Fanfiction Discussion - Supernatural FanFiction Challenges Forum

Topic: Fanfiction Discussion

Oh look. A new topic. How fun.

Basically, I just thought we should have a place to talk about the stories we read around the site, and maybe some off the site if there are any good ones.

So, discuss stories, authors, what you like, what you don't like, OC's, Mary Sues (or Mary Boos), anything you'd like to discuss.

#1 Jan 26th 2006, 10:39pm

Maybe recommendations too?

#2 Jan 27th 2006, 8:33am

Somebody Once

I can't stand Mary Sue's just getting that out there now. I hate them with the fiery intensity of a thousand suns. If a fic says 'Sam and Dean meet up with and take a girl along on the journey' you can be guaranteed I won't read it.

I just find them pretty pointless. But hey that's just me.

#3 Jan 27th 2006, 8:35am

Yeah, Recommendations are COMPLETELY welcome. :)

And I don't like Mary Sue's either. I mean, yeah in the Supernatural fanfiction world there's almost a necessity to have a few OC's, because there are really only like five characters (six if you include the Impala), three of which have only been in a couple episodes. I just hate it when the story centers on a girl, or the guys fall in love, or blah blah blah.

I mean, if one is really good, maybe I'll read it. But for the most part, I tend to stay away from those types of stories.

#4 Jan 27th 2006, 9:07am

a writer of fics

I've got two OCs in my fic, but I have no intention of turning either of them into Mary Sue's, or hooking them up with Sam and Dean. If I have them in any kind of relationship with Sam or Dean it would be just as friends. I'm still devolping my fic it is after all my frist "Supernatural" fic, but I may write a sequal.

#5 Jan 27th 2006, 2:17pm

well, see, I personally think that there are some Mary Sue witch hunts going on. I mean, plenty of series throw in OFCs, and they're obviously not Mary Sue. I don't like the idea of being unable to write an OFC in a fic and be afraid of being accused of writng a Mary Sue. I hate Mary Sues, they're an embarrassment to the whole world of fanfiction. But I think it is also an embarrassment to overprotect the world like a worried mother be attacking every author that has an OFC.

#6 Jan 27th 2006, 2:17pm

Roony, I couldn't agree more. Like I said before, especially with Supernatural, it's hard to write a story that DOESN'T have a few OFC's. And I don't mean to knock on people who like Mary Sue's. Everyone is entitled to their own taste. I don't go around flaming people for writing Mary Sue's of OFC's, I just choose to not read the story. Nothing against the author, nothing against the story, it's just not the kind of fics that I like to read.

I don't think that having an OFC, or Mary Sue for that matter, warrants a personal attack on author or story. You don't like it, don't read it. Simple as that. I use OFC's a ton in my fics. Foreseen had Kate, which people commented that they liked. In Bite I had Nicolette.

It's a free creative world. If people want to put themselves or their friends or their own characters, guy, girl, or sheep into a story, then they have every right to do so. Whose to tell them they're don't? I don't agree with flaming authors or stories just because they're not the type you like to read. Just pass on by, no need to get hostile or mean.

That's my two cents. :)

#7 Jan 27th 2006, 2:29pm

Somebody Once

I don't mind OFC's either if they're written well and supporting the main characters which should always be to me, Sam and Dean. Mary Sues and OFC's are two very different things to me. OFC's are occasionally needed to propel the plot. Mary Sue's to me are total story hoggers who grab attention and take over both the main characters.

#8 Jan 27th 2006, 4:19pm

NobdyPtclr

Totally agree. There's nothing wrong with an OFC who helps move plot and story along. I choose not to read stories where the OFC is a main character who saves the day or falls in love and marries one of the heroes. But I don't condemn those authors. Fifteen years ago that was probably what I was writing as well (blush). Everyone's entitled to express themselves here (or should be - P.L., I can't believe they pulled your story. Unjustified in my opinion!!) and if people don't like the type of expression they should just hit the back button. Flames and censorship are extreme.

