Jason/Kat or Tommy/Kat? - Power Rangers Couples Forum

I much prefer Kat/Tommy and Emily/Jason. Kat and Jason barely seemed to notice each other except when Tommy had been captured by Gasket, and that in and of itself was more because they were worried about Tommy. Not to mention far too many times, Kat suddenly has feelings for Jason (while poor Emily is dumped to the curb) just so Tommy can realize his love for Kim never died. I've seen that more than enough times to get bored to tears by it. It cheapens the very real chemistry Kat and Tommy had throughout the latter half of Zeo, makes a mockery of Tommy's personality *and* Kim's *and* Kat's most of the time, and is in general badly done.

I might possibly enjoy a Kat and Jason fanfic in which Tommy's love life isn't an issue at all, and Emily is dealt with in a sensible fashion, such as moving away and they chose to break up, or they just broke up as friends instead of her not being mentioned at all. By Tommy's love life not being an issue, I don't mean it's just casually mentioned he got back with Kim or that the feelings between him and Kat "weren't real". I mean they just grew apart as a couple and became good friends, or possibly have it set before they dated in the first place. There's a small moment of opportunity before Emily is introduced and after Jason returns as the Gold Ranger where something could happen. I've never seen anyone use that, though.

#2 Dec 31st 2005, 3:00pm

diana19

i think that tommy and kim make a better couple that kat and tommy.

kat and tommy never had any chemistry it was like they were friends you hardly ever saw them doing couple stuff unlike tommy and kim that you always saw them together and the chemistry was there from the beginin.

just one question there used to be an auther by the name of ozmandous, what happend to her? if you don't know the auther, maybe you know the story. it was that tommy and kim saw each other again when kim and trini mouve in together and they were having a warming party and she and tommy end up having sex in the kitchen, the pairing were kat and billy, jason and tanya, and tommy and kim there were more pairing like andros and ashley and more but i can't seen to find this fic.

if anyone knows please tell me.

thanks

#3 Jan 01st 2006, 7:19pm

I would like to point out a few things. Please take this in the polite tone it is meant to be expressed in.

1. Different people have different kinds of relationships.

2. The two relationships took place at two different times in Tommy's life.

3. It's a little hard to date when you're spending most of your time racing cars. It doesn't mean they didn't talk (since we hardly saw Tommy unless it was a battle situation in Turbo *anyway*) or spend time together. Remember, he was fifteen to sixteen throughout his time with Kim. He's seventeen to eighteen throughout his time with Kat. People's way of expressing their feelings can change.

4. Chemistry is in the eye of the beholder.

#4 Jan 02nd 2006, 12:57pm

Ghostwriter

Higuchimon, you are so right. Between Tommy\Kat, or Jason\Kat, I'd rather have Tommy\Kat, 'cuz I liked Jason with Emily. I'm basically a diehard Tommy\Kim fan, though I don't mind reading Tommy\Kat stories that actually do Kat justice. Catch ya on the flip side.

#5 Jan 05th 2006, 4:49pm

zeopurple

I personally have never been able to see the whole Jason/Kat relationship and if anyone's ever read any of my fics then you know who I prefer Tom/Kat all the way!!! And clearly something must have happened between Jason and Emily since they went walking off into the sunset together. Though I do tend to pair Jason with Kim.

#6 Jan 05th 2006, 9:53pm . Edited Jan 05th 2006, 9:54pm

Destiny45

I don't understand Jason/Kat pairings (although I still read them from time to time). Although Jason and Kat would make a handsome couple, Jason's a jock and Kat is more a sweet intellect. If Kat was going to date anyone else during Zeo besides her longtime crush Tommy, my guess is it would have been Billy. They're both on the shy and sweet-natured side, plus they had a very strong friendship from the start.

#7 Jan 06th 2006, 10:36am

Blanks

For a guy, I'm pretty much of a romantic. And personally, I didn't see anything that could have even hinted at a Jason/Kat coupling. I believe that coupling originated from the many Kim/Tommy fics that wanted to give Kat a break from all the anti-Kat fics popping up everywhere by placing here with a character that wasn't obviouly involved with someone.

