-tifa stories that i like..), and then i fell in love with the vincent-tifa and zack-tifa pairings. back when i did not know that fanfictions existed (i was a bit stupid, harhar), i'd write stories and stuff, sort of like the AU status presently being used by some fics on this sites..

i like vincent and tifa together, particularly because they kinda look alike. red eyes, dark hair, slender built.. and i both love their characters! and i think they'd look good together... and, well, i do think vincent and tifa together will work out! tifa's compassionate, and being the optimist in the group, she just might be able to help vincent open up or something. =) sure, vincent is quiet, but i think it's because he was in a coffin for some decades and i think it has to do with, as bleuwyn said, the regret.. he seemed to be the brooding type, but anyway, i like how AC made him so "cute" - i like that cloak thingee interaction with marlene (marlene hiding behind him while she was talking with cloud)

about the vampire thing... umm, maybe it's because he was IN a coffin when avalanche found him? or that he floated or flew at some point during cloud and the others' conversation with him? or maybe because he's mysterious... and does not talk a lot? umm.. anyway...

even with all those things i said, i think that the whole vincent-tifa thing MIGHT have NOT existed in the game, but given everything, it IS possible.. =) it

IS an AU pairing, nonetheless, it's one of my favorite AU pairings. =)

end long rant

1. Vincent needs complete person-to-person honesty. Tifa cannot provide it. She did not provide it for Cloud, who she claimed meant more to her than the entire world (and who also needed honesty from the people around him), she would not be able to provide it for Vincent. An example: in Advent Children, she wouldn't tell him what she thought of his issues that caused him to walk out on her and the kids until people's lives were in danger. Vincent couldn't wait for someone's life to be at risk for that honesty, not if he was involved in an intimate relationship.

2. Vincent and Tifa could understand each other's "lost loves" (if Cloud ever actually, you know, tells her outright that he doesn't want her). But they would understand each other too well. They would bring the same morbid perspective to their relationship, without the ability to see things differently neither would be able to recover from their loss because they simply encourage each other's negative views and attitudes.

3. Tifa coddles too much. Vincent doesn't need someone that will placate problems with 'an everything will be all right.' He needs someone that will meet things head on because Vincent has done enough cowering where his problems are concerned (30 years in a coffin, anyone?). Tifa also ignores problems until they've gotten out of control, which is a bad thing in any relationship. (Like say, not telling Cloud what happened in Nibelheim or ignoring it when Cloud started to show signs of depression and unrest before leaving her and the kids.)

4. Tifa hides her true feelings. So does Vincent. Two people that hide their feelings from one another cannot have a healthy relationship.

5. They do not 'look good together.' They look like siblings. Their hair is two shades apart, their eyes are two shades apart, their skin is two shades apart. They could be related. (Incest doesn't bother me but I don't think people that look like family look attractive standing next to each other, either. Aesthetically, Yuffie is almost Vincent's exact opposite, I think the contrast is more attractive because it makes their traits seem much more distinguished.)

In conclusion: I like Tifa. I like Vincent. I do not like them together.

Yuffie's dark-haired with warm-toned eyes. She, Tifa and Vincent could have been painted using a palette of the same basic colors. Not much contrast there, especially compared to other mixes and matches that are possible in the game.

you raised a number of good arguments. i'll try to answer number by number.

1. Vincent needs complete person-to-person honesty. Tifa cannot provide it. She did not provide it for Cloud, who she claimed meant more to her than the entire world (and who also needed honesty from the people around him)...

it IS true that at some points in time, tifa was not able to completely be honest to cloud (back in the original ffvii game and in ac), like in kalm when tifa kept quiet and didn't tell cloud or the others that she saw zack, not cloud, and, as you stated, in ac, when she was not able to tell cloud their issues. my operative words are "completely be honest" - she didn't blatantly lie, she just took some time before she truly "faced the music" and told him/them the real deal. in ac, i think it was shown in the bedroom scene (the "suru suru, suru suru.." part). my memory of ffvii may not be as good, but even if no actual words were said, i think it was "implied" or something that tifa DID tell cloud the truth, eventually.

