i-I can't believe it! - CLoud and Aerith's Love Story Forum

Topic: i-I can't believe it!

I totally just got mocked and shot down by fellow Cloriths for simply asking a question. ; ;

#1 Apr 26th 2008, 8:19am

WTF?? where??

#2 Apr 26th 2008, 10:54am

At the Cloud x Aerith forums.

I'm ephemeral july on there, btw.

Turns out what Rasengan Rain was claiming is not true.

Also turns out that some Cloriths are really mean . . .

One of them accused me of being a rabid Cloti troll.

#3 Apr 26th 2008, 11:15am

oh, pLease teLL me the URL...

#4 Apr 26th 2008, 11:17am

It's closed now, but okay.

Maybe they thought I was a rabid Cloti because of my avatar?

It's a pretty pic of Tifa in Aerith's church.^^

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?showtopic=8117

#5 Apr 26th 2008, 11:21am

have you seen me there?

i'm aLso cLerith raven there... hehe...

#6 Apr 26th 2008, 11:23am

Yeah, I've been shot down before by fellow Clerith fans, just because I've said that I do not hate Tifa, but like her. *rolls eyes* It's stupid how mean your own fellow shippers can be so judegemental. I hope you feel better here, Secretbox. Btw, I like your avatar.

#7 Apr 26th 2008, 2:09pm

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#8 Apr 26th 2008, 6:09pm . Edited Apr 29th 2008, 12:22pm

Erm, I don't really see that as proof or comfirmation of anything.

"Nojima was clearly talking about LOCATIONS when he made that statement. As in, yes, Cloud and Tifa would be together at the Seventh Heaven, in Edge. At the same place. This quote is talking about locations, not relationships. It doesn't say anything about Cloud and Tifa's feelings for one another."

I think Kuraudo-san did a good enough job replying to this.^^

#9 Apr 26th 2008, 7:21pm

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#10 Apr 26th 2008, 8:34pm . Edited Apr 29th 2008, 12:22pm

Nomura said she's a sweetheart, pretty much. Cloud isn't ANYWHERE on the page! xD I'm pretty sure he was saying that she is a sweetheart, her personality, that is. D=

This same document describes Tifa as 'a sort of mother to big-kid Cloud', AND that Tifa behaves 'much like any other woman that has been left behind by a man'. Not to mention loads of other things that describe Cloud and Tifa's relationship to each other as 'not romantic', to put it lightly.

#11 Apr 26th 2008, 8:57pm

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#12 Apr 26th 2008, 10:30pm . Edited Apr 29th 2008, 12:21pm

No offense, but I never challenged you.

Your cousin is the one who came here and challenged us; not the other way around.

Which to be honest, none of us really appreciated. =/

As I have stated before, I always thought of this forum in particular as a place for fellow Cloriths to gather and gush about their choice FFVII OTP. It is labelled as such for a reason, no?

I think it's obvious we're never going to see eye to eye, so maybe we should just drop it?

LTD's are so tiring. XD

#13 Apr 26th 2008, 10:43pm

I feel the need to not only come to Cloud and Aerith's defense, but Secretbox's as well. So here goes nothing.

It's not that I mean to rude or anything, but this is a Cloud and Aerith forum, and if you feel the need to challenge us, do it in a forum that specifically for that kind of nonsense. No side is ever going to win when SE is so friggin' vague on everything he says, let alone the game itself. You can have your pretends about Cloud/Tifa and we can have on what we see is the truth. So, if you don't like what we're saying, you can leave. As simple as that. It's not that I don't appreciate a good debate, just not in a place that is just for Clerith fans such as myself, cLerith raven, and Secretbox. None of us are up to debating in this forum.

#14 Apr 26th 2008, 10:59pm

Thank you~!

That's exactly what I wanted/yearned/tried desperately to say, but I guess I'm just not as elegant when it comes to words as you are, pinkpower.

You really do have a way with words, though. I'm practically green with envy. ♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥

The fact is, we are never going to agree when it comes to the LTD. & I'd rather not be on negative terms with someone simply because we have differing pairing preferences.

