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Topic: Concerning terrorists

You know, according to the doctrine of my Church (the Catholic Church) a sin is knowingly hurting God and man. But what if some people think they're really doing God's will when they sin? The terrorists kill, but many of them think it's God's will. Since a sin is only a sin if you know it hurts God and man, then does that mean that the terrorists are sinning when they commit acts of terror?

#1 Jun 27th 2006, 5:43pm

That would mean you are sinning when you condemn or fight their attempt at killing you! There can only be one head honcho... one 'way' that is right, and babe, neither islam or catholic is it. Come to think, most religions of the world are off the mark by about 30 degrees. Take all your holy days and supplications and stuff em... god's not interested in that **. 1 God... through Jesus Christ (NOT MARY!) plus 1 man on his knees equals salvation. Nothing else is needed for eternal glory... but what do I know, I am just an insane ** with attitude.

Witness

#2 Jun 27th 2006, 11:32pm

You should read about Saul in Acts who is better known as Paul. He was going to Damascus to put christians in prison, knowing completely that he was doing God's work. Then God came to him and blinded him, ultimately allowing him to see. So what he was doing before, was it a sin? Was he obeying God? Sin is the disobediance of God. For all he knew was that God wanted him to put christians in prison. But God came to him and said he needed to do something else. So the question you are asking is that would he be wrong before he was a christian. He knew he was obeying God. I think the true sin would have been hearing God tell you something to do and don't act upon it.

Also, a sin is actually the disobediance of God, which does hurt him. So it is similar and I can't think of any situations that would hurt God and be disobeying God, except for your example and the example of Saul/Paul.

Also, what witness said, it could bring another question up; do Islamic, Jews, Catholics, Buhdists even go to heaven? Well, all the answer really is, have they accepted Jesus into their hearts.

I might be able to help more, I might not, but if you need you know you can always ask God about it. If you have faith, he will answer.

#3 Jun 28th 2006, 5:46am

You both make interesting points.

#4 Jun 28th 2006, 8:31am

This is a pretty explicit site but informative... http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ alot of informaton on the false religions and ungodly behavior of these final days.

I believe in the existance of, but not subject to the will of... God. I hope I live long enough to see the rapture, the look on the face of 'believers' who didn't make the cut will be worth the fate of hell... laffs.

Witness

#5 Jun 28th 2006, 10:19am

Going to Hell isn't wort it. Seeing people in pain isn't as good as it seems. Personally, I believe in the Last Judgement. Anyway, we're getting offtopic here.

#6 Jun 28th 2006, 3:25pm

How so... terrorists make it hell on earth, and they believe murder isnt wrong... so what's offtopic mi amiga?

Witness

#7 Jun 28th 2006, 10:42pm

What is on topic is that even though they DO believe that murder is wrong, the way they are killing they believe is God's will. God says that sin is disobeying God, and they say that they are obeying God. But is this killing of 'infedels' wrong? Are what terrorists doing is wrong? That is what is on topic.

#8 Jun 29th 2006, 4:39pm

Killing is wrong, but some of these dudes don't know it's wrong. That's one of the biggest problems.

#9 Jun 29th 2006, 7:04pm

don't know or don't think.... some religions dont preach murder as a sin... sin becomes rather subjective at that point

Witness

#10 Jun 30th 2006, 9:55pm

It is so hard in this world. Where God's will can become unclear.

#11 Jul 01st 2006, 5:09pm

I guess it boils down to is that does God want us to carry out his punishments or him to carry them out because we do not know his judgement?

#12 Jul 03rd 2006, 7:23pm

I think the later is right. Who are we to know God's will. The terrorists violate their own religion. According to Muslim belief, Mohammad was the LAST prophet and God's messenger. And thus, Osama bin Laden is trying to usurp Mohammad's or even God's place in Muslim belief. The terrorists are uneducated though. They do not know this.

#13 Jul 04th 2006, 1:52pm

Trenton

I don't really think it matters whether or not those people believe that something's a sin or not. They may not think it's sin, but it still is.

#14 Jul 08th 2006, 9:30pm

My Church teaches that a sin is committed when someone KNOWINGLY does something against God and man,so the terrorists might not be sinning since they think they're doing God's will, it might not be a sin.

#15 Jul 09th 2006, 9:31am

I believe that it teaches in the bible that even if you do not know that what you are doing is a sin it is still a sin. And it said that with some of those if you know that it is a sin and still do it has a greater punisment than when you do not know it is a sin. These people who have done terrorist attacks in the name of Allah, which means God, I believe have been brainwashed to believe that this is what Allah is telling them to do. But, since they day they could read, they had been constantly told to memorize the Koran and by doing so, they have much greater faith than a mustard seed in what they believe. But, alas, from what I have seen, it faith they have, not love.

