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DanPhantomCrush
Topic: Dan Character Discussion

Oookay. I've done lots and lots of damage to his original bad guy persona as portrayed in The Ultimate Enemy. Perhaps I should've moved more gradually into his character shift? I admit this actually bothers me. That said, I did mean there to be a catalyst *cough* of sorts in his life that started a dramatic change in his attitude, his goals, etc.

Is this believable? Is my characterization, taking the twists and turns I put him through, reasonable? (Is this question reasonable, heh. oO)

#1 Jun 13th 2008, 1:04pm
E.A. Knightly

I love the way he turned good. It just... fits! and you gave it lots of time, considering his selfishness and clockwork's threat! you actually gave him just enough description to work! I love the way you portrayed his character!

#2 Jun 13th 2008, 9:06pm
DanPhantomCrush

Thanks! Wow, you know, I haven't checked my e-mail in hours, basically since I started this forum...so this is really good timing, because I think you just posted...

I have a confession to make: Dan is one of the most intriguing characters for me (the other being Vlad.) He's not my favourite, because there's too much angst there, but he gives you so much think about! :P I'm glad you think I've done a good job with him so far. If given the chance though (I admit this is unlikely), I may go back to an earlier chapter or two and write a little more of a transition in.

In retrospect, I think what bothers me is that I just jump by....two years in the thermos....then another six months, I think. So that time, when he first escaped, isn't dealt with except with flashbacks and his own thoughts on it. And so I'm talking about how crazy he was, without really giving the reader a particular scene or two to glom onto.

But this is probably because I shy away from extreme angst/true insanity. Um...there's such a thing as too creepy, right? For me anyway. :)

lol...This was a total tangent.

#3 Jun 13th 2008, 9:23pm
Esme Phantom

I'll admit, I haven't gone back and read your story from the beginning since I found and favourited it, and I know not doing that affects my judgments on pacing as a general rule, but… I don't think you're moving too quickly with Dan. You don't need to show us every step on the route; flashbacks are fine, and at least in that first six months, I don't think we really need to have scenes of Dan being crazy. The flashbacks got the message across fine, and one of the good things about fanfic is that you don't have to start the characters from scratch. Readers already know Dan's history, and how and why he's crazy. It's often annoying to be told that again, as you probably know. You're conveying his struggle and growth, and that's what you need to do.

#4 Jun 14th 2008, 12:42am
DanPhantomCrush

Thanks. It still feels fast to me at a point, but...lol "I don't think we really need to have scenes of Dan being crazy." Yeah, I just don't feel like writing that!

Honestly, I think I need to just put my nose to the grind stone and move forward with he story, lol. It's fanfiction, after all. You get better as you write, hopefully, but the joy is that you don't have to go back and completely redo stuff later. You can just move forward.

Now I just need to repeat that to myself several times a day. :P

About too much needless description being annoying...yeah, I've run across that! "Danny was a teenage boy who wandered into his parents' lab one day...." And five minutes later you've been re-told the entire first episode or two, verbatim. Nothing new, and probably less well written.

That said, everyone has to start somewhere, and maybe that's a good, comforting place for a new writer to begin, I suppose...

#5 Jun 14th 2008, 5:14pm
E-Dantes

Are you kidding?! That's the best part of all this!!!! If Dan would be the same person like in show this would be like any other fic... something very common, actually. I believe is totally believable because, after all, Dan was Danny in the past, and Danny is a good person, responsible and loving. It is a good argument that Dan feels empty after all those years of destruction and, as I said in some review, guilt is the best thing to work in a story.

I definitluy don't think twist Dan personallity to what he was originally could be a good idea, it would be like a retrocession. I was thinking that maybe Dan and Danny finish beiging a same being, like Clockwork said, that would be really cool and different, but maybe the character you're doing with Dan it's too dificult to handle. No matter what you're thinking to do, please don't finish doing something totally conventional, that would be so unfair!!!

#6 Jun 14th 2008, 7:19pm
Esme Phantom

Onward, onward, ever onward… I agree, though I've seen people rewrite and ninja-edit chapters they haven't been satisfied with. If you do that, though, wait till the story's over so the style stays consistent and you can slip in foreshadowing and hints. (Yes, I've done this….) But yes, moving forward is a good thing.

And yes, everyone starts somewhere, and fanfic is probably a better place than many. Like I said elsewhere, you can do more experimentation, and of course, you get feedback, mostly of the positive kind. That can be detrimental for novice writers, thinking they're better than they are and acting accordingly, but it can also be a good thing because it encourages them to keep writing. (And the more you write, the better you get.)

#7 Jun 15th 2008, 12:34am
DanPhantomCrush

E-Dantes: Meep! Bold print! lol...sorry, I had to ask. It was a way of getting people's opinions. :D Don't worry, I have no plans in the works for reverting Dan back to how he was. And you're right, that would be cruel of me! Thanks for the comments!

#8 Jun 15th 2008, 8:35pm
DanPhantomCrush

Esme: lol...too late! I think anything involving Dan would be more than just ninja editing though (or what I'm thinking of as ninja editing anyway). But I've made lots of teeny changes in earlier chapter already. I go back, re-read, start wriggling in my seat, export it, fix up things, notice other stuff, fix that...then replace the post.

But I'm talking small, mostly type-o stuff. :D

Yeah, I'm always so paranoid on some level, personally, when I get compliments, just because of that problem.

Oookay. I'm signing off. Thanks for the comments. :) I need to go get a hot drink, and start up where I left off yesterday in the notebook...

Good night!

#9 Jun 15th 2008, 8:40pm
Esme Phantom

Heh, true. Rewriting would still be an option, if you wanted to go there

Me too, really, and I do the same as you, acting humble and paranoid about it.

Night! (Though you're going to get more replies than just this tonight.)

#10 Jun 15th 2008, 11:54pm
DanPhantomCrush

lol, this feels like forever ago already, when I read about myself "getting a hot drink to start up where I left off in the notebook". Weird!

That notebook is currently being used for notes on that short film, actually. Though I'm sure it'll return to Danny Phantom duty before long.

Wee...my forum replies have been so spasmodically random tonight. Again.

To rewrite, not to rewrite, that is the garbled parody of Hamlet we all know and cringe at...

Good night. :)

#11 Jul 18th 2008, 9:57pm

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