So .. yeah. xD

#15 Apr 26th 2008, 11:18pm

No problem, Secretbox. I didn't think my post was that good, but your comment just makes my day (erm...well, it's pretty much dark over here right now, but you get the point.)

Negative terms aren't really speciality. I like being nice. Maybe if this had been two years ago, I'd be up to the fight, but what can I say, I'm pretty secure in my Clerith pairing, so I don't feel the need to debate, argue, or whatever you feel like calling it. To me, debating over whether or not there's actual proof or not over any couple could either mean two things.

One: You're not comfortable in your own shipping and are merely trying to prove their greatness to yourself rather than the opponent, especially if you're a rabid fan.

Two: It's really hard to accept that somebody likes something other than your pairing and are merely trying convert them into thinking what you think.

I know some of you will look at this and say I'm wrong on both accounts, but you see, I know the human brain all too well. Heck, I am a human, aren't I?

Cloud+Aerith= A tragic love story that somehow turns out with happy forever. *cheers* Yay!

Cloud+Tifa= "Maybe if I wear more black, I'll blend into the darkness that is Tifa's home," Cloud says, hiding in a closet while Tifa looks for him.

Hmm...well, don't like the opinion, I suggest you keep you keep it to yourself. While I like being nice, being petty isn't that bad either.

Cloud+Leon or Zack= HE'S NOT GAY!!!

Cloud+Anybody else= Look up the word disaster in dictionary and then come talk to me.

Aerith+Anybody else= I hope whomever those people are have some serious fighting skills. They're gonna need it when Cloud comes in with his awesome sword.

#16 Apr 26th 2008, 11:41pm

The thing is, I totally agree with you.

& I'm not saying that just to say that either.

Want me to let you in on a little secret?

My first experience debating over the LT was actually here -- with Rasengan Rain and Sabaku no Sana. If you can call it that anyway.

That's why I really feel no need to argue about it. I'm firm in my belief that CloudxAerith is canon, and if other people want to disagree with me then it's fine. Just do it in the appropriate place, you know? Although I probably shouldn't have let it go on and far as it did.

Debating really has brought out an ugly side in me that I don't like very much.

#17 Apr 27th 2008, 12:38am

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#18 Apr 27th 2008, 1:20am . Edited Apr 29th 2008, 12:20pm

All I'm going to say is that your cousin came here knowing it was a CLORITH forum for CLORITHS and she posted ANTI-CLORITH comments.

I mean, come on; that would be like me going into a specifally labelled Cloti forum and posting anti-Cloti comments.

Asking for trouble, in other words. =/

What would your reaction be? & I hardly doubt that you wouldn't be at least a tad bit annoyed or frustrated. Because I know I certainly was.

Ugh. If Raina would have just stayed the heck out of here then we wouldn't have even ended up debating with you in the first place.

Like I said before, we are all free to have our own opinions. While I do believe Cloud loves Tifa, I don't think he loves her the way he loves Aerith. But in the end it's all up to interpretation. So please don't call us rabids just because our opinion differs from yours.

#19 Apr 27th 2008, 1:48am

arguing is not good ^^

#20 Apr 27th 2008, 2:16am . Edited Apr 29th 2008, 12:20pm

Cloud and Aerith have a love that goes on after death, high above the sun, and the stars will never be able to catch up with them. Cloud lingers on his feelings of total darkness, but Aerith has always managed to pull him back into the light. Both in FF and in KH.

There's no such thing as proof that contradict anothers. An opinion is an opinion. Whether you believe that your proof automatically blows the other proof out of the water is how you see it, but is not how others may see it.

And KH, I believe is enough proof for Cloud and Aerith, since that's my first encounter with them and the relationship was obviously implied, whether it had anything to Final Fantasy or not. Meanwhile, Cloud is on the run from Tifa throughout his time spent in Hollow Bastion and he winces at her light. I know I've said that love is blind, but I never meant literally. Therefore, Cloud and Tifa are a no no for me.

#21 Apr 27th 2008, 8:49am

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#22 Apr 27th 2008, 9:19am . Edited Apr 29th 2008, 12:19pm

Well, if I wasn't offended before, now I am.