2. Vincent and Tifa could understand each other's "lost loves" (if Cloud ever actually, you know, tells her outright that he doesn't want her). But they would understand each other too well. They would bring the same morbid perspective to their relationship, without the ability to see things differently neither would be able to recover from their loss because they simply encourage each other's negative views and attitudes.

umm.. it doesn't always happen that if two people came from bad relationships, or both had "lost loves" (or a not-so-good love story, gwah, insert all that applies), they'd "bring the same morbid perspective to their relationship." the fact that something bad happened to both their past love interests might just make them treasure their relationship all the more - though, i'm not saying this applies to everyone who went through bad break-ups, i do not want to generalize. you said it yourself, that they could understand each other's lost loves, and that they'd understand each other well - maybe this understanding would get them to make sure that nothing similar to the past would happen or it could also be that they'd prevent anything like that to break them.

5. They do not 'look good together.' They look like siblings. Their hair is two shades apart, their eyes are two shades apart, their skin is two shades apart. They could be related...

okay, "to each, his own" or her own =) but in my honest opinion, yuffie could pass for tifa's younger sister, or a tifa with a shorter hair (or i just saw too many fan arts who draw them similarly, and i DID think that they looked alike, back when i was playing ffvii), so if you said they could be siblings, i think i could say the same for yuffie and vincent. and i watched a special show in discovery channel (forgot what the title was) where faces of various men and women from different ages and races were tested for "beauty" (their perception of it, anyway)... yaddahyaddahyah... to make a long story short, both sets of men and women are found to choose someone who looks like them (they had pictures of the women altered to create male versions of them, without them knowing, and the same thing went for the pictures of men). either we (men and women) find ourselves or find our other-gender-counterparts MOST beautiful/attractive (or that we measure beauty through our looks) or that we find someone who is close to "our level of beauty." anyway... i don't think they (yuffie and vincent, or vincent and tifa) look like siblings... =) but that's what i think.

waaaaaah, i was really enjoying this! but it's almost 4, i have a presentation tomorrow so i need to get to bed x.x i shall do 3 and 4 when i get home tomorrow =) thanks for this! :D see ya soon!!!

Don't twist my words. I said they would understand each other too well, which implies a negativity. Vincent and Tifa are too alike in personality for me too believe they would do anything but drag each other down.

As for Yuffie's looks... We're apparently looking at two different people. Yuffie has tanned skin, Tifa and Vincent are pale. Yuffie has grey eyes, Tifa and Vincent have reddish eyes. Yuffie's hair -is- dark but it contrasts in length.

I'll concede that in the movie and FMVs (in DoC) Yuffie and Tifa both have brown eyes but that's because they altered the original character designs to look more realistic. I'm talking about the original character designs, though, not late coming changes.

People lie. For any reason. Most of the time. To themselves. To the ones they love or hate. It's not a good thing, but it's not a bad thing either.

Tifa and Yuffie lied for their own specific reasons. I don't feel like getting into it, because it's all really conjecture. For all we know, Tifa kept the truth from Cloud because she felt like it. Yuffie lied because she just wanted the materia, and not to save her home. I don't really care. The situations could be twisted to suit your liking.

Onto the physical similarities between Tifa and Vincent. Let's get into it a little deeper. Yes, they have similar hair coloring and eyes. But that's it. They do not look like siblings to me at all. Not even cousins.

Facial structure: Vincent's face is slim and angular. Tifa's is round and more fleshed out.

Body: Tall Vincent (6 foot even) vs. Short Tifa (5'4", if I remember correctly). Again, he's thin and she has meat on her bones (and apparently other places :P)

Hair: Certainly their hair color is almost the same, but let's look closely. Her hair is thicker and fuller, while his appears thin.

