All right folks, MI informed me of some problems with the chat room, so until things get settled down, I've created one myself. I have NO idea how well it works, it was the bewst looking one when I did a Yahoo search. Perhaps someone could pop in and let me know how it works and everything. I'm there right now for anyone interested.

http://www.chatzy.com/933726940338

And for clarification, if MI wishes to create anouther one, I will happily step aside, especially since I'll be incommunicado for the better part of a week starting Wednesday (the internet is getting cut a day and a half earlier than I thought). The live chat is his baby, and it's up to him if he wishes to try again at some point in the future.

Here's an update on what I plan to do. Zaratan has found a decent chat software that allowed more admin options then mine. However, Ghostwhiter has set up an IRC based chatroom as well. (You can find it here: http://kpforum.pbwiki.com)

Now here is what I am willing to do:

For all of you that use the chatroom, please check both softwares out and leave some decent feedback here. Tell me your likes and dislikes about each. Based on what you, the members, think of the rooms, we will call it our new home to chat on.

After that decision is made, I am passing the reigns on to somebody else who is willing to step up and take over the chat room. This is based on my decision to take a break from the internet. I will still be around, don't you worry about that, but I am deciding to drop all of my projects untill further notice. I will not be making new videos, writing fanfiction, or trying to rebuild the old chat room/forum. I still will be posting blogs over on thatguywiththeglasses.com, because I enjoy writing them and it helps take my mind off things. (There is a link to my stuff in my profile.) Heck, I'll still remix music from time to time.

To be clear, the trouble makers of the old chat attack were not in anyway related to the deleting of the forum. After further investigation, I found the old admin who helped me create the site heard of my troubles and went to see if he could help. He noticed that the forum was completely hacked into, so he logged into his account and saved me the trouble of fixing it all again. I was upset with his decision to delete the forum, but he said it was beyond repair. He was listed as a VIP member of the site, but I still let him have his power. Turns out that decision worked well.

Please, I am asking you as a friend, do not be angered with my decision or try to persaude me to change my mind. My mind is made up.

You guys have until September 5th to give feedback on the chat rooms. If you are willing, and have the time, please don't be shy to say you want to help run the rooms. And if Zaratan, cpneb, and captainkodak01 are willing; after all the feedback is received, I would be willing to talk with them through email, pm, AIM, MSN, whatever, to make a decision on what room to use based on what y'all say. It's not 100% fool proof to prevent future attacks, but it will be much better than what I can do alone.

And as a final note, to all who helped me out at KP's Authors/The Anthology, I thank you. I wish I could do more than just a simple thanks, but it's all I can give to you.

Remember, this is to better the community. I personally feel the more involved with the chatroom, the better. I have thought about these plans over and over again in my head, and if anybody disagrees with them, you may do so. I will not be offended. This is a "Kimmunity" decision.

Mike Industries

However, Ghostwhiter has set up an IRC based chatroom as well. You can find it here: http://kpforum.pbwiki.com

I have had the basics of this chatroom and ajax-based webpage access since the last time Mike Industries was having some problems with his chatroom and it looked like it might get deleted. When those problems blew over, after talking things over with Ran and Mike, I gladly stepped aside in favor of continuing with his chatroom. With what happened to Mike’s chatroom recently, I feel that the chatroom I have set up could be a better choice in the long run for the Kimmunity.

The chatroom I have set up is a registered IRC chatroom which I believe has several advantages:

1.Since it is an IRC chatroom you can access it with IRC chat clients directly like GAIM/PIDGIN, X-chat, Trillian and the Chatzilla add-on for Firefox. You don’t have to use the web client I set up if you don’t want to.

2.By using a chat client program—people can send & receive only the text portion of the chat. In theory this should be a boon to people with slow connections. I have had at least one dial-up user on for over an hour (using Chatzilla) with no noticeable lag in posting or reading.

3.On the web client I set up and on many client programs there is a list of nicknames of the people currently in the chat room on the right side pane next to the chat display window. You know who else is currently on to chat to without searching or guessing.

4.I have ops control in the chatroom—this means I can kick out and/or ban people who are consistently causing trouble. I know I can share ops control when I am actively in the room and I can set up other users with registered nicknames to automatically get ops control when they log in.

5.The chatroom will continue to exist even if the trolls hack and destroy the webpage. Plus I have copies of the webpage code and the wiki space I am using is free—I think I can re-create it at the same or even a new web address in under an hour without any concerns over expense.