I don't want to start a war on who Cloud loves, both woman love him, whether they were alive or not. True love goes beyond the grave. Love is love whether you realize when you're alive or after you die. I don't want to dismiss your ideas on CloTi, and I'm not trying to, but why should I not want to dismiss it when this is Clerith forum, and here, it's safe to dismiss it all I want. I'm not purposely trying to, it's a reflex. While I'm secure in my Cloud/Aerith perfect pairing, it doesn't mean I won't stand up for them if I need to.

And once again, you see it as we have nothing, I see that as total bull. Okay, even if SE has left me behind, I know tons and tons of fellow Clerith fans that will gladly back me up.

#23 Apr 27th 2008, 9:36am

honestLy, i'm not Liking how things are being said in here...

i've got ome things to say, but i'LL just mention some since the others have said what i wanted to say...

this was a CLerith forum... but since i aLready said that CLoTi's are weLcome, i just wish no one wouLd question what the other beLieves in... there are CLerith's here, so what would happen if a CLoTi came and posted?? i weLcomed Raina cause i don't want to be rude... but if that weLcome mad ethings compLicated, then i'LL have to post a ruLe that no debating is aLLowed...

two things i'm sure about:

1. i'm going to be a CLerith for Life... maybe CLoud is moving on with Tifa, but what the heck, it's not gonna be bad for CLoTi's if CLoud did Love Aerith and vice versa... if you CLoTi's say that he's moving on with Tifa, then that means he Lingered in the death of Aerith... both sides can be correct, nothing is wrong, but the way i see it... we here don't want any debates... not everyone Likes to debate and prove something... we aLready beLieve in CLerith strongLy, why do we need to debate? it's not that we don't Like to be chaLLenged, the proof for CLerith is something of an opinion, and same goes with CLoTi... no one can say that he/she is Looking at both perspectives of CLerith and CLoTi... no one is that perfect... there wiLl aLways be thet tad bit that wiLL deny that so-caLLed proof even if that proof is right in her face... it depends on the person if he/she'LL beLieve it, isn't it? if one chooses to be bLind, it's gonna be his/her probLem right?

2. i wanna Lock this topic... sorry if it seems to be rude, but debates are just fLying up...

LOCKED!!

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siLLy me, it seems i can't Lock this one... i think onLy the poster of the topic can do so... haha, my mistake... but pLease, Leave this topic... no debates....

#24 Apr 27th 2008, 9:52am . Edited Apr 27th 2008, 9:55am

i forgot to add this one...

I WILL SO TOTALLY BACK-UP ANY CLERITH WHO GETS BASHED... IF SE LEFT US, THEN CLOTI'S CAN LEAVE US ALONE... WE HAVE OUR OPINIONS... LIKE PINKPOWER SAID, CLERITH'S WILL BACK EACH OTHER UP... THANK YOU AND GOOD DAY!!!

PEACE OUT!!!

#25 Apr 27th 2008, 9:53am

Ah! Secret-san you got shot down?! -pulls out shotgun-

Ooh..I'll get'em.

I love Tifa! She's so pretty and nice. ^^

I like Cloti, but I love Clerith. It's my first and true love. -shiny eyes-

#26 Apr 30th 2008, 7:12pm

Hi Miss Aerith! Here's a virtual cookie! I hope you like it here on this forum.

#27 Apr 30th 2008, 7:18pm

I'm sure I will. Thanks! ^-^

I don't like rabid fans of either ship. It bugs me.

I like both. -is shot down brutally-

#28 Apr 30th 2008, 7:21pm

You're not gonna get me, are you Miss Aerith? I'm not rabid, I'm just a dingbat who jumped the gun because she's a hothead with a maternal streak.

I'm friendly! Really! Oh man...

