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P.L. WynterTopic: Show Discussion What's a forum without a place to discuss the show? Feel free to talk about anything show related here. You can post spoilers, but if you do, please state so at the top of your message. I'll try to play Devil's Advocate every once in a while to get the discussion going, but other than that, you can pretty much talk about any aspect of the show that you want, including how gorgeous you think the actors are. (Because I know that's what you'll talk about!) |
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Roonyokay, I haven't seen all of the Supernatural epis, in fact I think I've only seen...five. The mental hospital one, the windego one, the demon on the airplane, the shapeshifter, and the pilot. how other many episodes have there been and what specific supernatural type things did they deal with? (I want to know so that I can write fanfics w/o re-doing old plots)| #2 Dec 30th 2005, 12:07pm | |
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P.L. WynterSo I haven't seen all of the episodes either, but I've read a lot of episode guides to try and catch up with them all. So here are the episodes and a bit about what they deal with:1. Pilot (you've seen it, I haven't, lol) 2. Wendigo 3. Dead in the Water -about drownings in a lake that were the work of a ghost. 4. Phantom Traveller (the airplane one) 5. Bloody Mary -about the famous Bloody Mary mirror game coming to life. 6. Skin (the shapeshifter one) 7. Hookman -I haven't seen this episode and I don't really know much about it, so your guess is as good as mine. :) 8. Bugs -where a housing development is started on cursed ground and bugs start killing people. 9. The Journey Home -when they go to their childhood home and face a poltergeist. 10. Asylum -when they go to an asylum and face a crazy ghost doctor. That's all that have aired so far. I think the next one is about a Scarecrow and the one after that will be about a Faith Healer. :) I hope this helps! You can find episode guides online too. |
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UZI4UHey, I've seen Hookman (twice in fact) and thought I might be able to help. The baddie is a spirit of a preacher w/ a hook for a hand who is somehow attached to a living preacher's daughter. The spirit kills the girl's "boyfriend"(to use the term loosely) her roomate, and tries to kill her father as well. His goal was to punish all the "evil sinners" for having sex (gasp!). Anyway, Dean burns the body, Sam saves the girl and actually gets a kiss for once, they kick ** and look totally hot as always. The episode was based on the old hookman urban legend, you might look it up. Hope that helps!| #4 Dec 31st 2005, 12:08pm | |
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P.L. WynterHey thanks! That actually sounds like a really good episode. :) I wish I could have seen it. I haven't seen that one of the Pilot. It was suppose to air on Wednesday, but it got pushed to Saturday because of the Piston's game and well...I was too busy partying to watch it, so now I'll just have to wait until it comes out on DVD (which I hope won't take YEARS!)| #5 Dec 31st 2005, 11:13pm | |
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LittleWingOkay so I'm posting this over here instead of the thread that it started in because I thought that it both belonged over here and this poor little ignored thread could use some company.I hadn't heard that Dean gets injured while fighting a demon and now has a heart condition. But hey, makes me want to see the new eppys even more. :-)Between y'all and me I was getting bored waiting for new eppys! Could be why those dangerously cute little plot bunnies have been running amuck in my head...if only my muse didn't have ADD and would just help me finish one or six of my WIPS! With some good eppys coming up I can't wait to see what they do for a season ender...think that dad might make an appearance? I don't think that any of us can quite say enough about this show. Unlike some shows that I've seen that are very story driven this one is very character driven...lucky us because the relationship between the brothers was the only thing that saved Bugs. |
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sonoralieOh god, I think I only watched about half of Bugs. The other half was spent hiding behind a blanket or my hands. If something has more than four legs, I'm automatically disgusted by it. (OT - Did anyone see King Kong? That ravine that the cast fell into was my own personal version of hell.)I bet Supernatural ends on cliffhanger that has us squirming until September, like one of those 'to be continued' deals. I barely made if through December - if the writers do that, I don't know how I'll make it through the summer. I really need to curb in my obsession! |
