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A Shade of Grey
Lucius is very popular with those Black sisters, isn't he? xDD I'd love it if you wrote the threeshot, though; Bella and Lucius seem like a fascinating pair. :)
#51 Dec 08th 2007, 3:31pm
bonniedoll
It's in the works... XD
#52 Dec 08th 2007, 3:31pm
Cuban Sombrero Gal
*laughs*

Don't even mention plot bunnies to me today, especially not if they're dramatic and angsty, because I've got enough of those to last a lifetime.

I don't think Narcissa and Lucius loved each other at first. I mean, lets face it, they're definately not a couple you can write fluff about. Obviously, they married for society, and I like to think that they loved each other more as their son was born. I don't know how many of you have seen Marie Antoinette (which is crap, btw), but basically absolutely no passion, and then they were forced to produce a heir, and thanks to their child, they slowly grew to appreciate each other more.

#53 Dec 08th 2007, 11:47pm
RockBabi
ok so, i've read through this all, and am kind of afraid to give my opinion on these characters. i've done quite a bit of analysis on them and their relationships, but i'm pretty sure my take on things would piss some of you off...especially Huffle...

~G.R.Black

#54 Jan 26th 2008, 12:35am
Cuban Sombrero Gal
Go ahead anyway, Huffie will live. :)
#55 Jan 26th 2008, 2:56pm
bonniedoll
Yeah, don't be afraid to voice your opinions! Unless you're gonna insult Remus, she doesn't bite... :)
#56 Jan 26th 2008, 2:58pm
RockBabi
well, for starters. I think that once upon a time, there WAS love in the Black sisters realtionships. Bellatrix's done a pretty good job of ruining hers, but Narcissa hasn't. I think she loved Lucius, and she still does. I think Lucius loved her, and the birth of Draco brought them even closer together. They may not show it all the time, they are Death Eaters after all, but it's there. Just look at how much they were willing to sacrifice for Draco...

~G.R.Black

#57 Jan 26th 2008, 5:01pm
bonniedoll
Oh, definitely! They were just three little girls once upon a time... :( I support the view that Narcissa's and Lucius's relationship was more of a forced/decorative one, but they grew fond of each other over time, ecpeisally, like you said, due to Draco's birth. I think they do love each other though, eventually. :)
#58 Jan 26th 2008, 5:05pm
RockBabi
oo, i think your the first person to support that little idea of mine... i think we all agree though, that however the Lestrange marriage started out, or however fond they grew of each other, they've grown very far apart... :(
#59 Jan 26th 2008, 5:09pm
bonniedoll
Lol, yes! She loves Voldemort, but Rodulphus still loves her (or so I think), therefore things just don't work... :(

If you look at things rationally, you can see that people are not born evil; it's like with dogs. People think of German Shepherds, Pitbulls, etc, to be violent breeds, but it's the way they're raised that makes them what they are. I think it's the same with the Black sisters... Andromeda escaped while she still could. :)

#60 Jan 26th 2008, 5:14pm
RockBabi
Exactly! in the third book they something about 'Bad Blood' and there being nothing you can do about 'Bad Eggs' but i think that's completly wrong! The Black sisters had a less-then-perfect upbringing, and that made them who they are today. Andromeda, the vigilent Order member, with a loving husband and daughter, and eventually son-in-law and child. Narcissa, an less-then-willing Death Eater, but still married and with a child, both of whom she loves. And then there's Bellatrix. A devout Death Eater, left almost incapable of love.
#61 Jan 26th 2008, 5:26pm
Cuban Sombrero Gal
You've got me too, I've always believed that. :) No-one, not even Tom Riddle, is born evil. Everyone is born plain, and it's up to you to decide whether you turn out good or bad.

Andromeda was good obviously, Narcissa had intentions to be good and sort of got a little lost on the way, and Bella chose to worship everything the Dark Lord and her parents said.

#62 Jan 26th 2008, 5:36pm
RockBabi
yup! Tom was just born with 'issues' he couldn't handle...
#63 Jan 26th 2008, 5:41pm
Cuban Sombrero Gal
:) Exactly. You agree with me. I like you.
#64 Jan 26th 2008, 5:47pm
RockBabi
thanks. i like you too. ;p
#65 Jan 26th 2008, 5:49pm
Cuban Sombrero Gal
Thanks.

Bella's definitely not redeemable under all that crap that she does, but I think she would have been, once ...

#66 Jan 26th 2008, 5:54pm
RockBabi
once upon a time she could have been, yes. But the possibility of her insanity does offer reason to view her in a softer light. it in no way redeems her, but does make one question how much of what she did, she did sanely. (if that makes any sense...)
#67 Jan 26th 2008, 6:01pm
Cuban Sombrero Gal
True. I think her obsession gave her some sort of mental disorder. Not a recognisable one that a doctor could identify, but it addled her brain, you know ...
#68 Jan 26th 2008, 6:03pm
RockBabi
i think her obsession WAS her mental disorder, in a way. She didn't draw a line and it got just a little Pshyco... which is sad, because i know a girl at school like that...
#69 Jan 26th 2008, 6:12pm
Cuban Sombrero Gal
I've heard of people like that, but I've never actually met one. Thank god.
#70 Jan 26th 2008, 9:37pm
CharliRaverBaby
I agree with everyone. However one tiny little detail. I think Bella never loved Rodolphus. I think they dated and they were together. But she never loved him. Althought he is like Severus with Lily. Has a mad, crazy, passionate, completely unreasonable love for this woman who will never be able to return it.