#9 Jan 28th 2006, 5:31am

Exactly.

And...I was reading through the story to see what might have made them take it down and I think I figured it out. I had Dean say, "I'd cream myself if we caught a manifestation."

Haha. That's just my guess as to why they did it, lol.

And the topic of censorship is one of my favorites. I agree that some material isn't suitable for all eyes. But seriously...I've been to high school. I know what's said there and what 14 year olds are hearing and saying on a daily basis. A few swear words or crude jokes are nothing. I think the rating system, movie rating, whatever systems, are getting outdated because, let's face it, the world's vocabulary is increasing and things that weren't acceptable way back when are acceptable (to a certain point) now.

Of course, I wouldn't want some ten year old coming on and reading a bunch of swear words or sexual content or anything. It's just a matter of how extreme the punishment is. A simple note saying, "Hey could you up your rating or not say this word?" would be fine. There's mutual respect there, from both the censors and the authors.

#10 Jan 28th 2006, 10:12am

personally, I thought the 'cream' comment was a tad crude. But, let's face it: Dean's not exactly James Lipton. I honestly think that you can't punish an author for writing the character. You can't play Disney when you're dealing with characters. Yes, I know the 'Misery' speech (do I go to the bank and ask for a 'bastard' check?). But you have to adapt to the character, and it's the same with the flip side of the coin: you can't have characters curse when they normally wouldn't. Like Sam, for example, I have curse a lot less than Dean.

#11 Jan 28th 2006, 1:45pm

LostandAlone22

#12 Jan 28th 2006, 6:40pm . Edited Jan 28th 2006, 9:16pm

LostandAlone22

Just wanted to add that I agree with PL Wynter. If that's the kind of story that you like, then go ahead, but I'm not usually going to read it. There was one called "Journal Entries" that had an OFC, Anna, that was good for the most part. One chapter made her a Mary-Sue, but it was still good.

#13 Jan 28th 2006, 6:44pm

For sure. Whatever floats your boat, go ahead and write it. There will probably be a few someones out there who will read it. :)

#14 Feb 08th 2006, 12:06pm

Okay so with the subject on Mary Sue's and OFC's, I have a question. I am currently writing a SN fic with a Female character that I am, for lack of a better word, barrowing-use that term loosely- from a completely different fandom, would you take her for a Mary Sue or more of an OFC? What I'm really taking from the female character is what she was and her name, I haven't decided if I really want to all out make the same character or not...though so she doesn't get confused with a Mary Sue I might. Oooo thought-right that's a painful process(migraine. snow+bright light=migraine and sore eyes)- I could just out and out x-over the shows at some point...might have to try that. Though I will have to tone it down to post it here...I have the first chapter posted over at Supernatural . tv in the forums section there's a ff thread, it's called possession. I haven't figured out my live journal yet so it'll be a while before it's there...but I'm thinking of changing the name back to the working title of 10 Million Years(love Black Lab). And yes this female character does fall in love with Dean...and yes at first he thinks that he's fallen for her...no Sam doesn't like her at all...it will drive a wedge between them for a bit...but that's all the info I'm leaking.

Sorry for rambling...

I don't mind OFC's but I do very much mind obvious Mary Sues.

TTFN

#15 Feb 08th 2006, 1:27pm

Hey, PL, I loved the "cream" line...thought that was the best, it was just so Dean...if they could get away with him saying that on tv that is.

My nephew who's 13 almost surprises me with what he knows...he knows how to swear, he just doesn't at least not in front of adults. Just yesterday he was telling me about a magazine that he's seen from across the pond in Europe that has all kinds of toys in it...needless to say my jaw hit the steering wheel. He knows way more about that kind of stuff than I did at his age!

I do also agree that if someone has a complaint or feels that you're not following the rules properly they should at first contact you to let you know before just slapping you with a judgement and sentence.

TTFN

#16 Feb 08th 2006, 1:35pm

Completely agree that they should contact you first, I mean all the mods see is one little problem (that can be remedied) and they just get rid of the story without warning!