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P.L. WynterOh God, Bugs was the worse episode. I mean, it had it's good qualities, like the whole slap on the butt deal, but the plot was just horrible. We have to hold on until sunrise...four seconds later...oh look, sunrise. Fire that writer. I'm not sure if they'll end the season with a cliffhanger. I wouldn't hold it against them, and I'd actually love for it to be like that, but sometimes with the first seasons of new shows, they just put a regular old episode as the season finale. (i.e. NUMB3RS) But a part of me really thinks that this show won't do that. I think they'll do something special, but I'm not sure if it will be a cliffhanger. And LittleWing, I completely agree that this show is character driven. I know it's been said before, but it is just like watching a series of short horror movies. Yeah it's scary and it's fun to watch, but there's also a dynamic between the characters that I think will draw in a crowd that doesn't just watch it for the supernatural twist. I personally love brotherly love, so I'm sticking around even if the show takes a turn for the worse, lol. I don't care how lame it gets (but I don't see it getting lame, it's freaking scary) I will still watch it. | #8 Jan 07th 2006, 10:21am | |
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NobdyPtclrAbsolutely agree about 'Bugs' - They wait for the sun to come up, and then they don't even appear to be all bitten up. I have to admit I was yelling at the TV (blushes), telling them to light a fire in the fire place, block windows and doors, anything. Disappointing, other than the couple moments with humor. Fortunately the rest of the episodes have been great.I'm betting on a cliffhanger, probably with their dad involved somehow. I also read somewhere that Missouri will be back at some point. |
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P.L. WynterI completely expect Missouri to come back. They built up her character too much to not bring her back. But it's always hard to tell in shows like these, especially when there are really only two main characters (three if you count the car!)| #10 Jan 07th 2006, 7:02pm | |
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MellaithwenSUPERNATURAL IN THE UKSunday January 22nd 9pm on ITV2 and then on the 23rd at 11pm on ITV1 | #11 Jan 08th 2006, 12:15pm | |
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sonoralieYeah, on top of being disgusting, the plot was a little thin. Boy, that sun rose just in the nick of time...I also hope Missouri shows up again. I really liked her. And right now, I wouldn't mind a season ender that was a cliffhanger or not. I just want to watch the next freaking episode! Now! Edit: Okay, now I feel like an idiot, because I saw the trailer again. :) | #12 Jan 08th 2006, 5:44pm . Edited Jan 08th 2006, 6:04pm | |
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P.L. WynterOkay which trailer did you see? I haven't seen a lot, only the ones they play on tv. I'm on a pretty slow dial up computer and downloading anything takes for freaking ever. I was lucky I just got the promo downloaded without this dang computer crashing, lol. I can't wait until I get my own apartment. I'm getting a cable modem...| #13 Jan 09th 2006, 11:44am | |
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Silver KittenJust my two cents here, but I reckon ANY ending the writer's toss at us (cliffhanger or not) will have me on edge, going to strangle the TV and screaming for it to bring me another new episode ASAP! I am already dreading the break between seasons 1 and 2...but the one, and ONLY, good thing that will come from it will be an allowance for me to catch up on reading a ton of awesome Supernatural stories, and writing some more to vent my pain from missing it. I miss it already. And I saw a spoilerish clip for tomorrow's episode and I cried...I can only imagine what I'll do when they actually air it. Speaking of crying, I saw a rerun of the episode where the guys return home... and this will have a -*-*spoiler*-*- if you haven't seen the episode... That scene where Dean saved Sam from a painful suffocation always gets me reeling in tears. But it totally ** me off that they cut out of that scene so quick! It's like suddenly Sam is dying and Dean to the rescue, but, Oh- that's all done and over, and it 'wasn't that big of a deal' to continue with it. Where is our justified moment of brotherly appreciation?! Also, I'm glad people over the ocean will get a chance to see the show! I think everyone should be equally blessed with the Winchester brothers on their televisions...it'd only be fair. ^_^ ~*Silver Kitten*~ | #14 Jan 09th 2006, 4:34pm | |