But there are some aspects about Bellatrix that make you wonder.

She stunned Sirius. He went into the veil. She didn't kill him.

Sirius and Andromeda could have both been hunted and killed earlier but she didn't.

Andromeda lives to tell the tale of the war. You'd think being an insult to the Blacks that Bella would want her dead.

It says in DH that the DE's used to Crucio curse on Ted and Andy. And yet they both lived.

I'm not saying she is redeemable because she isn't. But there are definetly things we don't see.

#71 Jan 27th 2008, 8:58am . Edited Jan 27th 2008, 9:04am
Cuban Sombrero Gal
She did hurt them, in a way. She killed Tonks, and you can imagine what that did to Andromeda.

Anyway, I think there's a line between family and war. I mean, I don't think she would have deliberately tortured her family, but she said she would. Like the Weasleys. They all said they'd kill Percy, but if they met him, even if it was a dark alley with no-one around, they couldn't do it, because they're family.

#72 Jan 27th 2008, 4:46pm
Avindara Nirvene
Ah, but there is a difference between the Blacks and the Weasleys.

The Weasleys seem kindly and caring, and the Blacks might not all be brutal, but most seem to dislike Muggles/"blood traitors" (and show it, as we've seen in places)

I think Bellatrix would give herself a pretext for killing Tonks, tormenting Sirius, Andromeda/ the rest of her family. Perhaps it's all for the greater good (like Dumbledore was all those years back)

#73 Jan 28th 2008, 12:49am
Cuban Sombrero Gal
She's blinded by power, and killing them gives her everything she wants. There's the excuse.
#74 Jan 28th 2008, 3:03pm
Bellatrix wannabe 89
I don't think she was psycotic. Like some of the most extreme racists, she was willing to do whatever she needed to in order to have, in her view, the perfect world. She just went the wrong way about it. Like Lucius was cunning and had the same views as her, but he was smart about it.

Plus I don't think somene who was insane as some people claim to see through Snape's BS about being totally loyal to Voldemort. Like even Voldemort was fooled, but she knew something was up with him.

#75 Feb 04th 2008, 2:06pm
KatherineGrace79

I think the Blacks are one of the most interesting families in Harry Potter Verse. You've got the Potters, who are clearly good, the Weasleys - good, so on and so forth. But the Blacks are shades of grey. You've got Bellatrix, twisted, demented but she must have some love inside of her to let her sister, Andromeda, live, even if she did kill Tonks. Then there's Narcissa, who was just protecting her son all along. Andromeda, who renounced her family but I believe that there is a part of her that will always love her sisters, even Bellatrix. You've got Regulus, the young Death Eater who collected momentos of the Dark Lord's feats and yet proceeded to hide a Horcrux when it became clear that he had left Kreacher to die and Sirius. Sirius renounced everything and anything that was related to his family. Despised everything about where he came from and yet ended up in Azkaban, alongside his cousin, but never waivered in his convictions.

I believe that the Black family will always love each other because of the memories that they carry around of each other. I even believe that Bellatrix never truly wanted Sirius did. If she had done, then she wouldn't have just sent a stunner at him in the books (unlike the movies - hiss!). She would have tried to have killed him properly. At the risk of sounding cliché - blood really is thicker than water.

Just my thoughts.

Kate

P.S Huffle is freaking amazing! So cool. Totally agree with everything she wrote.

#76 May 20th 2008, 9:30am
B. Cameron

I am absolutely miffed by the people who don't like Bellatrix. However, I respect their opinion.

Finally I am kicking my dusty arse into gear and working on my fan fiction about her, because I honestly felt the need to give the poor woman more depth. I seriously need to type up my second chapter. You shall have no spoilers! That is, assuming you decide to actually go look at it and stuff and review it. -cough-miserably inaccurate because Isabella sucks at math-cough-

In any case, Bella's my favorite. And while she may not be the most perfect girl on the face of the universe, she's Bellatrix Effing Black. What more could you ask from her? To be perfectly honest, I'm secretively looking forward to watching Hermione's torture (kind of hoping they might film it a little bit because that would be too awesome.).

I think, at one point, before Azkaban ate her alive, she might've had some kind of a soul. I don't think she was a nice girl, and I don't think she knew what love was, much less loved anyone, but y'know, she's been through a hell of a lot. Think about her upbringing and how she lived her life in that environment. I think we'd all be a little messed in the head if we liked Bellatrix Black's childhood.

#77 Jun 06th 2008, 12:22am


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