BTW, I finished my story "Takumi's Cousin" with a surprising ending. I think I e-mailed you about that already, I'm not sure.

Oh yeah, and can you explain how I drifted my Nissan Altima? I've always been told FWD can't drift.

I'm always fustrated at drivers who tailgate me like that, and so I wanted to show them a thing or two. I come on my tight, 90 degree turn to the right at 40 mph, about 15 more than I usally do. And there my car goes, SCREEEECH!!!! Next thing I know, I'm facing the home right there, and my car is sliding to the left a bit. I sorta panicked, not expecting that at all, and shove my car into a short jerk left and right on the steering wheel and I'm driving down the road just like normal. No handbrake, no braking AT ALL, just taking a turn 15 mph faster than I really can.

Short answer. You didn't drift.

As for the other questions. Cars aren't made to drift, so I don't give two ** and a backfire as to which is the better drift car. In case you hadn't noticed, drifting is a gay pop-teen-sudo-motorsports fad that has nothing to do with going fast or real racing. So out of the 86 vs. FC being the better drifter? Ask someone who cares.

As for racing them; why do people call the FC good and the 86 bad?

Well when they were built the FC was designed to take on and defeat porsches using technology that was cutting edge at the time in automotive manufacturing. It's racing recod was incredible in the domestic and international scene. Even today it performs admirably against cars nearlly thirty years newer.

The 86 was a budget performance hatchback, put together cheaper to compete in lesser racing events, because let's face it, not ever one can afford top market cars, and whose only claim to fame is that Tsuchiya happened to come along (even though most of you wouldn't know dick about Tsuchiya's early career in which the 86 actually plaid something of a part) and it happened to be in a cartoon. It's no better than a Civic of the era.

That's that answered.

I don't think the Japanese really care as long as you can take the corners out there real fast (at so-called "high" speeds with a drop off cliff on one side, and a mountain on the other. Doesn't really matter to me what you do, racing on hairpin corners with nerve takes lots of gut... or stupidity).

Your rear tires let go... so what? It's called oversteer, and many FF cars are notorious for it. It is completely different from drifting by todays standard. You could have lifted off the accelerator, that does it in most FF's. So TWO tires lost traction for you and you managed to correct the problem. Drifting is when all FOUR tires let go and are controlled in such a way that it changes your cornering heading.

Are you saying that FF's can never completely lose traction, since how the front wheels are never out of control? If that is true, then I don't see why FF cars wouldn't make better "corner-takers" than others.

I'm not as interested in typical American drifing ideas, I'm more interested in speeds and actually racing around the corners. I just like cars and drag, to me, just doesn't get any close to being like the corners.

With that established, now you know what my interests are. You can't really say my interest is "wrong" because it's just an interest. So if you want to discuss something with me, make sure it lines up with my interest, otherwise, all you're doing is telling me what's good in your interest.

Simply put: If you can take corners a lot faster than the average person, and you have guts to do it, then great. (I say)

I just don't give a care how far or how long you can skid your car or how much rubber you can burn: how fast can you go?

But that sounds good on the difference between "power steer" and "drifting".

Knowledgable people?

People that make sense when they post?

Your posts make no sense and reflect a general lack of racing knowledge. If you desire anymore answers or conversation then please make an effort to craft an actual point.

All I'm saying is that I only care for how fast can you take the corners. I don't care how awesome anybody's drift was. I don't care how fast you can go. I don't care how much rubber you can burn. I don't care how long or far you drift.

All I ask is that you talk to me on terms that I am entertained by how fast a racer can take the corners. It's not the fact "I don't know anything", it's the fact that I'm just not fond of the things you are. It's all personal opinion.

I would much rather prefer an 87 hp car with nothing added but with great handling over a car that can break the sound barrier any day. I do not like super fast cars, nor do I care what sound they make.

The only "sports car" I really like is the Miata with nothing on the engine.

Personally I think you should start caring about what you say if how people answer you offends you so easily, because then you might get your point across to other people. I answered your original questions in the manner they deserved and you have yet to ask anything of note beyond that.

And for the record, when you talk about which car 'drifts better', that's rather exclusive of speed. So forgive someone if they find your new post rather confusing.

And hi-way, any car with reasonable performance should be able to drift in some form or another...

What that equals to today's standards is a different thing however.

No.

Just no.

Don't go near another car ever again.

I'm sorry but you have NO idea what you are talking about at all.

And for the record; losing traction NEVER increases speed.

I'm sorry but this is infantile; the only suggestion I can give you is...

No, I can't give you any advice, you're going to have to educate yourself out of this hole.