6.You can have private side chats with other people in the chatroom, even if they are using a different IRC client program.

I have shared ops control with Kwebs and Cpneb so far and I'm looking for 1 or 2 more very level-headed individuals to add to that list. It been my experience that most of the rare controversy that has occurred in the original chatroom has blown over with a bit of time without anybody interfering. If this is the chatroom that catches on, I seriously hope we never have to enforce control, but now that the trolls have us on their radar, it is probably a neccessary precaution.

I hope all of you will stop by and give it a look.

Thanks,

GhostWhiter

I tried entering GW's chat room using the names "prt" and "pharaoh". Both times I was informed that those nicknames were already in use.

Just how many Mummified Middletonians are in this chat? Or am I doing something wrong?

The nicknames are common for all IRC channels for a server or maybe even for all of IRC and must be unique to the system. Try PharaohRutinTutin to get on.

At this time (nearly) everybody is over in the http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/ chatroom

For easy copy and pasting here is the link on its own line:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/

Some of you in the new chatroom have already taken the step of registering your nickname with the IRC NickServer so that it is yours exclusively.

EDIT: You can now enter your password (if you have one) directly into the provided box on the following web client pages:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/

(takes you to #kpforum chatroom - works best on smaller 4:3 aspect monitors)

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen

(takes you to #kpforum chatroom - works best on larger 4:3 aspect monitors or any widescreen monitors)

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KPwriters_widescreen

(takes you to #kpwriters chatroom - works best on larger 4:3 aspect monitors or any or widescreen monitors)

If you still need it, the syntax of the command to enter your password after entering the chatroom is:

/msg NICKSERV IDENTIFY (password)

In the next week or so (hey! It's Labor Day weekend) I will set up a web page with illustrated step by step instructions on how to access the #kpforum IRC chatroom with the PIDGIN client program and save all the settings including your nickname/username and password and post a link to it here.

EDIT: Step-by-step illustrated instructions on downloading and setting up PIDGIN (one of many IRC chat client programs) to access the Kim Possible Forum Chat channel (#kpforum) are available at:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup

For those of you who like the web page access page to the IRC chat, but wish it filled your screen better, I have created a wide screen version for you at http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen. Note that this is the exactly the same as the other page and IT SENDS YOU TO THE SAME CHATROOM. It has just been formatted much wider and a bit deeper in size for those of you with higher resolution monitors.

For easy copy and pasting here is the link on its own line:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen

So does anybody else have anything to say about the chatrooms? Anyone? Come on... you know you want too...

Me again. Here is that link I promised to step-by-step illustrated instructions on downloading and setting up PIDGIN (one of many IRC chat client programs) to access the Kim Possible Forum Chat channel (#kpforum):

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup

If you follow these instructions you can join the chat directly using PIDGIN--you won't have to use one of the web pages I set up. This has three possible advantages:

1) If you are on a slow connection it should dramatically speed up the chat for you.

2) If the web pages get hacked, you can still access the chat.

3) If you registered your nickname, there is a place to enter your password and PIDGIN will remember and issue your password to the Nick Server the next time you log in.

Chat last night was the best :)

I'll second that :)

Why do I always miss the good ones??

I slept wonderfully last night after that chat; however, I don't think that some people will ever look at each other us the same way again.

Absentialuci and Neo proved that two young women waaaaay outnumbers any number of men on a chat. Their wit and humor was some of the best I've seen in stand-up comedy (that would have to be shown on HBO late-night comedy) since Rita Rudner, Judy Tenuda, Ellen DeGeneres, and Paula Poundstone.

Ladies, re-appear tonight, if you can. I need another humor fix, please and thank you. I've washed the laptop screen off after last night's multiple spittakes....

And, Ghostwhiter, please tell me you captured the entire chat, or at least the part after I left.

PWEASE!?!?!?

...cpneb

What time did you leave last night neb, I did show up, but you were gone...

Mike:

I was there when u were talking to Tomi and then left, but I left probably close to midnight CDT.

...cpneb

Yeah... now I remember it...

Me and my memory problems...

Will somebody bring a drool bucket for neb tonight?

no need, Captain IT: she sent me her picture, and I was right.

Besides, we've talked since then, and I'm even more convinced that she is a remarkable young woman (and it has nothing to do with her review, her lovely shoulders, or that smile...).

...cpneb

no copy of the pic for you!

BUMMER!