And straying from this topic, I have to recommend a story if you haven't already read it, seriously its so intense you just have to read: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2793622/1/

#17 Feb 11th 2006, 12:12pm

see, here's my issue with the ratings now: I can't tell what's T and what's M. I mean, I've seen stuff on the CSI and Law&Order shows that could make a movie R, but they just get a 14 because it's a network show. I mean, it's so messed up. The fic I'm writing now has some violence in it (or on the way)that could be pushed to being an M rating. But I'm a Teen and I can handle it. Supernatural itself is a pretty intense show, so to stay true to it you have to push the envelope a little bit, right? Ugh. So irritating!

#18 Feb 13th 2006, 10:58am

Mell~ thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou for that fic recc. Oh that was soooo very good. I loved the evil Sam...made me want to cry at the end. Yes very intense!

What I don't like about the ff rating system is that it is hard to use...I liked using the movie rating system, at least then I stood a chance at knowing what was what. The reason why it was changed is so silly that it's probably true! But really what can we do...well b*ching's always fun...too much tea again! That's what I get for giving up Coke a Cola this week!

Also thought that I'd let everyone know that I released a new fic for everyone to feed on. I don't have the url handy this second, but I'll edit and put in here. I have it posted here, and The Wonderful World of Make Believe under the title 10 Million Years and on Supernatural . tv under the title Possession. Not sure why I changed the title, but 10 Million Years was the working title and I liked it better.

Okay well I don't have to edit, they were nice enough to send me the link to my own fic! Here it is: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2800881/1/

Roony~ I'm loving Blood. It's way good, just waiting for an update. I added it to my alert list and my faves!

I'll have to search the urls up but Behind Closed Doors by Phx is great...it's when the boys were younger. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2790065/1/

And if you haven't been reading it Negative Effect by Ridley C. James is just awesome! http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2693645/1/

Well I hear the dishes calling my name so...

TTFN

Edited to add the urls.

#19 Feb 14th 2006, 1:44pm . Edited Feb 14th 2006, 2:12pm

Ah such an awesome story, ah I love Negative Effect, kinda love everything by Ridley atm lol

I've always been confused, I mean I didn't get the american movie ratings much, but they were a hell of a lot easier than these ones, I mean is K like the equivalent of a U (universal)or a PG (parental guidance) cos we dont have a PG 13, we have a 12a (so 12 year olds with 'rents) and 12, 15, and 18...

And they're not specific enough either, I mean I've read some things that could get away with being a K+ but the writer has changed the rating to M to be safe, and because of that they might lose out on readers, BUT I don't actually look at the rating, if there's language there's language and if it's incredibly graphic then there should be a warning in the summary or beginning of the chapter anyway...

#20 Feb 14th 2006, 11:14pm

Mna, I'm getting worried about my 'Blood' fic. I'm thinking to raise it...but it's really not an M story... ugh, I wouldn't care if I didn't think they'd delete my story w/o a warning!

yes...finally got over 10,000 words! lol.

#21 Feb 15th 2006, 4:07pm

Hey guys, I've started a new C2 community, and I was wondeirng if you guys could help me out a little with the archived stories. I'm looking for the best multi-chapter fics in Supernatural. Stuff that stays true to the series. Any recommendations would be great. lol, don't worry about recommending your own!

C2 name: 'Almost Episodes'

Description: Great multi-chapter stories that we wish we could see on our TV. Home to some of the most gifted writers of this fandom. Contain intense action, heart-wrenching tragedy, tickling humor, and, of course, the Supernatural. All stories rated T and M.

Archived Stories Thus Far:

Blackbird-Oldach's Dream

You're Not Alone-NobodyPtclr

Piggy-P.L. Wynter

Foreseen-P.L. Wynter

Haunted-M.Marinov

Tunnel Hill- Ip29

Breathe-Solus Nemo

#22 Feb 20th 2006, 8:55am

I highly reccomend "Negative Effect" by Ridley C. James....great fic would make an awesome eppi. Also "Pumpkin Man" by Kaitlyn Rose was really good. Also from Ridley I reccomend "Forgive Me" and (it's only 2 chapters but would still be an awesome eppi) "Facing the Dark". I also reccomend "Blindsided" by Icecube1.