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P.L. WynterI know what you mean about the episode "Home." When Dean came in and saved him I really wanted him to say something. You know that he'd say some smart ** comment, and I wanted to hear it! God. :)And I need to vent, yet again, about my anger with the Pistons for making me wait until Saturday to see Scarecrow. :( I almost can't handle it. Because I know everyone will be talking about it and I'll be like, "Oh God, oh God, I wanna see it!" Sigh. Woe is me. And as for the break between season one and two...I don't even want to think about it. I don't know what I'll do. I'll have to resort back to season one OC...which is nothing compared to this show. Man. The DVD's better hurry up and get out so I can watch an episode any time I feel like it, lol. | #15 Jan 09th 2006, 5:12pm | |
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LittleWingI think the reason why they didn't do anything with Sam nearly being strangled in that eppy is because Dean actually holds Sam. Okay yeah he pats him on the chest too, but he doesn't let Sam roll away like he tried/wanted he held him like a good big bro. Though a wise ** remark wouldn've have been cool then too, break the tension or ease little brother's mind.Are you from Detriot, PL or round abouts there? Just asking because the piston's wrecking havic on your SN veiwing and all...figuring that that would be a reason. I'm surprised that they aren't doing that where I am at too then. Probably up on another station. You know I saw a challenge just between your post and the one before it, could be interesting. Hmmmm what would've been said? | #16 Jan 09th 2006, 9:35pm . Edited Jan 09th 2006, 9:37pm | |
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P.L. WynterYes, I am indeed from the Detroit area. Blast us and our phenomenal basketball team. :)You know, that would be a pretty fun challenge. :) We'll have to hold onto that thought...hehe. | #17 Jan 09th 2006, 10:25pm | |
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LittleWingI'm about 90 mins or so from there. I'd show you on a map but you can't see my hands...sorry 'bout the bad pun...couldn't be helped.| #18 Jan 10th 2006, 10:32am | |
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P.L. WynterHaha. :) Only people from Michigan can use their hand as a map, lol.| #19 Jan 10th 2006, 11:07am | |
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sonoralieMaybe they cut away so quickly to preserve Dean's dignity. You know, give the character a little privacy (just so you know, I'm against privacy in this case. I want to see EVERYTHING! :D ). I love that episode, but I was kind of hoping they'd rerun Asylum before the new ep aired. Oh well.My sympathies to everyone who lives in/near Detroit. I'll try to rein in my ecstatic enthusiasm after tonight's show. :P | #20 Jan 10th 2006, 4:26pm | |
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Kasey ClarkI think they cut out so quickly in the Home episode because they didn't want to show Dean giving Sam too much comfort to Sam. Even though it was was one of the best moments in that episode. Personally, though, my favorite was when Dean called John and almost broke down. It had me almost crying. And it ** me off even more when John showed up, but didn't go see them. I understand why, but it still angers me.as for the season finale, I think they will have something completely unexpected up their sleeve. I can hardly wait for the new episodes to start back up, I can hardly imagine the suspense they'll leave in May! I just hope the WB puts it out on DVD SOON! | #21 Jan 10th 2006, 5:22pm | |
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P.L. WynterYeah I wanted to see Asylum before the new episodes too. You'd think they'd play it since this new one starts where it left off. Oh well. And thanks for the sympathies, lol. I'll just have to wait until Saturday...but then hopefully I can watch episodes on Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday. It might be an overdose, lol. Kasey: Yeah, the part when Dean called his Dad was my favorite too. It teared me up as well, lol. | #22 Jan 10th 2006, 5:23pm . Edited Jan 10th 2006, 5:24pm | |
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sonoraliePL, there is no possible way to overdose on this show. None. I'm convinced. Oh my God, I can't wait until next week! Already! I'm so greedy...| #23 Jan 10th 2006, 7:19pm | |
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P.L. WynterLol! Yeah, it would have to be one of those good overdoses. :) Everyone feel free to talk about tonight's show. I don't want to hold anyone back if they want to discuss it, hehe. (secretly the suspense is killing me and I just want to know what happens.) | #24 Jan 10th 2006, 8:06pm | |