At 8:44 pm EDT on Monday September 8, 2008 the Mibbit.com embeded web client chat program I am using, crashed and everybody who was using the web client pages I set up, dropped instantly out of the chat room. Crunchbird and I were not affected since we were accessing the chatroom with PIDGIN. It took about 4 minutes for the Mibbit.com severs to right themselves and allow people to sign back into the Kim Possible Forum chatroom.

I am looking for a backup web location to host the web page chat client, in case the web location ever gets hacked (I did use a strong password to resist dictionary attacks, though), I will endeavor to find an alternate web client program as well and post links to it in this thread when I find one and set it up.

EDIT: This page has an ugly interface, and I can't change the size of the chat window, but it will get the job done in case the normal web access should go down:

http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=kpforum

You can also download and set up PIDGIN to access the chat directly. So far Kwebs, Mike Industries, Crunchbird, and Sir Sebastian have followed the download link and step-by-step instructions I posted and have been able to access the chat:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup

To those of you that were dropped out of the chatroom by the crash, I can offer only my apologies as I have no control over the service.

I'm looking for some opinions to try to get a consensus:

I have seen how our current chat room is very much free-spirit, free form, nearly any can and does go on--I enjoy the fun atmosphere and I have no desire to alter it in any way.

I think though, that there is a group of writers who would prefer a chat room that is quieter and better suited to more involved discussions of plot points, story concept and the like, and I suspect these writers either don't come at all or stop into the #kpforum chat room for a bit and then leave. For those writers and possibly many of the current chatters who might actually be in a bit more of a serious mood now and then, I was considering setting up a second chat channel on IRC:

#kpwriters.

Kwebs and myself (and possibly 'neb when I get a chance to chat with him this weekend) would look to keep a more controlled atmosphere on the new channel and would restrict people who insist on taking things 'over the edge' on a repeated basis--hopefully opening the new channel to involved discussions of stories or other topics between 2, 3 or more writers at a time (similar to a PM conversation but able to support more than two participants at a time). To put it in metaphorical terms: every one in the KP fan fiction 'family" would gather (to chat), but some would sit at the 'kid's table' and others at the 'adult's table.' Anyone using the Pidgin (or Trillain, I believe) IRC chat client would be able to open both chat rooms in their program (in separate tabs) and participate in either chat. Users of the web interface would probably be limited to one room or the other since IRC does not allow 2 logins with the same nickname.

I have chatted with some people about the possibility of opening the second chat room, so far with a few being mildly interested and at least one person being vehemently opposed based on the idea that it might break up the KP 'family'.

What is your opinion?

I think it's a wonderful idea, GW.

Sometimes out chats can get...spirited. And kind of perverted; more than a little kinky. They're all great fun, but not conducive to writing.

Definitely an idea worthy of development. It would give us, rather than "a kids table and an adults table" something more like a free form chat and an author's chat.

In KP terms, think of it as going from regular clothes to mission outfits.

To put it in metaphorical terms: every one in the KP fan fiction 'family" would gather (to chat), but some would sit at the 'kid's table' and others at the 'adult's table.'

Oh man come on GW you could have come up with a better term than that.

LOL I've now had this new chat room described to me three times by three different people and all three times I've felt slightly insulted. Even though I know it wasn't the intention.

After being a part of a few of those... spirited... (good word Luci) conversations, I too think it would be a great idea. It's not segregation, and it's not splitting up the "fam"...

It's more like one would have an "Open Discussion" format, where the other would be dedicated to chatting about the show we all got together here for, the Kim Possible show.

Think of it like this... One Chat Room would be like a bar, where friends hang out and just let things hang loose... The other Chat Room would be like going to a Work Meeting where things are a bit more civil, and more controlled.

The only thing consistent, is that if food is brought, we know Rufus will be there...

At least this is the way I see it... Any others?

I think the terminology of 'adult' and 'childrens' table unfortunate. Different people want different things out of a chat room. Some want more discussion of writing/story ideas/action tips etc. Some want to joke with friends. Neither is right nor wrong. I agree with the point that it has the potential danger of splitting up family. There are nights, however, when I'm in the mood for something more serious than the conversation going on in the room with friends having fun. I'm a bit uncertain if there will be as many people participating in a forum with more emphasis on plotting, or some other issue. But I'd probably be willing to give it a try in the limited time I have available at the moment.

But I think more neutral terminology in naming the rooms would be a good idea.

KiY - Hey, if you write KiGo you have to support different strokes for different folks.

OK, group--you're right that the metaphor is a bit insulting, but that's what came to me on the fly after a long day at work when I wanted to describe "those who are very playful for hour after hour," without turning it into a page long dissertation that no one would read.