It's been a while since I read blindsided but it was really good. I'll go check out your C2...I'd recc the one that I just posted, but I want to wait and see if it turns out eppi worthy...

TTFN

#23 Feb 20th 2006, 9:16am

Definately agree that Negative Effect, and Foreseen should be in there, and what about:

Whooper~Michelle P.

Decomposure~paperbkryter

The Ride~Kittsbud

The Road~Dolen Feredir

So Now You've Got the Shining~UZI4U

#24 Feb 20th 2006, 9:24am

Well I was going to suggest Haunted by M. Marinov, but it's already been suggested. So now I have to go back through my favorites and find one that I can suggest, lol.

Great idea for a C2! I'm going to go check it out.

#25 Feb 20th 2006, 10:30am

I'm mostly just a lurker so I hope you don't mind me piping in but I wanted to second the motion for "Forseen" by P.L Wynter (an absolute must). Second the motion for "Negative effect" by Ridley which is fabulous so far, and I wanted to add a recommendation for "In Reverse" by Sodakey, which is so far absolutly increadible. Those are my three aboslute favorites right now. In my opinion all three of these characterize the boys so perfectly it's like watching them. Also, if you are adding codas to your list Ridley's written some great add on's for "Benders" one of which seems very episode-like (can't think of the title just now). And I found Sodakey's "Rainwalk" coda for Faith pretty dang believeable too.

Thanks for letting me add my tidbits.

JustGray

#26 Feb 20th 2006, 6:25pm

Completely agree with JustGray on all those... there's a lot of good writers on here...

I thought that these were all amazing:

"Something So Human" (recklesslove)

"For Whom The Bell Tolls" (SINNderella)

"Lupine" (Javawolf)

"Blood" (Roony)

"Samuel Knows Best" (My heart beats only for you)

"Bite" - (P.L. Wynter)

"The Beckoning" - (Silver Kitten)

"Secrets and Lies" (corndawg)

"The Man in the Dark" (P.L. Wynter)

Yah man, just thought I'd jump in,

lp29

#27 Feb 21st 2006, 6:31am

Can't believe I forgot The Beckoning! Frickin' love that :D

#28 Feb 21st 2006, 6:35am

wow, can't believ what a major response I have!

Thanks so much to everyone for the stories... now I have to read them all... One of those 'labor of love' tasks, y'know?

keep 'em comin!

#29 Feb 21st 2006, 1:29pm

Oh, I've thought of a couple others

"Altitude" (Aegroto Dum Anima)

"The Phantoms of the Lighthouse" (KaitlynRose)

Lol, more for you to read...

lp29

#30 Feb 22nd 2006, 7:26am

Just thought that I'd drop in and say that I posted a missing scene fic for the Benders, it's called Fear.

Fear

I may have to edit to play with the link a bit...sorry, not really good with electronics...shorted out the phone with static elctricity yesterday. Had to unplug it and plug it back in to get it to work...lol.

TTFN

#31 Feb 23rd 2006, 10:44pm

sheilabes

Help.

I'm knew to this site. I have a fanfic that I want to post here. It's called VOODOO, I've posted it on another site and it went over well. I want to post it here also, but I don't know how to do it. I don't even know where to begin. What is the first thing I need to do?

#32 Feb 27th 2006, 7:39pm

Sheilabes,

First, you have to click 'login' at the top of the page, In the thick blue strip where the 'Menu' is.

Once you are on your login page, look to the far left of your screen. There is a list going down the side which consists of, 'account, documents, stories, reviews, etc.' Click on 'Documents."