Now the Kat/Tommy relationship was cannon. However in DT its obvious the two are no longer together, BUT, Tommy is NOT with Kim either. The way I see it, a possible pairing between Tommy/Elsa was hinted at, it was obvious, especially on Elsa's part. And not Tommy/Elsa, then definatly Tommy/Haley. I had hoped that when SPD was first announced that Sky was the son of a former Red Ranger who was the best of the best, that he would have been Tommy's son, just so we fans could get some closure on just who Tommy ended up with.

Being realistic, I say Tommy ended up with Kat because of that episode in Zeo that showed Tommy/Kat as cannon in the future with grandchildren. It's cannon and you can't argue with cannon-facts.

#8 Jan 09th 2006, 9:07am

Couldn't have said it better myself, BrandonB.

#9 Jan 09th 2006, 2:07pm . Edited Jan 11th 2006, 11:40am

I mean, what the heck is up with Jason/Kat fics anyway?

#10 Jan 09th 2006, 2:11pm

It's cannon and you can't argue with cannon-facts.

As much as I love Kat/Tommy, and I do with all my heart...if we accepted every little thing we saw on Power Rangers as pure out and out fact...when are we going to have horse-races on the moon and known ichthoyphobes marrying creatures that evolved from fish? ;)

#11 Jan 09th 2006, 5:01pm

Blanks

i was merely refering to the coupling facts, not anything else that PR stated.

#12 Jan 09th 2006, 7:19pm

Destiny45

WARNING to Tommy/Kim shippers reading this post...

To echo earlier comments by BrandonB, I read on the boards and I think IMDB too that there was a scene in "Forever Red" were Tommy was going to mention he was still with Kat, but it was cut for time.

#13 Jan 10th 2006, 2:32pm

It's all about Tommy and Kat for me. I never noticed anything between Jason and Kat but their mutual concern over Tommy's disapperance in "King For a Day."

I'll be forever rooting for, the old couple that reads stories to their grandson and anxiously awaits the return of their older grandson who is following in their footsteps.

#14 Jan 13th 2006, 1:33pm

Let me tell you, when Destiny45 replied and I read it...I just noticed a huge smile on my face...'nuff said. I love the Kat/Tommy relationship.

#15 Jan 24th 2006, 10:49pm

redandblack 4eva

I personally think that Jason and Kat are better off. Jason never really had a significant other throughout PR and Tommy should really be with his soulmate, Kimberly Hart.

#16 Mar 02nd 2006, 4:53pm

Jason never really had a significant other throughout PR

Yes, he did. He had Emily.

Tommy should really be with his soulmate, Kimberly Hart.

Not commenting at all. Not commenting at *ALL*.

#17 Mar 03rd 2006, 8:45pm

It's funny people forget about Emily so much. Now, I must admit I didn't like the idea because I like Jason/Kim so much. I own the whole season of Zeo now and Emily/Jason is not so bad. Peeps, give her her props! ^_^

#18 Mar 12th 2006, 1:54pm

redandblack 4eva

It's funny people forget about Emily so much.

You are right, now that i think of it. jason did have emily, butif we're talking strictly on ranger couples, jason and kat would be better off.

#19 Mar 12th 2006, 2:10pm

But if we're talking strictly on Ranger couples, Jason and Kat would be better off

Oh, give me a break.