Both TL and Whitem have much better metaphors.

As far as naming the rooms they are the current #kpforum and the proposed #kpwriters channels on the Freenode.net server.

I was looking for a quick, intuitive way to get across to people what the operative difference between the two rooms would be. My apologies if anyone thought I was trying to insult them.

I'm seeing 7 votes for (adding the others I talked to in the original chat room about it), 1 against, and somebody already looking to make use of the new room. I realize an impending landslide when I see it.

Therefore, without further ado (has there ever been a nearer ado?), here is the web access page for the new chatroom:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KPwriters_widescreen

Here is the backup (ugly interface) web access page for the new chatroom:

http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=kpwriters

Those of you on PIDGIN or Trillian can just type (or copy and paste) the command:

/join #kpwriters

into a chat entry box to join the new chatroom. Once on the new channel, in PIDGIN click on "Conversation" and then "Add" and give it a name to add it to you buddy list.

All of the web client chat access pages have been upgraded to accept passwords for those of you who have registered your IRC nickname. If you haven't registered your nickname with the nickserver you can just leave the password field blank and enter the chatroom(s) normally.

BTW, if you like the Mibbit web client but would prefer it take up your whole browser window use this link for the #kpforum chatroom:

http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=#kpforum&settings=id=be2fc1b0ede52939d6d1d65d772a3f13&promptPass=true

...or use this link to start in the #kpwriters chatroom:

http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=#kpwriters&settings=id=be2fc1b0ede52939d6d1d65d772a3f13&promptPass=true

Note that since these client pages take up the entire browser window, there are no instructions or IRC starter help on the page.

I wouldn't mind chatting again sometime, but with all this going back and forth I'm not sure where to go and what to do.

Is there an iron-clad definitive place now with instructions on how to get started? (Make it too complicated, and not many will jump through all the hoops...)

Slyrr,

Goto this link.

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen

Type your nickname in, don't worry about the password and you're set.

Post again if you have any problem or you can pm me.

Kwebs

Something wrong with the Chat? Can't seem to open it...

It looks like Mibbit.com (the embeded chat client I use) has "upgraded" again. This page is ugly, but it does work:

http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=kpforum

Or if you want to go to the #kpwriters room:

http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=kpwriters

The usual links are working again. It appears that Mibbit changed servers and it took a while for the DNS update to propagate through the internet. I'm hoping that means we won't see any more problems like tonight for quite a long time to come.

It looks like Mibbit is down again, so please us the back up client.

http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=kpforum

Or if you want to go to the #kpwriters room:

http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=kpwriters

Sorry about this folks.

Here is a slightly better backup web client you can use until the normal one starts working again.

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KP_Forum_ChatBU

It will log you into the #kpforum chatroom with the name "KP_Forum"

Use the "Change Nick to" box in the far lower right corner to change your nickname to your normal one.

Hit the "Enter" button when you're done typing to apply the change.

You also might want to consider downloading the free PIDGIN IRC client program. By using PIDGIN, you never have to worry about the web page chat client being down again. Complete step-by-step instructions for downloading, installing and setting up the program to join the #kpforum chat automatically can be found here:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup

The normal web link is working once more (for now) :( :P

From the Mibbit blog site: "It sounds like freenode had quite an interesting time with some technical issues last night. As a result of this, they seem to have blocked all gateways including Mibbit for the time being. Sorry about that, doing what I can :/"

Mibbit is the main web client I like to use since it's the most intuitive and it flat out looks better than anything else I have found. Unfortunately, that leaves me in a holding pattern hoping this problem will blow over on it's own. If it doesn't then I'm going to be forced to change either the web access client or change the IRC host.

In the meantime, there is a link to the ugly backup client on the http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen web page or you can go to it directly at http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KP_Forum_ChatBU

You can also download the free PIDGIN IRC client program. By using PIDGIN, you never have to worry about the web page chat client being down. Complete step-by-step instructions for downloading, installing and setting up the program to join the #kpforum chat automatically can be found here:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup

Several people have told me that the instructions are quite clear and easy to follow.

Updated update: The mibbit web chat page ( http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen ) will work if you choose to change to a non-random screen name when you sign in. You do not need a password unless you are signing in with a screen name you have registered previously.

Just wanted to say that there seems to be something wrong with the chatroom. I can't get on at any of them. Well, I got on once but not under my ff nickname. I don't know what's going on.