But, if you think about it, Muhamud had holy wars. Now, correct if I'm wrong, but when he converted the Middle-East, he did it through holy wars in fact forcing his belief onto others. So, the terrorists of today are basically following the example of supposedly the 'last prophet', Muhamud, by waging holy wars against the infidels. That could be part of the reason they are doing what they are doing.

Now, bringing up another idea, when they die in the act of terrorism, what is God going to say to them? Well, I believe that in the Bible it says something about that when people come to the Lord on the day they die, God will deny them entry to the kingdom of God. They will reply, "But we did many miracles in your name, preached about you." God will reply to them, "I did not even know you!" I'm not sure exactly where each of these are found and I may be a little bit off on some of them but I think that is the general idea.

#16 Jul 09th 2006, 9:58am

I believe it is "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,'shall enter the the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'"

Matthew 7:21-22

#17 Jul 09th 2006, 10:51am

MrBillyD

The week before last, I woke up around 2 in the morning, filled with the Holy Spirit. I thought that the Lord wanted me to pray about something, but I wasn't sure what. Then I thought of all the terrible things that I'd seen reported on the TV News. I thought that He wanted me to pray about that. What I prayed was that the Lord would restrain the devil, and bind him, so that no one who was planning to harm anyone, would succeed. I prayed that all attempts to harm anyone in anyway, would fail.

Then when I got up in the morning, and turned on the News, I saw the reports about the two car bombs in London, that didn't go off. Then the next day, there was the failed attempt to blow up the air terminal in Glasgow Scotland. I had prayed that no attempts to harm anyone would succeed, and those three attempts failed. No credit for this should be given to me. All I did was pray, and God did the rest.

This is what I think we all should do. There are now reports in the news, that Al Caida Terror Cells are here, and ready to launch major attacks this Summer. What I'm suggesting, is that we put these theological debates aside. We should all instead pray, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and ask God the Father Almighty, to send forth the Holy Spirit, and stop any and all terrorist attacks from occuring. In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

#18 Jul 14th 2007, 7:26am

Amen.

#19 Jul 14th 2007, 2:21pm

spiritstallion

I agree. I don't like it when people get hurt or die even those that i don't know at all

#20 Jan 30th 2009, 6:54pm

Aye. No one can judge who deserves to die.

#21 Jan 30th 2009, 6:58pm

spiritstallion

That is true. I still wish my grandpa was alive though I miss him so much!

#22 Jan 30th 2009, 7:05pm

Atarah Derek

www.vombooks.com. There's a book for sale called "Jesus, Friend to Terrorists," in which Richard Wurmbrand talks about how we can show terrorists that it is possible to turn their patriotic love from destructive causes to the cause of Christ. Wurmrand has frequently mentioned how the most intense persecutors make the most intense Christians when God gets ahold of their hearts.

#23 Feb 01st 2009, 12:30pm

Sweet. :)

#24 Feb 01st 2009, 12:41pm

spiritstallion

That is cool.

#25 Feb 02nd 2009, 2:56pm

ImagingThings

we can show terrorists that it is possible to turn their patriotic love from destructive causes to the cause of Christ.

Or any other good cause!

#26 Oct 13th 2009, 1:47am

Atarah Derek

Or any other good cause!

By extension, yes. Any truly good cause is part of the cause of Christ. But the fact is that what you do, what you demonstrate passion and support for, is a direct reflection of your heart's condition. In order to turn a terrorist to a "good cause," they first need a change of heart. And history has demonstrated repeatedly that Jesus is the only one capable of effecting such a change.

#27 Oct 13th 2009, 12:13pm

believer in christ

Islam, like all other religion that denies our lord Jesus Christ, is that of the Devil. Do not be fooled. All that want to do is kill us God fearing people. But do not be afraid. I will help us all by getting the government to ban such an evil religion.

#28 Nov 15th 2009, 6:21pm

walang pangalan

I'm not an expert on Islam but I think 'All that want to do is kill us God fearing people.' is a gross generalization of all Muslims. I have had two Muslim classmates and they never threatened me in any way. They know I am Catholic.

How can you make the government ban a religion? Do you remember the First Amendment?

#29 Nov 15th 2009, 11:00pm

My best friend is Muslim and he has always only treated me with respect.

#30 Nov 16th 2009, 5:47am

Atarah Derek

Where do you live, BiC?

#31 Nov 16th 2009, 2:14pm

believer in christ

America, the greatest God fearing nation on this mortal earth. Why is that?

#32 Nov 16th 2009, 8:10pm