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chibisanzoTopic: To start it off : The woes of writing Tsuzuki Hi all //waves//Hopefully this will start off a nice discussion. I've always had a problem writing an in-character Tsuzuki. He's chibified and cheerful and wagging tails one minute, and serious and dramatic and upset the next. I love him, but it's incredibly difficult to do that transition from a hyper Tsuzuki to a dead serious one. I salute authors who can and pull it off with such incredible feat. So my question is, to other Yami authors out there, who in general do you find the toughest to write, and why? Maybe I emphatize with Hisoka in the sense that the both of us don't get Tsuzuki sometimes (lol) so it's so much easier to write Hisoka, because I understand him. Your thoughts are very much appreaciated. | #1 Dec 21st 2005, 12:46am | |
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Rogue KyneI can pretty much relate to Hisoka and Tsuzuki a whole lot. Writing Tsuzuki can be difficult because we don't know much about his past and what makes him sensitive or cold to whatever he may come across. So, while I can relate to Tsuzuki he is still difficult to write about in a way. If we knew more about him... he might be more easier to write about. Same goes for a few other characters. |
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Whispers of a GhostThe problem with writing Tsuzuki is that it's hard to get his personality down to pat. He has so many sides, and people tend to focus too much on one particular side in fanfiction: either his dark side, his angst side, or his silly-normal-mode side.The two characters I have trouble writing the most are Tatsumi and Watari. ::sighs:: Tatsumi's hard to get, and Watari's just out there for me. |
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StarzaPretty much what Ghost said, people focus more on one aspect of his personality than all sides of it. I find Hisoka easy to write mainly because I can empathize with him more than any YnM character, so I tend to write fanfiction focused on him. I can't really related to Tatsumi or Watari, hence they are usually absent from my stories. Watari especially since my personality and his pretty much clash. :X |
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SaetonLaChapelleI have problems with Hisoka alot. (Which is horrible cause in my fanfiction Hisoka is the main character!) Probably because he two has many sides. Usually he is very cold but knowing, but those random moments that he shows any kind of emotion erk me. _ |
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chibisanzoYeah, I suppose that's true. Much has yet to be revealed about Tsuzuki and his sister and what really happened.With Hisoka, at least, we do know a little bit about his family background. | #6 Dec 25th 2005, 12:21am | |
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LadybugNixieSpeaking of Family background and Hisoka, am I the only one who imagines his family abused him and his father raped him? Anyways, back to the topic. I think thay can all be difficult to write depending on the situation they are in. Personally, I find Tatsumi and Watari the hardest to write because you know almost nothing about their past.As for Tsuzuki, I think he is actually an extremely serious character and one who isn't happy as often as he appears. I believe he hids behind a mask of happiness and ignorance. As for his past, all that I know is that he was outcasted by everyone and experimented on by Muraki's grandfather because of his unusual eyes and his ability to heal. I would assume that Tsuzuki's desire to protect comes from him not wanting to see any suffer the way he did. His reluctance to hurt anyone comes from him not wanting to be perceived as a monster anymore. With Hisoka, the way he was treated by his family and then raped and killed by Muraki has made him highly distrusting of other people. On top of that, he likely hates his empathy abilities. I could see him hating them because of the way he was treated for having them. This would likely make controlling them next to impossible, which could drive him to avoid people so he doesn't have to put up with feeling other people's emotions. Still, Hisoka is just a child, and every child hold a desire to be loved. He is a curious boy who tries to close himself off from the world. Or at least, that is how it appears to me. | #7 May 27th 2006, 5:20pm . Edited May 27th 2006, 5:21pm | |
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chibisanzoThat's an interesting way of seeing it. I like your view of Tsuzuki, and I think you've put it to words better than I ever could. Other than the experimentation by Muraki's grandfather though, I do wonder about his sister, and whether it played a part in moulding his personality to the way he is now. Something definitely happened to her, but I wonder whether he played a part in her death.| #8 Jun 18th 2006, 12:50pm | |
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coco melancholyI agree strongly with Ladybug and Chibisanzo.I think Tsuzuki is an abosolute NIGHTMARE to write, I hail anyone that can write him in character. The guy kills me. And he changes between arcs and everything. He is defintely one of the overall hardest characters in anime to write. |