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Silver KittenScarecrow is my new favorite episode, particularly in regards to the brother issues (although I will admit I could have used some follow-up on the whole Asylum thing...but I guess it could be implied)...The first ten minutes were the most intense thing I've ever seen on this show.So many truly wonderful things happened in this episode. Dean had so many awesome one-liners... Sam had so many moments where I wanted to smack him and then pull him into a hug... I don't want to ruin anything for those who haven't seen it, but this episode...I mean, I knew I was going to cry, but I didn't know I was going to cry SO much...I had both sad tears, and tears of joy... And that ending...with...I mean...I am at a total loss for words, really! My heart goes out to those who can't see it yet...and I don't mean to brag because I've seen it, but I am just so overwhelmed by this episode I need to get my excitement out before I explode. And okay, I just need to say two things...which, would contain spoilers...nothing that gives too much away of the story, but just certain scenes... One: I don't care what the circumstances were, I don't know how Emily could have stayed in that cellar and not pounce on Dean and make out with him...just, come on, lady! Two: That line, which I absolutely melted at, when Dean talked about Sam's "puppy dog look"...that's got to be one of my all-time favorite lines! And it displayed so much of Dean's character in that one line...about how he feels about his brother. And I lied, there's another thing I need to mention-- The part where Sam affirmed he was seriously leaving, and he was walking away from his brother who waited by the car in silent, disbelieving horror, Dean got that look in his eyes...he realized his brother was seriously going to "abandon" him...again...I mean, really people, that expression has scarred me for life. If I EVER have to see that look on Dean's face again...I don't think I'm gonna make it... And okay, okay one more thing! Geez I feel like an idiot being so excited about this episode... The phone conversation between Sam and Dean, where Dean gave his "apology" and...told Sam some things which I can't even repeat without breaking down with joy and grief...and the look on Sam's face when he hung up, and understood that Dean had said "goodbye"...those...eyes...that face! *weeps uncontrollably* Okay...LASTLY, which this will imply a major spoiler... I hate that chick in the end and I want answers, I want to know what the frick is up with her and why she wants to stop Sam and Dean...I mean, omgwtf! *hyperventilates* I do sincerely apologize for this...and whoever might be reading it...but I feel so much better now that I got SOME of my venting done...this episode is just so amazing I couldn't help but talk about some of it. Oh, and next weeks episode...Faith...FINALLY we can see it...I'm so ** that I have to work that night so I'll have to wait an extra 2 hours before I can watch it!! And yes, stab me now, that statement was totally unfair considering some of you haven't even seen tonight's episode, and won't be able to for a lot longer than 2 hours...*huggles* You own every ounce of sympathy I am capable of. Now, P.L., if you've read any of this...I'll understand if you want to delete this post...all of this random, emotional outburst-ing. It'll probably take up a bunch of your forum page :-S Sorry...but yeah, feel free. I'm just happy to have had the chance to express my love for this episode. :) With that, thank you and good night...at least, it's good night for me...in the sense that I am going to bed so I can get up for work tomorrow. Yet, I know I won't sleep because Scarecrow is going to be replaying over and over in my head...and I'm near definite I'll have to plop something down on paper for it and write some kind of a story to avenge this thirst I have for more Supernatural. Ok, I'm just gonna shut up now. ~*Silver Kitten*~ | #25 Jan 10th 2006, 8:54pm | |
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P.L. WynterLOL! Well I'm glad the episode effected you so much, hehe. And how could I delete a post like that? It was the funniest thing I've read all night, hehe. :) Hey, two hours can feel like a lifetime, so my sympathies friend, lol. | #26 Jan 10th 2006, 9:01pm | |