#20 Apr 25th 2006, 2:51pm . Edited Apr 25th 2006, 2:53pm

Okay I think Jason could be good with Kat or Kim. The thing is he had some chemistry with both of the girls. Yeah Tommy was with them, but that doesn't mean anything. As for seeing that episode with those two in the future, that doesn't actually mean anything because that is one possible future, the future is full of many outcomes, none of which are certain at that particular time. When you see that episode you know that if Kat and Tommy had stayed together they would get married and have kids. And even if they had mentioned that they were going to have Tommy say something, that could be all heresay. Also where was his wife in Dino Thunder? I don't think he's married, I think Tommy could be paired with anyone along with Kat. I don't think many people understand the concept of time and traveling through time. If it was cut out in Forever Red they could have mentioned it in Dino Thunder there was plenty of time. Plus Sky having the a ranger father who was the best of the best would not be Tommy. People gave him to much credit. He couldn't do much by himself. And TJ had to save him. Jason and Andros just off the top of my head are the best. I haven't seen much of Lost Galaxy-Ninja Storm. Wes is a very good close to Andros and Jason right now. Sorry but it irritates me when people say Tommy is the best. The producers liked Jason David Frank and therefore gave him a lot of story lines. That doesn't make someone the best especially if they have to keep being saved by everyone else.

#21 Apr 25th 2006, 5:56pm

Where is this chemistry with Kat? Nine times out of ten when he was near her, he was talking about Emily or whatever the problem of the episode was.

#22 Apr 26th 2006, 1:35pm

Okay, now I'm just now rewatching Zeo when they're showing it. The last time I saw most of the episodes was when it aired. There are a couple of episodes that we have on tape. See when I say chemistry I don't mean the same chemistry as Tommy and Kat by no means. Tommy and Kat had great chemistry and I'm not trying to say that they didn't. In the episodes that I remember, and the episodes that we have, Jason and Kat seemed to have a comfortableness about them. Now I will say that I think it might just be Kat because I can see a little chemistry thing between her and Rocky, Billy. Then again I think it might be a MM-first half of Turbo. A lot of the times you could place the girls with any of the guys. And for Kat and Jason, I'm saying that it's not impossible to see, after a little while, for them to get together. I just don't understand why everyone says that only Tommy is her guy.

#23 Apr 27th 2006, 5:00am

*shrugs* I'm not. I said between Jason and Tommy, I'd pick Tommy for her, and Jason and Emily would be together.

#24 Apr 27th 2006, 12:55pm

Okay. And I can see why you would pick Tommy over Jason and Emily for Jason.

#25 May 02nd 2006, 5:21pm

spangladesh920

I actually like Tommy/Kat more NOW then when Kat first debuted on the show. I now understand what emotions Tommy's character must have went through after "The Letter". Kim's out of his life for good and that's the way he would want it. I started watching DT and was hoping that both Kat and Kim would show up and demand Tommy make a choice. If that would have happened, I think Tommy would have went for Kat because he's still hurting from what Kim did to him.

#26 Jun 07th 2006, 8:47pm

If they had, Tommy would've been within his rights to tell them both to keep right on going. That kind of attitude, DEMANDING that he decide on one of them, is not only unlike *both* of them, it's rude and uncalled for. I think at that point, he'd date Hayley just to prove his love life doesn't revolve around the two of them. And I highly doubt he's still hurting. He got over it. It happens. Having your high school girlfriend dump you isn't *always* something people angst about for the next seven years of their lives.

#27 Jun 08th 2006, 12:27pm

kat and tommy never had any chemisty it was like they were friends you hardly ever saw them doing couple stuff unlike tommy and kim that you always saw them together and the chemisty was there from the beginning...

Umm...did you not see that episode where Justin was getting bullied by this kid in that box car racing show. What did Tommy tell Justin? How did Tommy know? Because Kat told him:

Tommy: Kat told me about what happened...

What does that tell me? That they 'did' indeed talk and have chemistry. Not everything needs to be a public display of affection. That's for puppy love. Tommy and Kat had more of a sophisticated, we don't need to show that we're in love to the world, kind of love. So ha!

#28 Jun 16th 2006, 3:13pm

Meloda26

Well for me I like the couples as Tommy and Kim, then I like Tommy and Kat,

But if I had to choose. It would be hard to choose who I like from the couples.

Tommy I like with Kim and Kat for different reasons. Tommy with Kim is because they were the first to admit that they like each other. For Kat is he went with her because she reminded him of Kim. That is a reason why he did it. Just I love both girls for him.