The basic physics of cars and racing just seem to ellude you and I can't force feed that to you. And just in case you were wondering, who is this ** to say what I know and don't know about cars, I actually hold a national rally liscense, and have competed in sprint, rally and motorkhana events for years in the past. In know what I am talking about most of the time.

FIRST OF ALL, I didn't say you didn't know anything.

SECOND, I know losing traction never increases speed.

You're REALLY misunderstanding me. I said "MY PREFERENCE" I did not say "drift racing is..." I said MY PREFERENCE is .... nobody can be wrong on a personal opinion.

You like what I do, I just don't happen to care for any of that. It's like saying wrestling is real fighting and boxing isn't. THEY ARE BOTH FIGHTING. You can't tell someone wrestling is not real fighting but boxing is. That's what you're doing to me (so it looks like). Drift racing isn't only about burning rubber and skidding your car as far as you can. It's not limited there.

Your saying my personal preference is wrong. You can't tell me I'm wrong if I say I prefer the color blue over red, or I'm wrong for liking boxing more than wrestling.

You can't say I'm wrong for prefering racing around the bends and not caring for drag racing or "real" drift racing.

Comprende? You're not wrong, I'm not wrong, they are just personal preferences. If you tell me that two cars trying to cross a finish line on the other side of a slalom course and drifting while doing so is not drift racing, then you're trying to force personal opinion down my throat.

I'll listen to whatever you do to get to where you are now, and I'll listen. I'm not hardheaded, you're just not saying anything positive. Please respond with, "No, it is this....." and tell me.

You can't tell me my personal preference is wrong because it's just the way I like things.

..... All this coming from a very unopinionated person. Racing is the thing that breaks that up.

SO DID I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?

And ah, it's too late to tell me to stay away from cars. I street race down my favorite country back road.

No; drifting has nothing to do with speed or racing. Drifting is about appearance and positioning, it is not about who is faster. It is like figure skating, not like running, so there is NO SUCH THING as 'drift racing'. There is autocross where people try to slide the car to gain a tight turning circle in confined space or rally where a slide is neaded to keep the car travelling at speed with some amount of traction and speed, but there is NO SUCH THING as 'drift racing'. A 'drift battle' about who gets the better angle and line through corners and the winner is judged and awarded points.

I'm not saying your preference is wrong, I'm saying that your knowledge is not there. This has nothing to do with racing through corners, this has to do with the fact that your obviously don't know the difference between drag, drift, touge, circuit and rally and what each entails.

Your preference is your preference, and that's perfectly fine, but you are choosing as your preference something that does not exist except in your mind. As I said, you need to educate yourself as to what is actually a part of the motorsports you choose to perform.

And lastly, anyone who claims to 'street race' is a poser at best, street racing is a pop term used for people with no real experience and little talent who are trying to use cars to boost thier ego.

Real racing is done in a controlled enviroment where you can use the car to 100% of your skill. That can not be done on a public road unless you're in a cartoon.

Please don't bother to reply anymore, I'm not going to get you to understand this, and you are just becoming more offended, which you shouldn't, because if you went and educated yourself in motorsports you would see the utter inaneness of what you are currently saying.

I'm not saying your preferences are wrong, I'm saying go out and actually learn enough about motorsports with hard worked experience then come back and talk preferences. You'll thank me eventually and you'll see that I'm right... that is if you even bother.

If that's not drift racing, then, what is it? I mean come on, I like what they do on Initial D, they call it drift racing, so I assumed that's what it is.

And yeah, I knew everything already you said, I simply assumed my preference was another style of "drift racing"... an actual race.

That's what this forum is centered in: Initial D. Initial D is a Japanese anime centered around what they call "drift racing". They are concerned about starting at one point and passing the finish line. They emphasis "they're going to finish 4 seconds before Takmui and Keisuke!" And Nazakato keeps boasting about his grip is faster and better unlike "show drift". Bunta doesn't seem to care much about form either... he drives without his hands on the steering wheel!!!

If what you say is correct (and I don't really doubt you 'cause I hear people complain that my drift racing interest is stupid because it's all burning tires), Initial D is completely out of place of what it should be (though, it was "edited" and reviewed by Keiichi Tsuchiya).

But anyway, if taking corners in a race of speed isn't drift racing.... then what is it? What is it that I'm doing on that country backroad?

Initial D is FICTION. It is designed from day dot to entertain school kids and teenagers with larger than life antics and racing that should be called fantastic and completely mythologic.