Eyes: Once more, similar color. But his is small and almond-shaped, and hers looks round and a bit larger.

Now I'm going to admit I'm a very shallow person. Why? Because I like the fictional male characters I obsess over to have women who look more womanly. And while Yuffie seems to have grown up a bit in AC and DoC, it didn't look like she's changed much appearance wise.

And then we can get into the quality of fics. Okay, here's my beef about that. When you write a story about your fave pairing, you're representing them in a way. When you post it here or somewhere else, everyone gets a chance to read it. Don't you think writers should make at least some effort to correct grammar and spelling problems? I'm not saying mine are the greatest, but I do take the time to proofread and spell check. I want people to know I care about this pairing, not post it willy-nilly just so it can be out there.

So when I read something that's full of mistakes, I get turned off by it. The pairing doesn't matter. I've read high-quality Yuffie x Vincent fics before and I've read low-quality Tifa x Vincent fics. While I know some folks out there have yet to graduate high school, but (high school was a long time ago for me) I do remember having to take English for four years. There's no excuse for that. Some of the mistakes I've seen are basic and that irritates me.

What about English being their second language? Well that I understand. English isn't the easiest to learn. So I don't fault them for that, however it would be nice that some would ask a beta to go over their stories.

Totally don't have much time since I've spent my lunch typing this, so I'm going to end it here.

I have a sister that looks like my twin. I have a brother that has a completely different body type and facial structure and yet people still ask if we're siblings. Why? We have a similar skin tone, hair color, and eye color. In my experience, coloring is the first thing that catches the eye, not structure. Unless structure is very unusual.

I said in the Vincent x Yuffie section here that I hate most VY fanfiction. It's crap. That doesn't change how I feel about the pairing, however. I'm not going to change my mind just because I can't find a good fic.

You're right, Bleuwyn. You are shallow. But if it makes you feel better, I think Yuffie is much sexier than Tifa, and given a choice of real girls, I would go for one with Yuffie's body type -and attitude- before someone like Tifa.

Edit: Actually, I'm done here. Bleuwyn, you're "Vincent doesn't need an emotionally stable partner, he needs one with big tits!" bit is revolting to me. [Edited because it's better to leave it at that, no matter how angry and disgusted I am.]

*This goes to anyone coming in this forum, not just Shinsetsu*

This is the thing that gets me angry and upset. Just because someone states an OPINION, everyone's got to jump on that person just because you don't agree. Well, I'm sorry if the world doesn't work the way you want or people can't jump up and say, "You're right, I'm wrong. What was I thinking?"

I have a pretty open mind. There are many different people and views that, while are not agreeable to me, I'm willing to accept because that's just the way people are.

I, personally, have only gotten truly mad at someone on this forum once. And that was when that one guy disrupted it. I've been informed (concerning DoC and AC, since I haven't seen or played either). I've been surprised (so many different opinions that have made me think). I've been irritated (some people have said things that struck a chord).

But I don't think I have ever been disgusted with anyone here. If you're disgusted by me, some other poster, or Bob down the street, I could give a *bleep*. You, or anyone here for that matter, doesn't affect my life. I don't affect your life. Don't let what I or someone else say control your emotions so much that you have to leave before you get psychotic or whatever.

You don't like what people say? That's not my problem. You decided to come in here and read other people voicing their beliefs, truths, and/or opinions and get mad or upset or slightly peeved. I didn't twist your arm. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make enemies. I was just curious about what people thought on certain pairings. Sure it's hated/disliked pairings, but I like to do things a bit differently.

I'm an honest person. I don't need you to tell me who I am, I already know. I'm arrogant and generally an all around a**hole. I like certain things. I dislike certain things. However I have never gotten angry at anyone for not agreeing with me. That's too much energy wasted for me. I can agree to disagree and that's all I ask out of anyone here.