Jason I also love both girls with him. There is stuff between him and Kim in the show and then when the Turbo movie came out it look like they were dating because how they were acting like. With Kat I could see stuff through out the season when he was in it with Kat. So I like both couples and they are so cute.

For me it would have to be for now Jason/Kat and Tommy/Kim.

#29 Aug 03rd 2006, 9:20am

I never really thought Kim and Kat were even remotely alike. In fact the only thing they had in common were than they were the Pink Rangers.

In the end, he went out with Kat because he liked her. She brought a new element to the team that was unique and Tommy saw that.

I don't like Jason/Kat together, because most of the times it becomes a device to put Kim/Tommy together. I always got the arugment that Jason would never get with Kimberly because Tommy and he are best friends and he would not to that to Tommy, but it's a different story when Jason is cast as Kat's love interest.

I guess when it comes to Kat, Jason will forego his friendship with Tommy. Even though it's obvious to anyone who has an open mind that Tommy loved Kat. So why would Jason take Tommy's actual girlfriend(lover) but not date a girl Tommy dated in his past?

#30 Aug 03rd 2006, 10:14am

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I think Tommy/Kim is probably more realistic than Tommy/Kat. Tommy was with Kim for a lot longer, and they really seemed to go well together. The letter was a pretty lame excuse for breaking up anyway.

I'm not saying anything for Jason/Kat, except that I really don't think Jason/Emily would have worked as well. How can you have a relationship when one person is keeping a huge secret from the other person? If relationships are supposed to be built on trust, Jason would have had to tell Emily about his ranger past, and there's no indication of anything like that in canon. Isn't that why none of the rangers had a real relationship with people who didn't know they were rangers?

#31 Aug 03rd 2006, 2:15pm

Good point about the relationships and secret thing. That's a tough thing, I think it would be fine to tell, but with great trust.

I see both of the couples: Tommy with Kim and Kat and Jason with Kim and Kat.

Kadeana: I think that Tommy did and still loves Kim as well as Kat, they could be different loves, but it's still there. The whole best friend thing, well if there is love between the two, why shouldn't it be allowed even if they are best friends.

I can see all four of the relationships working. Also I don't see why you say that he loved Kat, and well at least you didn't say that he didn't love Kim?

#32 Aug 03rd 2006, 3:38pm

Well, I 'still' don't see Tommy loving Kim as you guys say. Never once did I see him look into Kim's eyes the way he looked into Kat's. It was just so obvious that there was always something more with Tommy and Kat. Look at Hawaii Zeo when he was going to ask her out but didn't. "Wow, me and Kat, huh". It's facial expressions that tell me that he has it bad for Kat and not Kim. As Jason and Kat go, come on, the only time Jason and Kat really got together was just to save Tommy. Hmmm, why them? Tommy's best friend/Tommy's crush (great production). I think people are just picking Jason/Kat and Tommy/Kim cuz they look 'cut' together. Which isn't the case when you ask who will make the best couple with them; not who looks better with who.

#33 Aug 03rd 2006, 4:07pm

I'm not saying that the love in the show is the same. In fact I was saying that it's different. Everyone loves people differently-even if they're old boy/girlfriends. I don't put them together because they look good together, I put them together-Jason/Kat and Tommy/Kim because they have something there and it could end up as something more. I don't believe that on the show Jason and Kat were in love or even liked each other that way, but I think they developed a very unique bond, one that could grow into something more.

As for Tommy and his looks, well yeah he's going to look at them differently-different ages, more mature feelings.

Good point on why they went looking for him together, I already realized that, my point is that that could bond them in more ways than one.

#34 Aug 03rd 2006, 4:12pm

JuseaPeterson, I was just pointing out the double standard when it comes to Jason/Kat as opposed to Jason/Kim. I almost always here that Jason would not do that to Tommy in reference to dating Kim, but it's not the same in reference to Kat. Kat is handed over on a silver platter.

I clock Tommy/Kim as classic young love. Highschool Sweethearts. Nothing more but Nothing less. Lana/Clark so to speak. Where as a I clock Tommy/Kat as "it." The one that when it truly comes together, it would last forever like Lois/Clark.