Initial D isn't centered around drift racing at all, it's centered around the Japanese sport of touge, where drifting was born in the 70's in a transitional phase between racing and show being important. The Japanese don't call something 'drift racing', we don't call something 'drift racing', no one but an ignorant interperator or an equally ignorant fanboy calls something 'drift racing'. It simply doesn't exist. Touge does... but nothing exists like what you what see on that FICTIONAL CARTOON.

Tsuchiya's input into Initial D is near ** all, he just makes sure the cars sound right, the lingo is right, and the physics resemble something realistic. It's not his baby, and he doesn't try and make things more realistic at the expense of a good story, because it's not his cartoon to do so with.

Initial D is FICTION, of course it's out of place, how hard is that to understand!?

Maybe now would be the time to tell you that there isn't a real Batman out there in a real Gotham city?

Like I said, DO NOT BOTHER TO REPLY ANY LONGER as your knowledge is based on something that is an utter FICTION and has no influence or placing on real life sports or events.

How old are you? Most people can tell the difference between fiction and fact at 12.

Then what the crap are you doing here in the first place? Go ** all the whole FanFICTION of Intial D. Anything YOU write is FICTION in a FICTION section of an impossible storyline called Initial D.

And I'm not stupid about knowing that Initial D is impossible. I'm not a big great racer (or much of one at all) but I am a fictional writer, and it is storyline reasoning I understand.

So now I'm not going to reply on my knowledge of something you seem to know all the world about, supposedly soundling like more than anyone in the world.

It's like a amature sleuth mystery story. Of course, who's heard of a doctor by profession solving crimes alongside and better than his detective profession son? (Dr. Sloan in Diagnosis Murder) Or worse, a Catholic Priest pointing out a theif before he steals something when security guards can't pick him up? I mean, come on, any person with a brain at all knows those are impossible storylines. But writers of those stories really don't care... they make money off of it and it entertains. Virtually every single storyline that exists in the world ever written is unreal.

Initial D entertains. Those guys are making money, selling toy cars, manga books, DVD's, movies, etc. and they keep going.

It's those stories that appear too commonly realistic that people are bored with. It doesn't really thrill, and doesn't change much, especially if you specifically know that bus ought to be crashing down with all those people and the main characters because the force of gravity said so. That's the thrill: will the writer use some spectacular object or mystical force to keep it going?

Thrilling stories like Intial D were meant to break the laws of the real world but with some sense of reason. So get over it. We would never really know what would happen unless that actually took place, and stories like "The Five Flame Stage", never actually took place and is fiction.

If your not a sucker for fiction, then why bother writing? Why are you wasting your time here in the first place? If you're here to ** Initial D, then do so. Just keep in mind, this IS FanFiction. And any fan, knowledgable or super intelligent, kids under the age of 12 and racers 24 years old will come flock over here with a common interest: Initial D. So yeah, you're bound to find people everywhere who really don't know what they're writing, but it's FanFiction. Whether you like what someone writes according to how realistic it is, is just up to you. You're also bound to find that people don't look at the world through the eyes of a god who calls himself GT Silver Shadow.

Now because you seem like someone who "knows what he's talking about" I'll ask you again... what am I doing when I'm driving down my country back road? What type of racing would you call two people trying to cross a finishline before the other on a winding track?

And I looked it up in the dictionary. Touge is a noun referring to the roads the racers drive on to "drift race" in Initial D. Come on now, don't tell me that you're knowledge is better than and over the dictionary, Internet, encyclopedia, and anything I cannot simply find to support your answer.

And it's not your knowledge that ticks me off, it's your attitude towards it.

By the way, if Initial D is so completely unrealistic and stupid, then what's with your fav's story list doing including Teen Titans and Dragon Ball Z? Initial D is at least somewhat believable.

Come on, at least reply with something to defend yourself. I'm not tolerating your attitude much further, but I am taking all you said.

You want to know something, Colonel Marksman? If anything, you should be angry at ME for bringing him here. When I first wrote my fic "Follow The Leader", his friend read it, saw that I'd used Best Motoring as a reference and told him, so he came on down to take a look at my fic.

I know jack ** about cars. All I know is that they look pretty and go fast. And I'm 22 and don't even have my learner's permit yet. And yet, he respects my questions and doesn't seem to think I'm an idiot for asking stupid questions. Do you want to know why?

It's because I don't possess a high and mighty attitude when he corrects me in a harsh manner. I know he knows more than me, and I also respect that as well.

Even to me, you're coming across as whiny and confrontational just because he doesn't agree with you. He doesn't have to be nice. And especially, you who wants to be an author, who claims that you want people to be harsh with you so that you can learn to take the guff from actual publishers, are now getting upset because he's not being NICE? (Also, I saw your responses to ShisouTabris in the OC forum. If I recall, you also got confrontational with him when HE gave you his opinion on your character, and he was MUCH nicer than GTSilverShadow. I thought you WANTED people to give you criticism. What happened there?)