That should take you to a screen with a tiny chart at the top. Scroll downwards (straight to the bottom.)You should now see a line of 3 purple boxes. One says, "doc label", another says, "Format", and the last one reads "File on Computer."

Now, before we go any further, you should have a document already saved on your computer by a word processing program. (I use wordpad).

Now, your going to have to look at the last purple box which has the label, "file on your computer." There should be a button right beside the purple box which says, "browse."

Click on it. Choose the file on your computer. Then label the document in the first purple box which says, "doc label." Now click "Submit".

Okay, now, look back towards the list on the screen on the far left, and click "stories." On the top right of your screen, there should be 4 things listed across. One is "stories guide," another, "list stories," another, "New story" and the last, "Guidelines."

Click on "New Story"

Agree to the rules and everything.

Now, you will just have to follow what they tell you to do such as picking a title, a rating etc..

When you are done, click on the bottom "Submit Story"

Hopefully that's where it ends... I can't say I remember much after I last submitted mine.

Anyways, hopefully that easy. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. My e-mail is on my profile page.

Good luck! :D

lp29

#33 Feb 27th 2006, 9:14pm

Bwahaha, what a detailed map. :)

#34 Mar 01st 2006, 8:10pm

Lol, yah man, hopefully it wasn't for nothing :P

#35 Mar 02nd 2006, 5:59am

Lol, yah man, hopefully it wasn't for nothing :P

#36 Mar 02nd 2006, 6:06am

hey guys. what up? Hey, just FYI: I've posted this new fic. hoping to get some reviews (hint hint). lol. I'm just nevous about the story itself. Doing this and 'Blood', I'm afraid that the two may cancel each other out. So, if you're interested, check it out.

title: Switch.

plot: A convicted killer that John once put away uses dark magic to switch places with Sam.

link: switch

#37 Mar 02nd 2006, 7:33pm . Edited Mar 02nd 2006, 7:34pm

This is a Recc. Together by Faye Dartmouth. Fabulous fic that in a way answers a challenge...what could make Dean give up the life of a demon/ghost hunter.

And Roony off to read your fic now!

Trying to fix the link...sorry.

All fixed!!

#38 Mar 07th 2006, 4:35pm . Edited Mar 07th 2006, 4:37pm

If we can make recomendations on this little forum, I wanted to add a few of my own that I feel are usually overlooked:

"Strangers and Angels" and "All things Considered" by reading, both excellent in tone and quality

"Family Ties" by Millicake, which isn't finished but is so far a very well developed plot, more than I expected from the description for some reason, and well written.

"Vocabulary" by Innie

"If belief was enough" and "Fools shine on" by gekizetsu, really well written, interesting tone, and very overlooked.

The latest from Ridley C. James is also looking mighty fine. And P.L. Wynter's little "Costumes" moment, recently added, shouldn't be missed, made a nice examination of role reversals and the realitivity of normal, though I'm probobly making it deeper than it is, but of course, I'm just hoping she'll add more to it.

And finally, "In Reverse" by Sodakey, which isn't really exactly 'overlooked' persay, and I know I mentioned it before, but I'm kind of obsessed with it.

Thanks! I'm off to give Dartmouth's "Together" a shot, as LittleWing sugested. And to maybe leave actual reviews for those stories I mentioned.

#39 Mar 17th 2006, 8:15am

""If belief was enough" and "Fools shine on" by gekizetsu" I loved "fools shine on" it was so awesome. Odd pacing and interesting descriptions...but still a wonderful read. I've been reading "if belief" on LJ, but I haven't been leaving reviews...bad of me. Also very good.

"Strangers and Angels" I second this recc. Awesome story. Wonderful OC's, great story line, awesome picture of the boys. I keep forgetting to put this in my alerts and favs :( Gotta fix that.

I've been reading "In Reverse" and just love it. If they put out novels for this show I would so buy that one. As well as any of P.L.'s fics and Ridley C. James.

You'll love "Together."

thanks for the reccs! Now I have more to find and read...oh and review!