Dino Thunder really did nothing to change my belief in that. I look at it as an opportunity for people to write Tommy/Kat without set boundaries. I was hesitant to write Tommy/Kat because it seemed a straight shot marriage right out of highschool, but Dino Thunder adds a different spin to a supposed "boring" romance.

#35 Aug 03rd 2006, 5:30pm

I really don't think Jason/Emily would have worked as well. How can you have a relationship when one person is keeping a huge secret from the other person? If relationships are supposed to be built on trust, Jason would have had to tell Emily about his ranger past, and there's no indication of anything like that in canon. Isn't that why none of the rangers had a real relationship with people who didn't know they were rangers?

You don't really know that for sure. Now granted, he obviously didn't tell her while he was the Gold Ranger, but who's to say he didn't tell her well after the fact? More than likely he probably may have told her if/when they really started to get serious.

And out of all the Ranger/Non Ranger pairings I've seen, I'd say Jason/Emily is probably the more realistic one (other than Joel/Ms. Fairweather) so I really find it hard to believe that he didn't confide in her about him being one of the original six once he officially wasn't a Ranger anymore.

Oh, and P.S.:

(breaks into spasms of laughter) That's a good one! (laughs)

#36 Aug 03rd 2006, 8:49pm . Edited Aug 03rd 2006, 8:50pm

That's true, it does. And I'm not deterred by DT either, if anything it gives me a reason to believe that they end up together more realistically. Besides, the idea of them marrying out of high school is a little bit strange for both of them to do anyway. Plus the way I see it, life happened in-between for both these two characters. But even despite that, how do they end up back together? That, in my opinion is probably THE Tommy/Kat challenge to end all Tommy/Kat challenges.

#37 Aug 03rd 2006, 9:18pm

^^^^So true, so true. Wow, talk about saying the truth. Yet if you think about it, if there is going to be a Tommy comeback yet again...who do you think his wife is going to be? It is surely not going to be Kimberly. Canon or not. Season to Remember or not. They wouldn't put Tommy back with Kim for very apparent reasons. I say the one that would come back for the show would be Kat; the one the producers would ask.

#38 Aug 04th 2006, 2:47pm

Or there's the form of trust where you *TRUST* the other person not to babble every thing to you. If Jason couldn't keep a promise to someone who was obviously important to him (Zordon) how could Emily trust him to keep a promise to *her*? No one needs to know *everything*.

I'd say the reason none of the Rangers had "real relationships" not because they couldn't tell the other person/people, but because they're *teenagers in high school*. They fall in and out of "love" on a regular basis. By the time they're ready for an adult, permanent relationship, they won't *be* Rangers anymore and it won't be an issue at all. For that matter, by the time Emily and Jason started to get serious, *he* wasn't a Ranger anymore.

Lastly, did you even bother thinking that all the way through to the logical conclusion? If they can only have a "real" relationship with someone who they tell their secret to, then...who can they have one WITH? They're actually not supposed to tell anyone. So...

When all the female Rangers are dating all the guy Rangesr, that will still leave guy RAngers who don't have girlfriends. If Cassie, Ashley, and Karone date T.J., Andros, and Zhane, then who does Carlos wind up with? Is he doomed to be dateless because there isn't a third female Ranger?

There are *always* more guy Rangers than girl Rangers. Do the "surplus" guys just live the swinging single life the rest of their days because of that? Or just maybe could they *possibly* extend some trust to those scary non-Ranger people who migiht not actually *care* about what amounted to basically a part time job they had in high school?

#39 Aug 05th 2006, 10:31am

You know, you're right Higuchimon. I had never seen it like that before. You know, about not caring about 'Zordon's Rule'. I just always looked at it as a regular, 'you're not supposed to do that: Rule'. I was very interesting what you said about caring for Zordon's trust. Good view.