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Kasey ClarkYes, I agree with Silver Kitten, Scarecrow is definitly my favorite episode now. But for PL's sake I won't say anything Kitten hasn't already mentioned. The intensity in this episode was too much. (if there's such a thing) I mean it had you constantly crying and laughing. I think that's the most emotions either has ever shown to the other all year. The phone convo between the two was my absolute favorite. I wanted to cry, but I also wanted to hit Dean and his inablilty to complete a full sentence. But really it was alright because Sam got what he was saying. And I have absolutely no idea why Emily did not pounce on Dean. No matter the circumstances, nobody in their right mind could have passed that up! I was angry that the episode left off with May. I want to know what's going on with her! I have a feeling she'll be a reacurring role. I would take a shot at what she might be, but will wait until PL actually knows what we're talking about. :) Oh, and there is most definitly no such thing as an overdose of Supernatural. I've tried; no luck. | #27 Jan 11th 2006, 4:47am | |
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WindyfontaineOh, I'm so glad I discovered this forum thing! (Waves at P.L. Wynter and says thanks for starting it.) I thought I was the only one so obsessed with this show that I watch both Tuesday and Sunday and then the tapes and want to watch it with the lights out, uninterrupted :) This episode (Scarecrow) was amazing and I won't add any spoilers but wow, so happy this one followed Asylum. I agree with the other comments and could feel the emotions the brothers had in those intense scenes. They definitely belong together fighting evil. Anyway, didn't mean to horn in (hope it's okay) but I just had to express my feelings for this show. And I love the fanfic challenges ideas and hope maybe soon to write for one. But I'll avidly read what everyone else writes first :) I almost envy those that didn't get to see the ep. yet-you won't be disappointed, it's really, really good. Have a great week!| #28 Jan 11th 2006, 8:42am | |
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LittleWingI'll do my best to not add any more than Silver Kitten already gave away, I promise *holds up scouts honour sign with fingers...what I was a scout for a couple days...it just didn't work out, okay ;-)*Those of you who haven't seen this are going to love it. I still like home and skin and asylum ahead of this one, but the angst and brother moments are great...esp at the end, you are going to LOVE the Dean line at the end. Yeah Meg...what DOES Sam see in her? She tries too hard. On the other hand how did Dean not try to whoo Emily? Of course there could be something wrong with her that kept her from trying anything with him. Hello if it were me and I knew that I was going to be taken away to my death and I was trapt with an incredibly hot man...how could I not?! The scene where Sam left Dean...man, that was me and my sister's we'd of killed each other after fighting like that. We never say sorry either. I kind of came to wonder one thing...sorry this one little tid bit wouldn't stay quiet and after everyone's seen this eppy what I say will make sence. I think that Dean views himself not as the strong one as others, ie Sam and Dad do. I think that Dean views himself as weak and pathetic, and views Sam as the strong one. I only say that because Dean tries hard to please his dad, probably in hopes that John'll come home to stay. While Sam is unafraid to question and push back against their dad...Just a theory. Well I better stop now or else I will start to spoil... Oh yeah one last thing, the song at the end of the ep, I have been waiting since the show started to hear it on there. I love Bad Company...I think that it sums up the Winchester clan. I'm listening to it right now is why I even thought about it. | #29 Jan 11th 2006, 10:27am . Edited Jan 11th 2006, 10:31am | |
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Stefanie DaleI just have a question about "Scarecrow." And I don't think you guys'll mind if I geek and start picking out minute details. ;-)In the very beginning, when Sam's talking to John, Dean wakes up and he has no shirt on. The blanket slipps down his chest a little and there's nothing there. My question is: doesn't this take place, like, the morning after "Asylum?" Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if so, wouldn't something that, as another author put it, "can chip concrete from fifteen feet" leave at least a bruise on his chest? And some bruises don't fade all too quickly. A few years back I fell on the ice at an ice skating rink and had a bruise on my hip bone for about a month... I could be wrong! *L* Often am... | #30 Jan 11th 2006, 12:03pm | |