Anyway, I like both, too. I've been reading more Clerith fics lately. I think the first one I ever read was Alive, by With A Smile. ^^ Wasn't that one dedicated to you? But yeah, I like Cloud/Aerith. *has an idea*

#29 Apr 30th 2008, 7:31pm

Yes, Alive was dedicated to me. :)

And no, you seem perfectly kind to me, Suna-san. :)

Hee-hee. Aw, cute Zerith icon. I like it. :3

I've been using mostly Aerith icons, but I thought I should branch out. -sweatdrop-

#30 Apr 30th 2008, 7:42pm

Hee-hee. Aw, cute Zerith icon. I like it. :3

Thanks, Miss Aerith. ^^ The one I had before was pretty cute, too. It was Aerith hugging Zack from behind, like what she does in CC. They are so adorable together. ^^

#31 Apr 30th 2008, 9:03pm

Okay, okay, so Aerith and Zack are kind of cute together, possibly, ever since I saw Crisis Core. It's obvious he's a ladies' man, but he obviously felt something for Aerith. And talk about a pick-up line too, "An angel?" Smoothe. Better than Cloud's reaction, I must say. *sighs in defeat* Just had to go and get yourself killed, didn't you Zack? I'll forgive since it was for Cloud. *le sigh*

Anywho, I really can't say I'm a huge Aerith and Zack fan, but I can admit to them being adorkable together, but Cloud and Aerith... Now that's a match made in Hea...erm...the Promise Land. *giggles*

As for CloTi fans, as long as they're not rabid and don't bash Aerith, they're cool with me even if we may have our differences. If we can agree to disagree, then it's just fine with me. As for the actual pairings, er, well, I'm not too fond of them together, but it's not like I can blame anybody for liking them together. But what can I say? It feels like fate was the thing that made fall in love with Clerith! *girlish giggle*

#32 Apr 30th 2008, 9:14pm

Aerith sure is unlucky in love, though, huh? I feel so bad for her. The guy she loved dies, then she dies and loses her chance with the other guy. Can't catch a break, can she?

#33 May 01st 2008, 12:39am

hiya, Miss Aerith!!!

rabids kinda give the others who support the same coupLe as they do a bad name... so immature...

hmmm... Zerith is cute... but CLerith is reaLLy my type of coupLe... Zack's just too... i dunno, happy? ahaha... Like pinkpower said, i do beLieve that they're a match made in the... Promised Land, i guess... ahaha...

weLL... nice to meet you Miss Aerith!! hope you Like this forum!!

#34 May 01st 2008, 11:53am

they really ARE aren't they? ^^

thank you. i'll enjoy this.

I love Clerith because it shows a sweet bubbly girl loving someone and trying to add life and brightness to their life.

I like Cloti because it's about a girl who selflessly loves someone who doesn't want to be loved and is trying to heal him all by herself. (I hate Tifa bashers!!)

Aw, yay Zerith! I love most Aerith couples. ^^

Obviously, hee-hee.

#35 May 01st 2008, 2:06pm

I love most Aerith couples. ^^

Me, too. These are the ones I really, really like.

Aerith and:

Zack, Cloud, Vincent, Tseng, Reno, Rufus, Sephiroth, Kadaj, Yazoo

(KH) Leon, Riku, Axel

I can't remember any other ones. But Aerith is easy to pair up. She's just got a good personality for it. ^^

#36 May 01st 2008, 2:18pm

CloTi, to me, is just a one-sided love, but possibly, a two-sided romance. Cloud could have felt soemthing for awhile, but it dissapeared somewhere down the line, despite what the Case of Tifa says. I don't think bashing is good on any term, but I still do it with characters. I know. I'm a hypocrite, but there are just some characters in movies, books, shows, etc that get under my skin. But not Tifa. Tifa is cool, because I think her love for Cloud really showed what a great person she was. Vulnerable, but tough. Hardcore, but she does know how to let people into her life. While Cloud was more so emo than she was. That's why he has Aerith!

I like a lot of guys with Aerith, but I just really can't understand her Sephiroth. It just boggles me. I don't cringe when I hear that people actually like them, I just go, "Huh? I don't get it." It's like trying to solve a math problem to me. No offense to the fans, though. It's just he killed her and there's no going back after that. *shrugs* Don't feel bad, though. I don't get other relationships like that: Hades/Meg, Jafar/Jasmine, and more like that. But if you are a fan of those couples, once again, no offense.

For Aerith, I guess my two favorite pairings for her is Cloud (duh!) and Leon. I just think those two are the best. The flower girl and the emo boy. Pink and black. Flowers and weeds. But still, Cloud will always come in at number one for Aerith in my book!