I just tried the http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen page and the http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KP_Forum_ChatBU page and I was able to sign in and chat from both locations.

Looking back over the chat log, there did seem to be some issue with the mibbit (main) access between 11:05 am and 12:36 pm EST. Since there is no mechanisim for them (mibbit.com) to notify users, I'm guessing that they pulled things offline to perform server or DNS updates.

To answer your registered nickname question that you posed on the chat--registering your nickname is where your protect your nickname with a password. Just type "/msg NickServ REGISTER [password] [email-address]" without the quotes into any IRC chat window. Note that you are required to provide an email address and to complete the instructions in the email you receive. Once you respond to the email you can log into the chat with your registered name and password. The password is case sensitive. Other people who try to use your registered name will be warned that the name has been registered and there is a "ghost" command you can use to stop them from using your name.

Since IRC chat has been around for 20+ years, you can expect many names, combinations of initials, and titles to have been claimed previously. Most KP forum users do not encounter any issues registering the nickname that they use in the forums {I guess that means we have a collection of very unique individuals}.

Note that you do not have to do any of this as long as the nickname you are using hasn't been previously claimed by somebody. Just type the name you want to use into the "choose a nickname" box and leave the password blank and hit the "click to join chatroom" button to enter the chat and you're chatting online.

Note: to all the curious readers and writers out there--yes, it's that simple to start chatting.

The mibbit.com interface that makes the http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen web chat page look so nice, isn't working tonight, so please use the http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KP_Forum_ChatBU page to join the chat.

If you've downloaded and set up PIDGIN ( http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup ), then you're still good to go.

Just tried logging on to the chat at this address:

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen

But it says the person running this wiki 'needs to update' - whatever that means. When I click the link that says 'alert the one who run this wiki', it says 'this feature is disabled', so I can't alert them....

More as I learn it...

Slyrr, there is a link on the bottom that says Take me to the Wiki. Everything should still work.

EDIT:

I fixed it. No issues for me now, try it.

Okay, I've got a bit of a problem since I downloaded Pigen. My computer's been acting up and my dad thinks its the program itself that's causing the problem. Something about a virus. I think it's just that- a virus- and has nothing to do with the program at all. He doesn't believe me, so if I have to uninstall Pigen... is there something I can use that will still work?

EDIT: I'm starting to think it was the program that caused it DX Call me childish, but I'm not admiting that to my dad... I had to take it off, as per his orders, to see if that was the cause or not. I don't know why it messed up my computer, but apparently the longer my computer doesn't mess up the more I have to believe it was the program. So... I would like to find something else that might not mess it up.

EDIT EDIT: Disregard that. My computer wound up messing up on me after all. I jumped the gun... XP For now, I'll be unable to talk on the chat until I get this problem fixed. I'll keep you guys updated.

different topic im new but do any of u think kim possible will come back to TV?

Strawberry Chappy, you can use ANY IRC chat client program (like chatzilla, X-chat, MIRC, etc.) to access the chat room. You can also just use the web-page based chat client at http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen to join the chat.

**GhostWhiter sighs**

Here we go again. If I had paid anything for this service I'd have to ask for my money back. :P

Unfortunately #kpforum's host, Freenode.net, has blocked the Mibbit web chat client from accessing their network - that means the "pretty" chat client now will not work and we're stuck with the "ugly" backup.

At this point in time, I'm going to wait a few days at this time to see if Freenode's administrators change their minds.

You can still access our main chat from a webpage here: http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/KP_Forum_ChatBU

OR....you can find step-by-step illustrated instructions on downloading and setting up PIDGIN (one of many IRC chat client programs) to access the Kim Possible Forum Chat channel (#kpforum):

http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/PIDGIN_Setup

If you follow these instructions you can join the chat directly using PIDGIN--you won't have to use any of the web pages I set up. This has a couple of advantages:

1) If you are on a slow connection it should dramatically speed up the chat for you.

2) If the web pages get hacked or blocked by forces beyond my control, you can still access the chat as though nothing happened.

Thanks for your patience,

GhostWhiter

I have installed a new client at http://kpforum.pbwiki.com/WideScreen, so you can use it access the #kpforum chat. I'm aware that this interim (?) chat client is not a nice looking as the Mibbit chat client, but it's what we're stuck with until Freenode.net & Mibbit can play nice once more.

I am occasionally checking #kpforum chat room access with a copy of the Mibbit client page and if the situation changes (and remains stable) I will put the Mibbit chat back on the page.

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