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NobdyPtclrFirst, I completely agree with Stephanie about Dean's speedy recovery from the Asylum. A couple other nitpicky things from the episode - Why did Dean need to put his shirt on to talk to his father? Why would the professor show him the right god/spirit if he's in league with the town? And my husband really wants to know why the townspeople didn't try to stop them from burning the tree. They knew that the Scarecrow only attacked at night, right? (I managed to convince him that the townspeople were so distraught that two of their own were killed that they decided not to interfere, but this is kind of weak - they were going to kill Emily after all.)Don't get me wrong - I still loved the episode. The character interaction is the most important thing to me, and it was incredible. I also agree with Little Wing that Dean doesn't see himself as the strong one. He seems to be jealous of Sam's "normalness" (Did I make up a word?) And how many times has he pointed out that he is/they are not normal or are freaks? I loved the focus on the brothers' relationship, although those parts made my husband roll his eyes, and especially liked that Sam finally realizes that he belongs with his brother. | #31 Jan 11th 2006, 12:43pm | |
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Kasey ClarkI have to most definitly agree with the last two posts. I was wondering why Dean did not have any bruises on his chest. I mean, bumping into something will leave a bruise for days; getting hit with rock salt would take a LONG time to disappear. Sorta aggrevating. As for the proffesor telling about the pageon god, I have no idea why either. And I suppose the town thought Dean and Sam had already left and weren't worried about the tree? But that would ruin the whole point of Dean asking the professor about it. I suppose the writers were just focused on their emotional aspects and were not as concerned with the hunting job. I agree with the theory that Dean thinks Sam's the stronger one. He probably thinks he's never good enough at what he does. Maybe? Just an idea. | #32 Jan 11th 2006, 1:06pm | |
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P.L. WynterYou guys! Go ahead and talk!! Don't hold back because of me, lol. I'll see it eventually so just talk until your heart's content! :)| #33 Jan 11th 2006, 3:19pm | |
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LittleWingPerhaps the reason that he put the shirt on was to hide that there's nothing there, a sort of cop out on actually having to put body makeup on him.Well the professor tried to gloss over the page that Dean stopped at. He also told Dean that it was barely even considered a woods God. Dean was the one that stopped him on the page and read the info...the proff was less than convincing at his attempts to lie, Dean totally blew by him. And then there's the entire why not give the last piece to the puzzle since they're only going to kill him anyway. I do agree about the ending though...why wasn't there anyone there to stop them? Hmmm...could've been a combination of fear of the scarecrow, grief at the loss the town suffered and disbelief of what happened...or maybe they finally relized that it was time to end the sadistic act that they'd kept up for far too long. | #34 Jan 11th 2006, 4:57pm | |
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sonoralieYeah, the episode did have quite a few little plot holes here and there (the tree one at the end really bothered me), but I still enjoyed it. The motel scene at the beginning was a wee unrealistic, but then again, it seems like TV characters can recover from the most dire of injuries more quickly than any real person possibly could. :) Besides, this is Dean we're talking about. He IS a superhero!I liked the fight scene between them, but I loved the apology. I liked that Dean acknowledged the fact that Sam is (or was) trying to live his own life, and I really liked the hint of regret in Dean's voice at never trying to do something different with his life. I thought it was hilarious that I had no idea what the hell Dean was trying to say, while Sam understood perfectly. Although, I hope this doesn't mean that there won't be any more tension between the brothers, because that's one of the things that keep me watching. And this episode reminded me yet again as to why Dean is my favorite - everytime something threatens to get too mushy, he turns the comedy on. *sigh* Love it. I'm so anxious to see where this show is headed. It had better stick around for a long time! Yay! Now I feel all giggly. | #35 Jan 11th 2006, 5:02pm | |
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GhostwriterOkay, this is totally random, but I don't care. I listen to 107.7 The Bone and the classic rock just seems to help me write Supernatural stories. It's like channeling Dean. I love it.| #36 Jan 11th 2006, 6:50pm | |
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P.L. WynterGhostwriter, I have certain songs I listen to when I write fanfic for Supernatural too, lol. And funny that I found two songs that go with the brothers perfectly on the same CD. It's not my favorite band in the world, but the songs fit with their personalities. It's Theory of a Deadman, the CD is "Gasoline." The songs are "Hello Lonely", which I connect with Sam and "Since You've Been Gone" which is Dean in a nutshell, lol. Sometimes I listen to just those two songs on repeat to get myself in the mood, hehe.| #37 Jan 11th 2006, 7:44pm | |