And I'm almost positive that some of my readers are thinking I'm a fruit loop or a mental case for some of the things I've said here. But I write what I write, because I want to write. You can't take it, not my issue.

Now back to the freakin' topic. While I did say that I prefer the fictional male characters I obsess over to have a womanly woman, that doesn't mean that's all I count on. I'm shallow, but I'm not that shallow. Vincent and Tifa aren't so emotionally damaged that they can't have a relationship.

While Tifa wasn't forthcoming about what she knew, she had her reasons. I would say put yourself in her shoes, but you can't. Not because she doesn't exist, but for the sheer fact that you would probably react differently. She thought she was doing the right thing. The same thing can be applied to Yuffie stealing materia to save her homeland.

Vincent, to me, is a man who deserves someone who could love him. Both Yuffie and Tifa have that chance to be that someone. I prefer Tifa, because I like her better. Not just because she has a better figure.

Have a nice day or at least fix it so that it is.

I like easily visible contrast for my couples. In most cases tanning is nothing a little sun can't fix and Yuffie's eyes always seemed indifferently dark to me, not brown or grey, just somewhere on the dark end where the shades of eye color get muddled up and hard to differentiate, especially with the lower-quality images we had before AC. Grey or brown, it doesn't change what I said, you could make up a palette with red, white and black and mix the paint to get all three of them. I personally pay more attention to hair color than length and dark is dark. IMO Cid, Aeris, Cloud or Sephiroth make a hell of a lot more physical contrast with Vinny than either Yuffie or Tifa ever will.

but anyway, really? tifa lied blatantly to cloud? i did't know this, didn't really see this.. but yeah, maybe you could point it out? =)

and, well, i was not twisting your words, i am just saying things how i understood what you were saying (or what i think you were saying). since this is just all typed and stuff, without any intonations or something, i can understand why you think i'm/i was being sarcastic (or something like that) which i did not to "sound" like. being exactly alike would not really be dragging, unless of course that other person is simply copying the other (now that would be annoying!).

about the looks, i still think tifa and yuffie look alike. sorry if you're not satisfied or if you're insulted or something, but that's really how i see it. ac might have altered some physical attributes, but there are some people who accept it as the real art, primarily because it's more realistic (as you did say).

...see you all in two days! (or something like that)

edited: because i was supposed to answer something

3. Tifa coddles too much. Vincent doesn't need someone that will placate problems with 'an everything will be all right.' He needs someone that will meet things head on because Vincent has done enough cowering where his problems are concerned (30 years in a coffin, anyone?). Tifa also ignores problems until they've gotten out of control, which is a bad thing in any relationship. (Like say, not telling Cloud what happened in Nibelheim or ignoring it when Cloud started to show signs of depression and unrest before leaving her and the kids.)

umm, ok, she might have had some problems in past events, but tifa was able to face problems head on too (battle scene with loz, staying with cloud in mideel, helping cloud in the lifestream, etc). she's an optimist, "everything will be all right" is not entirely a bad thing since it is an assurance that things will lighten up (and really, things do get better, unless of course one person prefers to be pessimistic. i'd choose an optimist over a pessimist anytime, but of course, i'd rather be a realist.

and about vincent and the coffin, i don't think he truly "cowered where his problems are concerned". he might have gotten really depressed (lucrecia leaving him, waking up with an experimented body, etc..), TOO depressed that he took the coffin being offered. i've stepped back from problems before, to think about them, to consider my emotions or even to give time for myself.

4. Tifa hides her true feelings. So does Vincent. Two people that hide their feelings from one another cannot have a healthy relationship.

tifa hides/hid her feelings, but not all the time. same thing goes for vincent (he showed anger before facing hojo, and some other stuff) i think some people really have the tendency to do that, "hide emotions" since not everyone can walk around with his or her heart on a sleeve.

so anyway, yeah, i'd be back in two days, i think =)

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