#40 Aug 05th 2006, 4:54pm

Kadeana: I hear what you're saying because I have heard people say that. I don't mean that, I say that it could go either way, over time I'm sure it would be fine with Jason and Kat or Kim--I mean they're not Tommy's property.

Tommy and Kim was a high school love but there's nothing weird about them getting together after years. They have the history, and I'm sure they're really good friends. I just don't see why people say that those types of relationships can't last. I've seen instances where people went out in high school and than they meet each other after years and they get together. They've both matured and their relationship is more mature. I don't think Tommy and Kat was 'it', to me I think it seemed that way because they were older, it would make sense that their relationship is different than Tommy and Kim which was a younger relationship.

Also I don't like how people say that Tommy and Kat belong together just because of that one episode in Zeo. If Kim had been there it would've been her. Plus people really don't understand the time thing. As of that point in time it could happen that way. Also that's one timeline that you're looking at. Different timelines are out there and it just depends on your choices for what you're going down. I mean you never know at that time Tommy ended up wanting to be a race car driver, than in Dino Thunder he's a teacher--he changed his path who's to say who he ends up with doesn't change as well.

I'm not saying I don't like Tommy and Kat together I just get irritated with people who say that they're it because of that episode.

#41 Aug 08th 2006, 3:59pm

Okay I know I just replied, but than I read this.

I think they can tell people it would just have to be with an utmost trust. When I put couples together I put all the guys with someone. I just build up a history and sense of trust between them and, when it comes out, they're not necessairly fine and dandy with it, but it works out. Anyways I think it could work if you did it right.

#42 Aug 08th 2006, 4:05pm

...Also I don't like how people say that Tommy and Kat belong together just because of that one episode in Zeo. If Kim had been there it would've been her....

Uhhh...it wasn't Kim (Plain and Simple). Yeah, maybe Kim would've hugged Tommy...but she didn't. Maybe Tommy and Kim could meet each other in the future (of course Tommy will tell her how great marrying Kat was and how marriage life is treating him).

Of course it would've been her. DUH! Kat would've never of been there in the first place and we wouldn't be 'having' this discussion now would we?

I STILL say that Tommy never looked at Kim the way he looked at Kat. Oooh, especially in that (There's no business like snow business Part One) episode where he got dumped. Before he went outside, he looked at Kat and only her. AWWW, it was priceless.

#43 Aug 12th 2006, 8:57pm

Yes I hear that. But what I was saying was that he was older and so therefore he is going to have more mature feelings. Seeing Kim again, them both mature, they could get together. But the future is unknown and can change, so...

#44 Aug 14th 2006, 4:20pm

Stalker.Buny

i definitely think jason/kat are better couple than tommy/kat. i don't think tommyappreciated kat and wanted her only because she was a pinkranger

#45 Aug 15th 2006, 6:57pm

Really? I've heard that before. But than you can always say that with the Wes/Jen/Alex thing too.

#46 Aug 15th 2006, 10:07pm

Stalker.Buny

i think alot of red rangers use the pink rangers!

#47 Aug 19th 2006, 9:40am

I've thought about this whole Red and Pink thing, and then I compared it to what actually has happened on the show.

In the entirety of Ranger history, there have been *two* Red/Pink pairings that are canon: Kat/Tommy and Wes/Jen. (When Jen was engaged to Alex, she wasn't a Pink Ranger and she spent a good portion of her Pink Ranger time thinking he was dead anyway.)

So, how exactly now do the REd Rangers use the pink ones?

I honestly see it as an insult to Kim to claim that Tommy only dated Kat because she was the Pink Ranger. It implies that Tommy didn't see *KIM* as a person, but just as a figure in pink that could be replaced by any other figure in pink.

#48 Aug 19th 2006, 1:46pm

Stalker.Buny

Whenever a red ranger is in trouble you see them go cry on the pink ranger's soldier. As for the tommy/kim/kat thing, he did date her because she was the pink ranger. i think its because the love of his life was the pink ranger so he was probaly reminded of her everytime she morphed. i'm sorry if this offends you but thats how i feel about it.

#49 Aug 19th 2006, 4:28pm