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Stefanie DaleMaybe, and this is just theorizing, but maybe the reason Dean put his shirt on was a psychological level. All we really know about his and Sam's childhood was that their father raised them to hunt Bad Things and that John is ex-Marine. We saw how quickly Dean changed during the phone call - at first he was "Dad's on the phone! And he's talking!", then as soon as he got the phone it was "Yes, sir." Very distinct change, almost like an ingrained behavior, so maybe that's why he put his shirt on?The professor... sort of like a "yes, I'll play nice so you don't get suspicious?" More theorizing about the end - maybe the people wanted the killing to stop? They might have been too scared to do it themselves (or at home freaking out because the Scarecrow nabbed Emily's aunt and uncle). Maybe a secret desire that they were too afraid to carry out themselves? | #38 Jan 11th 2006, 7:50pm | |
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GhostwriterOh, my gosh! I was thinkin' 'bout that earliar myself. I mean, he was always the 'good little soldier' as Sam said in "Asylum" and putting on the shirt could be like, "Dad's got a job for us, I'm ready to go". I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one thinkin' like that. Catch ya on the flip side.| #39 Jan 11th 2006, 8:34pm | |
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LostandAlone22There was one thing that I found particularly endearing about "Scarecrow." Did anyone notice that when John was talking to Sam, he called him Sammy twice, but he also called him "Kiddo." I just about melted.| #40 Jan 12th 2006, 12:05am | |
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Kasey ClarkI noticed that with the phone call. But it sorta upset me because when Dean grabbed the phone he immidiatly answered "Yes sir." there was no talking like with sam, just straightforward gave him the assignment. the shirt incident, hmm, i think that had a lot of factories. Trying to cover up the "bruises" and being ready to leave. What does everyone think about Meg? John said the creature that killed MAry And Jess was a demon, so maybe that chick's related to it? Not so sure about that idea. :) | #41 Jan 12th 2006, 4:23am | |
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tripping-my-wireMeg.. What a creepy chick..I was sure she was going to meet the pointy part of something during the end, ending her existance. But I'm guessing shes some sort of worshiper of the demon, not neccesarily related to it. Anyone else that can't wait for Faith? I'm literally counting the days people..Lol :P | #42 Jan 12th 2006, 6:59am | |
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LittleWingThe way that Dean changed when he got the phone was really quick...I think that he's tried to please their dad for so long, or at least be the good boy that doesn't question everything and upset the old man like Sam does for so long that he doesn't know how to be any other way with the old man. It's interesting duelism that while Dean is all "yes, sir" with dad he secretly longs to be able to have the strength to say what Sam did and leave. Dean will never be the one to do the leaving, he doesn't feel that he's strong enough and it's so much easier when others do the leaving. I felt so very bad for him when Sam left him on the road...I know he drove away and Sam walked, but Sam still was the one who left him by the road.As for Meg, she probably does just work for either THE demon or a demon. Human's seem to call demons father for some reason. Personally I hope that she does run afoul one of the many knives that the Winchesters seem to have...or some other type of weapon that will end her overdone rearend. | #43 Jan 12th 2006, 10:45am | |
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a writer of ficsAll of you who have seen that Scarecrow episode I envy you. My cable and TV was off, so I didn't get to see it. Now I must wait til Sunday to see it! The way you guys talk about it now I know I absolutly must watch it on Sunday!| #44 Jan 12th 2006, 12:16pm | |
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sonoralieHumans call demons 'father'? I didn't know that...I have a feeling Meg is going to stick around for a while. Maybe she's a demon herself. Can they take human form? I have no idea. | #45 Jan 12th 2006, 3:51pm | |
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LittleWingWhy not? That one did a mean John when it stood over Sam's crib. Angels can appear in human form, so why can't demons?| #46 Jan 12th 2006, 10:51pm | |