TTFN

#40 Mar 17th 2006, 10:02am

Can't get enough of In Reverse! I love it soooo!

#41 Mar 17th 2006, 10:04am

You're right LittleWing, I did love "Together." Great concept!

And I'm glad some other people seem to enjoy "In Reverse" as much as I do (sharing the joy always doubles it ;D...

Which actually brings up a question I've been pondering. For most writers I think I can tell which way they lean (as in toward which brother they lean). P.L. Wynter and Ridley both seem to lean toward Dean (which is great with me, because that's where I lean). Although with Ridley I think Sam fans have more than enough to keep them intrigued. Dartmouth maybe seems to lean toward Sam? But I haven't read much of hers. Geminii11 (sp?) also seems to lean toward Sam. With Sodakey I can't really tell. I think she leans toward Dean but I went back and read "In Reverse" trying to see it from a Sam's perspective and now I don't know (do I sound obsessive or what).

Just curious what the rest of you may think about the authors, portrayals, etc.

JustGray

#42 Mar 21st 2006, 9:30am

well, I like to be equal to the brothers. I like both of their characters anyway. Some authors like to punish one brother over the other, but I feel that it's only fair to duke it out rather equally. Not just physically, but psychologically as well.

#43 Mar 21st 2006, 10:43am

I've found that say you give Dean a lot of physical angst, then Sam picks up the psychological angst of seeing his brother get hurt/failing to help him/self deprication/blaming himself and its the same if Sam's hurt, Dean blames himself, throws himself into the mission in trying to kill the thing that did it to save Sam or to get vengeance while thinking himself inadaquate and a failure to not protect his baby brother

PL and Ridley definately love to hurt Dean, and Marinov put more Dean angst in ONE story than I've seen in like 6 put together (which rocked :D) personally I like both, I mean, if Sam's hurt then lots of Dean-internal-angst and if Dean's hurt then lots of actual Dean-angst. Love Dean \m/

#44 Mar 21st 2006, 11:09am

I have noticed that as well that some writer's are very obvious which one they like more than the other. And yeah Marinov did throw more at Dean in one story than I've even seen in one episode! It is neat sometimes to figure out which one the writer prefers, sometimes not though.

I think that so far with Blood Roony's given each brother the spolight as it were and not given more to one than the other. P.L. on the other does seem to enjoy the Dean angst and owies. Sodakey also seems to not shed more on one than the other.

Myself I like Sam more than Dean, but I identify more with Dean than Sam...not sure that really makes a lot of sense or not. Writing wise I'm not sure which one I focus on more...and since I haven't really written a long chapter fic yet for SN I don't expect anyone to be able to tell me. Working on that though.

I do have a recc to make though. If you haven't found it yet you should read both of these. If you have read them, then you know what I'm talking about. I've been following them over at supernaturaltv and found them over here. Both stories are by Tracer2032.

WithInTheDarkness and Harvester

#45 Mar 21st 2006, 3:51pm

:-D You guys are making me self conscious. I can't help but prefer the Dean ouchies. Sometimes I get really protective of characters, and Sam's one of those characters where I don't like seeing anything bad happen to. It's weird.

#46 Mar 26th 2006, 8:13pm

Phx

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but since it kind of refers to fan fiction, I figured I would put it here -

Is anyone else having trouble today trying to upload a chapter or is it just me? I've given up. It is just very frustrating.

BTW - some very awesome fics on site. I try to review as many as possible but sometimes I just forget, so sorry and I'll try a bit better!

Phoenix

#47 Mar 26th 2006, 10:49pm

Quite a few people have been having problems too, but I haven't tried myself so I'm not much help. Hopefully ffn will take notice and do something about it, and its a good idea to send a bug report if you haven't already :)

#48 Mar 27th 2006, 7:26am

screasey

I 'm looking for some help please. I need to find some one who would be willing to edit my story and help me with uploading.

If you want to help would you send an email to screasey@star-telegram.com Thanks.

#49 Mar 27th 2006, 7:57am