#37 May 01st 2008, 2:31pm

No, I can't understand using the canon events in Final Fantasy VII and pairing Aerith with Sephiroth. I like their looks and personalities together, pre- Sephiroth going insane and trying to become a god, anyway. I like stories with this pairing that deal with the "what-if" As in JenesisX's Irony of Fate, that deals with what may have happened if Sephiroth had found out that Lucrecia was his mother, not Jenova. That he wasn't created the way he thought he was, which was what made him go insane in the first place.

As for the Cloti thing, I don't see it as a one-sided love. The fact that they based their mutual feelings off of the Lifestream and Highwind events says to me that Cloud never got over his feelings for her. But that's another thing altogether.

My favorite pairing for Aerith is Zack. They loved each other, and their dynamic was really good. Second for me is Tseng. I love their interactions in the game. ^^

#38 May 01st 2008, 3:01pm

ooookay... i'm currentLy resisting the urge to question something... ahaha... i don't want debates, anyways... wahehe...

i guess the Spehiroth/Aerith is another what if... ahehe...

#39 May 01st 2008, 4:24pm

Even a Sephirot/Aerith what if goes over my head. I just don't get the villians and heriones pairings ever. I would have to feel bad for Sephiroth if I ever liked him with Aerith, and I don't. He killed her and to me, that's that. Even if he found Jenova wasn't his mother, I still think his destiny and Aerith's would just clash and go KABOOM! and not in a good way. While we choose our own fate, I just think that Sephiroth would be a villian no matter what. He had a really bad childhood, so what? I had a bad childhood way worse than his, and I don't want to destroy the world. And killed Aerith!!! I so don't feel sorry for him after that. He took away any chances of Clerith wedding (on Earth *wink*) No offense. I'm not trying to start a debate, I just really really do not get it.

For Cloti, you see it your way, and I'll see it my way. There's no helping our different points of view.

I can see why somebody would like Aerith and Zack together. The love is obviously there, but I dunno, I was in love with Clerith long before I ever knew there was a Zack.

#40 May 01st 2008, 4:43pm

I can see why somebody would like Aerith and Zack together. The love is obviously there, but I dunno, I was in love with Clerith long before I ever knew there was a Zack.

agreed...

#41 May 01st 2008, 4:53pm

I don't really care for Zach all that much.

I don't hate him per se, but when someone says something like "Zack is the real hero of FFVII, Cloud sucks" I'm like WHAT? -___-;;; He is in no way better than Cloud, if you ask me.

Zerith is cute, but in a vanilla sort of way. Aka blahh -- nothing terribly special .. I guess I just don't feel it.

Plus it seems unrequited now, what with Aerith telling Zach he's too much of a lady's man and stoof.

The rabid Zach fans always get on my nerves, too. .

#42 May 01st 2008, 5:49pm

While Zack is really cool and is a hero, I don't think he is the hero of FFVII. No, that's Cloud. I mean, that's like saying Star Wars is all 3PO, which it isn't. I think Zack is cool, but he does not surpass Cloud in my eyes. That and I'm a Cloud fangirl! Eep!

I guess I just don't get Zerith... Even if a person logically explained it to me, I would still go, "What is this language you speak," or "What planet are you from." But I wouldn't be sarcastic or mocking that person, I would seriously be lost. I'd be asking them solemnly.

I've never come across any rabid Zack fans before.

#43 May 01st 2008, 6:09pm

I could see someone being annoyed by Zack in Maiden, but he really isn't like that. Aerith is the only girl he ever wrote to his parents about, and he definitely planned on meeting Aerith again and picking up where they left off. As far as Aerith's side, Maiden contradicts events in CC, and CC trumps Maiden as far as canon goes, so...

I really like what I've read and seen of their interaction so far. They were sweet to each other, and they interacted like they were a married couple.

I don't understand, however, anyone taking away credit from Cloud. There are really people like that, huh? Zack is awesome, but Cloud is the man. Best hero ever. ^^

#44 May 01st 2008, 6:25pm . Edited Jun 18th 2008, 1:27am

CC also contradicts the actual game though, doesn't it?