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P.L. WynterOoh, good topic for discussion! I'll put my two cents in. I think it all depends on personal belief and what sort of literature you use as your guide. For instance, in the movie "Constantine," demons could take on human form. But in other pieces of literature, they couldn't. I guess it depends on who your sources are. As for the whole humans calling demon's "Father" thing, I think that in a lot of things I've read, they do that. I would think it's sort of a creator/creation type relationship. Like the way people call God, Father. Humans who follow demons are usually looking for some payout in the end, maybe eternal life or something. That's just my view on that. Heck, I know of some cults where the followers called their leader, Father. So again, it all depends on what sort of literature/belief system you have going on here. | #47 Jan 13th 2006, 12:36am | |
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NobdyPtclrAgreeing with Little Wing again about the duelism that is Dean. It seems like he is still looking for his father's approval - maybe for the unconditional love and warmth that he remembers from before his mother's death. Sam never experienced that - he only knows the one personality of his father - maybe this makes it easier for him to question and to disagree. The promos and the pilot kind of made it look like Sam and his angst would be the big character focus of the show. As the episodes progress though, Dean has developed as the deeper, more conflicted character. (IMHO) | #48 Jan 13th 2006, 8:49am | |
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LittleWingI 100% agree. I got the feeling from the pilot that the show was supposed to be more about Sam than Dean...but as it gets further and futher along/in Dean's the one who keeps stealing that focus- be it a smartass comment, a look, a smile, an ill timed joke or the suppression of his emotions. I also agree that Dean has memories of his dad tucking him into bed, reading him bedtime stories, tossing a ball around probably even visits to the zoo or park...Sam has none of that because by the time that he was able to start really holding onto memories his dad was already head long into marine mode and not really good for the "caring and sharing" thing anymore. I do think that Dean tried. I think that Dean's love is the only unconditional love that he feels he's ever had, even though everything their dad has done was both to kepp Sam safe and avenge Mary. Really I'm surprised that Sam was able to even have a relationship with Jess like he did...but then again they never said that he and Jess had a great start either, I bet that she really had to work to get him to open up...even then she didn't everything about him even if she thought that she did. As for calling a demon father, PL I agree. Brainwashing can also cause that. If Meg is human perhaps she calls it father because she feels indebted to it somehow. Perhaps it's given her some power, "saved" her from a disease for a price, or helped her to "escape" her family and then it treated her as the child it never had and so she calls it father. There are many many possiblities and theories to be had there. I think that, while I really like Sam, I am being drawn to the duelism of Dean. He's a very complex character without being overwrought. I like that were only get to see a layer of paint as it were get peeled back a bit each show before he covers it up with a fresh coat...of course Sam sees it too which I find great and even better that he never says anything. Dean knows that the more time he spends with Sam pieces of himself come out and Sam can see teh hurt he feels/has felt and how much he's hiding and I think that it makes him feel both relief and a bit naked/vulnerable. They have a very complex relationship...as most siblings do. And I'm now over thinking... | #49 Jan 13th 2006, 10:44am | |
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Kasey ClarkI agree with the whole concept of the storyline centering more on Dean. I think, in the beginning, the writers planned on focusing on SAm, but then everyone loved Dean so much they decided to explore his character abit. And that's fine by me, because, personally, he's my favorite. Although, the show has shown some of Sam's side. Especially in Home, when he was talking to Missouri about his powers. And in the upcoming episode, Nightmares, they focus more on Sam's premontions. So I suppose they will begin to make that shift beack to Sam soon. As for Meg,I have no idea. I figure she'll be a recurring role, so I'll try and discover what she's all about then. | #50 Jan 13th 2006, 2:19pm | |
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