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UyukiI don't know why so many people have troubles with Tsuzuki. I think he's, all things considered, easy to write. I mean, Hisoka is better... but Tsuzuki is not complicated. If you know a person who is depressive you can write Tsuzuki like silk. He is exactly like them, and they are not complicated.On the other hand, I find Muraki a hell to write. You can't get him write, either you put him too sadistic or too into Tsuzuki or too dark. You can't get the right Muraki at all. At least I can't. He is weird, he has all this feelings that you don't know how to handle. He is a murderer, but he can love. I hate to write him. | #10 Sep 10th 2006, 9:56am | |
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LadybugNixieThat makes you and I exact opposites. I find Muraki and Hisoka the easiest to write. This may be because my mind it rather extremely dark and twisted and I have a sadistic side the scares the crap out of even me sometimes, but I just can't seem to get Tsuzuki right. I have a tendency to write him as overtly happy, and not because he's hiding his pain or anything, that's just the way it comes out.And I must say, I feel ... ... well, I don't really know how to describe it. Insulted isn't right, but it feels like the closest I can come. There is no reason for the feeling. lol ... Maybe I should explain a little. I am an extemely depressed person most of the time, not to the point of suicide or anything drastic like that (Suicide is just stupid if you ask me) but depressed still, and Tsuzuki is, as already stated, hard as hell to write. Maybe that's because it IS complicated. The wild torrent of emotions swirling around, but trying to hide it all behind a smile. Maybe he's so hard for me to write, because I feel we have to much in common, and I could never write myself as a character. I know I'm complicated, everyone tells me so, and I guess it's hardest for us to understand ourselves, so maybe it makes perfect sense that I have trouble writing Tsuzuki. Oh well, Now I feel like this reply is all dark and depressing. Sorry if it is, that wasn't my intent. Come to think of it, ... what was my intent. Huh? I'll have ta get back ta ya on that one. | #11 Oct 28th 2006, 3:47pm | |
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UyukiWell, at least everyone seems to find Hisoka easy to write. I never meant to offend anyone, my English is not really good since I'm from Mexico, and I tend to put some words that mean something completely different in English, or my sentences sound too hard. I just meant that, since my cousin is also a very deppresive person, is not a surprise for me that one day she is happy and the next she is all gloomy. Those changes come normal to me now because I've known her for years. And I feel Tsuzuki is the same, he can be happy at one second and sad at the other, without apparent reason, that's why I said that if you know a deppresive person it comes easier, because like ir or not, you see those changes every now and then. Nevertheless, I imagine that if you are a emotional person, it should be really difficult to write because, in the end you are writing your own emotions. And usually, no ones wants to do that in the end. It wasn't a dark reply at all ^^. But again, it wasn't like I meant to offend anyone, I was just givin my opinion on my own experiences. | #12 Oct 31st 2006, 8:42am | |
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TerraAftershockPersonally, I think that Tsuzuki is like Muraki in one sense: it's kind of hard to write about them without making them one-dimensional. My advice is to read phsychology books. They give some interesting ideas and plot bunnies (or, at least, I think so). Then again, I've pretty much made psychological profiles of how I want those two to act in my fan fics (sometimes I think I put too much thought into it).Also, I want to post how I think Tsuzuki views Hisoka and Muraki: Hisoka is the only person who has told Tsuzuki that he needs him. So out of their love and their need to be loved by each other comes a bond of unconditional love. Oh, and I do think that there is some attraction between the two, but nothing they'd ever act on (plz don't hate me, Tsu/Soka fans). On to Muraki. Tsuzuki definatly is attracted to Muraki, but it's something involuntary, and something Tsuzuki doesn't really like (again, don't kill me). All this is just IMHO. | #13 Jan 12th 2007, 5:40pm | |
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chibisanzoWell I hope no one is that easily offended then ^^;; It is a place to share thoughts after all.You have interesting viewpoints. I had an "Ahh!! Sou daa!" moment after reading your reply. I can definitely see Tsuzuki as attaching himself to Hisoka so closely because he feels like he is important and of use in some value to him. I have the feeling that Tsuzuki might not ever want to act on his attraction to Hisoka because he might be afraid of hurting whatever they have. | #14 Jan 16th 2007, 8:48am | |