Suck it up, deal with it, or go ask someone else. If you don't like his attitude and don't want to do any of the other options, do a Google search yourself. I'm sure you could find what you're looking for without his assistance if you know how to look.

Yeah, cars are pretty facinating creations. If you want to know anything, though, check out these links:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower.htm

http://www.answers.com/car%20engines

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/rotary-engine.htm

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/anti-lock-brake.htm

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_racing

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/steering.htm

http://www.mayvilleschools.com/practice/staiduhar/Aboutdrift.htm

(THIS IS THE STUFF GT SHADOW IS TAKING ABOUT)

If you would like some videos and charts, I've got plenty, just e-mail me or if you have AIM, that's a lot faster. It would probably only take you no more than a few days to know quite a bit. But I tell ya, anything you see isn't close to the gutwrenching feeling of seeing a yellow road sign for an upcoming turn: 45 MPH! and you look at your speedometer saying 64, nor like that high-pitched squeel when you're in the middle of that turn. Then again, nothing's as fun as scaring the pee out of your sister doing so either.

Personally I don't like your attitude. You claim to want harsh criticism to learn how to take it and what do you do? You flip out on the person and get so defensive.

Hmm, I smell a hypocrite here.

If you can't take criticism now, I hate to see how you are when you actually make a career out of this because editors, for the most part, AREN'T going to be nice, especially when there's a lot of kinks to work out in your manuscripts.

I'm taking in everything he's saying, but I'm not taking his attitude. I'm carefully considering everything he's saying, but I'm not going to sit here and let him bat around my personal opinion and let him tell me that it's wrong.

I accept criticism with reasoning. I'm also not a racer, I'm a writer (unless you call going down country roads at much higher speeds than I really should be racing).

I said I would accept criticism, but I'm by far not gullable and hard to convince.

GT Shadow is an actual racer, and I know a lot of what he says is already true of that manner, I just want to know about my prefered style of racing, since how, drift "racing" isn't actually "racing" at all.

I know jack ** about cars.

I was taking that into account.

Even to me, you're coming across as whiny and confrontational just because he doesn't agree with you. He doesn't have to be nice. And especially, you who wants to be an author, who claims that you want people to be harsh with you so that you can learn to take the guff from actual publishers, are now getting upset because he's not being NICE? (Also, I saw your responses to ShisouTabris in the OC forum. If I recall, you also got confrontational with him when HE gave you his opinion on your character, and he was MUCH nicer than GTSilverShadow. I thought you WANTED people to give you criticism. What happened there?)

Suck it up, deal with it, or go ask someone else. If you don't like his attitude and don't want to do any of the other options, do a Google search yourself. I'm sure you could find what you're looking for without his assistance if you know how to look.

Hmm.... somehow I missed that.

Ah, I already replied. Like I said, I'm not a racer, I'm a writer. I also don't like personal opinions being turned into absolutes and definate right/wrong.

No you're not. Sara Douglas is a writer, Tolkien is a writer, Shakespeare is a writer. You are a fan, not a writer. I am not a writter. Hell I'm not a racer! I'm me, and it just so happens that me likes the occasional track day, owns my own Celica and knows what to do with it. How infantile to sumise a person by one trait.

This thread is not a matter of opinion or views, shades of grey. This is a matter of education vs. ignorance, knowledge vs. stupidity and talking endlessly about utter crap vs. shutting up, using your TWO eyes and TWO ears to learn, and growing in cerebral mass.

What you're doing on public roads? What's your style of 'racing'?

Stupid ** that will hopefully get you killed before it kills someone else.

That's what you're doing, you're not racing, your not improving your skill, your not training to be in the RedSuns, your endangering people's lives on a public road when you should take it to the track you frigin poser.

I've tried to be civil, if not strictly nice; because I'm not an overly nice person to anyone, but you are a stupid child playing at things that he's too foolish to understand. What buisness do you have as an untrained inexperienced and obviously ignorant driver getting in a one tonne weapon and roleplaying Takumi with the skill of a matchbox? To answer that, none. Stick to video games and keep people safe for christs sake. If you're to dumb to know what you're doing, know the difference between drifting and racing, know one car from another, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT!

Really, you are just a fanboy... please, go find something else popular to emulate as your religion, lifestyle and sole choice for ego growth, something that doesn't involve a dangerous weapon. Leave the people who make the effort to learn the naunces of the sport to actually compete in it and go sit on your couch doing whatever it is children do these days.

You utter utter child.

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