I mean, I never got why Aerith said they weren't serious, and then in CC it was a whole other story.

I've met rabid Zach fanboys that say Cloud is a mere rip-off of his character.

But in REALITY REALITY it's the other way around.

#45 May 01st 2008, 6:29pm

CC miffs me. nuff said.

Fanboys? Why am I not surprised that they can be just as rabid?

Yes, in reality, it is the other way around, because of Aerith's line on her date with Cloud, I think, but hey, Cloud's awesome, and Zack's okay.

And this is just a thought, but Cloud kind of looks like a football player in CC, doesn't he? I dunno, just being random over here.

#46 May 01st 2008, 6:36pm

CC also contradicts the actual game though, doesn't it?

I mean, I never got why Aerith said they weren't serious, and then in CC it was a whole other story.

Actually, even in the game, there are hints that Aerith was more serious with Zack than she let on. So it doesn't contradict the game any. There's the fact that her mother sends Cloud away just because he's in SOLDIER, telling him that the last thing Aerith needs is to be hurt again. Her feelings for Cloud revolved around her feelings for Zack in the game, and Maiden is the only thing that addresses her feelings for the real Cloud. It states in CC that the reason she had such feelings for Cloud in the game was because of her feelings for Zack.

I guess it'd be pretty easy to think that they were just a fling going by the game, though. But the hints are there. You just can't take Aerith's word for it, though, because she's the kind of person to keep up a cheerful front even when she's down. The only time she ever lets it slip is in Cosmo Canyon.

They just hadn't worked Zack's personality or story out at that time, since they didn't know they'd ever give him his own game.

Sephiroth wasn't a villain until he went mad, though. And yes, he had a bad childhood, but up until he began to think he was created the same way those monsters in Nibel went, he was a troubled man but not an evil one. So that's why a what-if in which Sephiroth walks a different path is an entirely plausible scenerio for AeriSeph. But if you don't dig it, then that's that. ^^

I haven't seen CC Cloud yet, so I dunno if he looks like a football player or not. ^^

#47 May 01st 2008, 6:46pm . Edited May 01st 2008, 7:15pm

A lot of the time the game goes over my head. Aerith said that she loved Cloud more than she ever did (which I believe), but wait a minute, but that was only because he reminded her so much of Zack. To that I go, "Make up you mind already!" I think Cloud and Aerith are perfect for each other and they were in love, but sadly, it was taken away from them all too sudden. I think had she lived, it would be proven to everybody (and not just the Cleriths) that Aerith ends up loving Cloud for Cloud despite what Maiden and CC might say. So things contradict each other in my eyes.

#48 May 01st 2008, 8:18pm

It's not that confusing, though. ^^ Maiden is the only thing that contradicts, and that's understanable because he(Benny Matsuyama) had nothing to do with FFVII. He was asked for an interpretation and explained things as he a)saw them, or b)as he wanted them to be. Square was never obliged to hold to what he wrote, and they haven't.

So, Cloud and Aerith lost their chance to find out what could have been between them. It's jumping the gun to say they were already in love. I'm not trying to argue, but the really sad thing about Cloud and Aerith to me, is that they never got their chance to fall in love. I like(and don't like, because I like Aerith)the fact that it was cut off so early between them. If they had had love, then somehow I could have seen it as, "at least they had a little time". But when Sephy drove that sword through her, it killled all the buds! It was such a surreal, empty moment. I remember the first time I played the game. Wow. Damn... Anyway, I wouldn't have minded at all if Cloud had somehow been able to end up with Aerith, because I would be fine with whatever Square chose to do. And I like Tifa with Vincent a whole lot. ^^

edit- Again, just to be clear, the above paragraph isn't an attempt at debate. It's not so much about any love triangle as it is about what really happened in the game. Please don't think that it had anything to do with an Aerith vs Tifa. It doesn't.

By the way, I love your new avatar, SecretBox. I've seen that whole picture online before. I love their dresses, and just the whole cuteness of that picture. ^^

#49 May 01st 2008, 8:53pm . Edited May 02nd 2008, 9:22pm