All right. Bleu, feel free to move this under the yaoi couplings if you want, but I've seen this one around a LOT. And something needs to be said.

That, and I think everyone will have fun with this. Either that, or people are going to end up kidnapped or dead.

Not a fan of them as a pairing. I will say it makes for good darkfic, depending on the writer. But that's more of a "You strip me of my masculinity and dignity by sleeping with my wife, therefore I'm going to do the same to you," sort of thing. But that's mostly found in fiction that doesn't adhere to the compilation, where the orders of events and the entire relationship status of everyone in that triangle is up for grabs.

If anything, a one-time thing. I don't see him keeping him around like a pet or anything. I personally think he loathes him enough that he wouldn't want to touch him like that. And if he did, he'd probably decide it wasn't all that great.

That, or a beastie would eat him.

No offense, but that's what i see.

Funny thing about this is—I could see him doing it once, maybe. It'd make for a decent psychological one-shot. However, even worse than anything I've seen in the yaoi circles, the thing that bothers me the most is how the het writers have seemed to adopt this as a normal plot device also. Why is it that in so many VinTifas I have read (and in many other yaoi fics, most notably CidVin, though I'm not as sure about as many het fics because I tend to stick with the VinTifa pairing more often than not), his telling of his past involves rape as part of his torture?

It's like fanon now!

ARGH.

As far as the pairing goes, it's as disturbing as any pairing involving Sephiroth, if only because of the utter insanity of one of the members. There's no way Vincent and Hojo were together before, and unless there was some sort of malignant tumor that erupted inside Vincent's half-screwed mind at the same time that Hojo was revived or so, there's no way that the two of them could ever be a pairing.

I just wanted to see what everyone thought of the stuff floating around.

Regardless, it can't really be called a PAIRING if it's not exactly... romance, right?

However, while many of us have set aside the notion that Vincent was involved in some form of adultery—an idea only rejected in Dirge canon in order to make us more sympathetic towards Vincent's plight, but a good idea nonetheless—it is interesting to speculate whether or not the periodic instances when Vincent attempted some sort of relationship with Lucrecia and when she "chose Hojo"—whatever that meant for them at the time—overlapped. Hojo's quote in Dirge, "So, you've finally come to your senses and chosen me," makes me think that they did. And if that is the case—

I am reminded of Vincent's quote in the original game, where he tells the recently deceased professor to "rest in peace". Perhaps he is not as angry with the scientist as many of us would believe. I always see in fiction that Vincent, and much moreso the females he ends up with, damn the scientist to rot in hell and wish that they could have inflicted more pain on him. And while I am sure that some part of Vincent wishes this from time to time—

Perhaps prior to shooting Vincent, the scientist let some comment or some action slip, revealing that he was hurt by the Turk's pursuit of Lucrecia. Perhaps Vincent remembered that. A flash of hurt on his face when Lucrecia fell ill and Vincent was the one with her, screaming at him on the table—I think that, being under Hojo's knife, Vincent was in the position to gain some insight into the inner workings of the man, to learn things about him that Lucrecia might not have even known. His insecurities, his motivations—while the procedures were extensive, laborious, unnecessary, perhaps Vincent recognized the underlying need in the scientist to assert himself. Being the less attractive and charming of the two—nerdy, gawky scientist that he was, despite what Lucrecia might have said she liked/loved about him—Hojo was using the only weapon in his arsenal against the only one who threatened him: science.

Vincent would have been the one to witness his descent into madness, in the fullest, most extensive context. Emnity, perhaps—but I do not think that Vincent nor Hojo in the senses with which we are familiar are the same men who existed before the time of Vincent's death. Also, we do not know how much of Vincent's condition is attributed to Chaos—I speak of the other three here—and how much of it is Hojo's doing, not Lucrecia's. While Vincent was technically dead, waiting to be revived, he might have simply thought he would make use of a perfectly good cadaver, rather than discarding it. Then when Vincent was revived, unnaturally strong and even more threatening, he might have felt the need to assert himself once again.

Of course, this is all assuming that Vincent was somewhat conscious or aware of the proceedings, and that he was kept under the knife for an extensive amount of time. For all we know, he might have woken up after being revived to find himself changed and the mansion abandoned. That's what it looks like in Dirge—which in my opinion is stupid.

But that's the relationship I imagine between the two of them. Certainly nothing romantic about that.

...

...yes.

Yeah, this "pairing" only works for a torture-fic set back in Vincent's experiments.

And honestly, I'm certain some part of Vincent always has, and always WILL hate Hojo to a certain degree.

... That's just messed up :)

I honestly dont see why people make vincent in male-to-male relationships full stop. ive got nothing wrong with it but i dont see vincent as that kinda guy.

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