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LadybugNixieYou needn't worry about offense, Uyuki. I think you're right. As an emotional person, I can say with certainty that writing certain characters (the ones I feel I relate to too much) is ... well, impossible. I feel like if I write the person to character, I would be throwing all that I've done to hide my pain to the wind. I don't want people to worry about me, so I hide what I feel is ... unimportant. I think Tsuzuki does the same and I think, to a point, I'm scared to write Tsuzuki. Scared that someone reading it would see those traits in me and discover "My Secret".Heh, I think I'm rambling again. I only meant to say that your entry didn't offend me (or anyone else I think) | #15 Jan 20th 2007, 9:07pm | |
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Cages for BluebirdsAh. Actually, I find it rather fascinating that none of your seem to have much difficulty implementing Hisoka's character. However, I find that I am really quite blunt about character intricacies, and witness many missing subtle cues relative to his character. Perhaps it is because I read too much into movies, novels, and other artistic forms of expression and story telling. However, I will be honest and admit I have never really had much trouble with any of them. I am not positive as to why, but over time I was able to relate rather closely to all of them in at least one dimension of their personality. At one point, my main issue was encapsulating Watari's mind, but even his thought processes and motivations became quickly clear to me after a first stab at a particular story that encased his musings. Perhaps it is because character is vastly important to me in every form of expression, that I managed to somehow implement their characters evenly. (Perhaps not flawlessly, but certainly clear enough to admit to being a good study.) Hum. However, I will admit that most point out my development of Hisoka over all else, but that does not seem terribly surprising on my behalf as I relate to him rather fascinatingly well. As much is said about my study of Tatsumi's character, as well. So, I suppose that is my two cents. I will full-heartedly admit, however, outside my originals and this series, I find it vastly more difficult to encapsulate other characters. (Oh, dear. Quite seriously, my completed novel rather attests to that. After all, I am their parent.) | #16 Aug 19th 2007, 1:46pm | |
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ShinigamixGirlWell..I would interpert that all the characters act differently during a specific happening. Such as taking Tsuzuki as an example. Tsuzuki is always either hyper or serious or angasting as everyone says. But that really depends on the event thats happening. He's usually hyper when he has sweets and nothing serious is going on and life is 'normal' for him. When he's serious its when something important is happening and that must get his attention immediately. And when he's angasting is when something happened to make him sad, like when he's reminded of his past.I think I just kind of stated t he obvious...sorry.>_< | #17 Nov 23rd 2007, 1:08pm | |
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TrisakAminawnAnd Tsuzuki also has a 'big brother mode' where he teases people relentlessly, and another version of same where he gets protective without angsting, and a mode where you'd swear he actually was the main character of a detective series, and one where he gets thoughtful and smiley, and a temper that, when it's moved to real anger, smashes things. His 'cute and useless' mode often stays switched on straight through crises, very irritatingly. He actually is very hard; you can't get stuck in a rut with him but have to keep an eye on him to make sure you've cycled him through a lot of ways of being. He isn't even always stupid! Only usually. It's nuts. Mostly because Matsushita-san does whatever she feels like with him. So he does all kinds of things. He's easy to write without trying; it's just that then you write him badly; same for Muraki. (And sometimes Matsushita writes them that way, especially Tsuzuki. v.v Her characterization of her own guys is often so sloppy... When the dead people who work with the deceased all the time managed to be afraid of a ghost in volume six, I was apalled.) Hisoka's easier than the others because his behavior isn't as extreme, so Matsushita hasn't put him through so many hard-to-reconcile hoops, but even he has aspects to his character that don't get enough attention. Watari is easiest because, despite his character profile claiming hidden depths, he's really simple. On a vaguely-related note, even Terazuma is wronged. He has serious issues with both the main characters, but for the few panels before he found out Hisoka was Tsuzuki's partner, he was both 'cool' and 'not unfriendly.' I expect that in his day-to-day life he does almost no snarling. (Despite the obvious sexual frustration inherent in being an extremely straight man who can't touch women.) Soooo...even if we were all as lucky as Cages, understanding these guys from the start, care is necessary. | #18 Jul 20th 2008, 8:35pm | |
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