If it helps any, I was the founder of the old and long-dead Flame Rising Official Fanlisting.

Psh, well they should have. I would at least think that you guys would want to invite the original Fireplace members. But whatev.

A lot of the old members of the FP aren't here anymore. Daisy stopped by a few times and that was it, Debatra came back too, I think (Whispy comes by every once in a while). The crayon fucking days are over - it was nice being with all the old-timers of the FP, but like the crayon days, it's over. :P You'd hardly recognize anyone anymore.

This is more of a place where the newer members of the FP came together after the deletion of the original. As time passed by even newer people came and old ones left. The FPA is similar to the FP, but is very different from it.

Yea, yea. I gotcha. Congrats. You guys are pretty touchy here for a bunch of Flame Rising supporters. I'm just playing with you.

Not everyone's touchy. Just usually me. -_-; Sorry.

You guys are pretty touchy here for a bunch of Flame Rising supporters. I'm just playing with you.

I know I'm not a mod, but shouldn't you guys move this to the chat thread?

I know I'm not a mod, but shouldn't you guys move this to the chat thread?

No. We're discussing my complaint.

I'm sad to hear that us old timers only stop by every so often. And it makes me even more sad to think of the crayon-fucking days as over.

No. We're discussing my complaint.

Well, while we're discussing, as you've probably already been told...the old FP this ain't. Even though some of us weren't around the place from the beginning, we, too, have some insanely good memories of the FP that will probably never be matched. We can't control that it's gone. The best thing to do is suck it up and accept it. Sheesh.

MJ, you're taking this too seriously. Relax.

MJ, you're taking this too seriously. Relax.

What? She's talking like we actually had/have some control over the transition from the FP to the FPA. We couldn't help that it was necessary. It's not like we wanted it. Excuse me if I'm just a bit irritated.

Are you implying that the userbase has no control over the quality of the forum?

We didn't have any control over the dumb shits for new people and trolls that came in and ruined the place.

What? She's talking like we actually had/have some control over the transition from the FP to the FPA. We couldn't help that it was necessary. It's not like we wanted it. Excuse me if I'm just a bit irritated.

Actually, I seem to remember saying I was just messing around for one. Although, I'm going to defend myself. Don't think that, if I come in here and get attacked by a bunch of you, I'm just going to leave with my tail between my legs.

Also, I never said I wanted you guys to be the FP. In fact, I think I've mentioned several times in another thread that being the FP is a bad idea because it began to suck so badly to be in there after awhile, what with all of the annoying children hanging around.

I don't know why you're irritated, but I'm thinking you should calm down and stop being overly touchy.

Actually, I seem to remember saying I was just messing around for one.

I guess I missed the memo.

Don't think that, if I come in here and get attacked by a bunch of you, I'm just going to leave with my tail between my legs.

I also guess I missed the part where I told you to get the f out.

Also, I never said I wanted you guys to be the FP. In fact, I think I've mentioned several times in another thread that being the FP is a bad idea because it began to suck so badly to be in there after awhile, what with all of the annoying children hanging around.

You may have said that, but you're also moping about how the old days are gone. Oh woe is you. Do you think we haven't noticed they're gone? I'm sorry if that gets on my nerves.

I don't know why you're irritated, but I'm thinking you should calm down and stop being overly touchy.

I'm thinking I don't like people who just parade in somewhere proclaiming, for one, that they're God, and for two acting--whether kidding or not--like they're the best thing to ever happen to, say, this forum. I have a real problem with condescending people. Apologies.

I guess I missed the memo.

Sad. Not my fault.

I also guess I missed the part where I told you to get the f out.

I missed the welcoming party. Also sad.

You may have said that, but you're also moping about how the old days are gone. Oh woe is you. I'm sorry if that gets on my nerves.

Oh snap! Who could believe that on my first visit to the old forum, I brought up the old times! What a concept. Gosh, what the heck was I thinking! In fact, I should have pretended it never existed considering this forum is obviously superior in every way.

I'm thinking I don't like people who just parade in somewhere proclaiming, for one, that they're God, and for two acting--whether kidding or not--like they're the best thing to ever happen to, say, this forum. I have a real problem with condescending people. Apologies.

I actually don't ever remember acting like I was the best thing to happen to the forum, but when you put it out there like that-- I'm not going to deny anything. I may jokingly proclaim to be God, but thankfully enough, I don't go around playing mod and telling people where to post their shit. Oh, any not to mention that they get angry when I correct them and tell them my replies are in the correct place.

Whether or not you disagree with my complaint, there is no reason to get all angry at me for putting it out there. Is this forum for discussion or jumping at people's throats? Or maybe that's what discussion is these days, what the hell do I know?

We didn't have any control over the dumb shits for new people and trolls that came in and ruined the place.

No, we didn't. But you know what? We still had control over the quality of the forum.

Yes, we get dumb shits coming in here. But the FP had about three new dumb shits wander in every week.

But F/R made it work, because he wouldn't put up with their bullshit. The forum started going downhill thanks to all of the immature and irresponsible idiots that were populating it, so he made rules to keep it in check.

Now, as you said, we still have dumb shits and trolls coming in. It should be no problem to deal with it. But this forum was founded on a bizarre ideology of avoiding conflict at all costs, that we should give any new person that wandered in a big hug and a kiss on the cheek. Thanks to this, shit went out of control. We have retards filling the threads with pointless shit, we have emo fucks from an even shittier forum flooding in and making our own forum get worse, and we have shitty mods that don't do a damn thing and then refuse to host reelections when their time is up.

MJ, all of this happened because we let it. We had control over what we were doing. We could have complained to Jeannie, we could have appealed for mods that actually did their work, we could have just fucking done it ourselves and told all the retarded newcomers to shape up. But no. This forum is really friendly guys, we don't want any trouble here! No drama!

That ridiculous mentality led to this point. It encourages inaction, and so you just blindly follow that encouragement. As soon as you start actually noticing how badly this place fucking sucks, all you do is post and complain about how much better the old days were. Not one fucking person in this entire forum is willing to do a damn thing other than complain about how bad things have gotten, about how much better the old FP was.

But no, this isn't the old FP! It's a totally different thing! That's why it's different! And yet we have WoW threads and challenge threads and just about everything the old FP used to have. Trying to claim that the FPA is "meant to be different" is completely hypocritical. If you wanted something different, then post on another forum, or better yet a different site.

God dammit every single person here is just fucking pathetic, and I'm sick of it. This post will probably be adressed or maybe even deleted by mods who no longer have any right to even serve in that capacity, but at this point I don't care. This forum has gone lower than I ever thought possible, and I want to fucking do something about it.

Oh snap! Who could believe that on my first visit to the old forum, I brought up the old times! What a concept. Gosh, what the heck was I thinking! In fact, I should have pretended it never existed considering this forum is obviously superior in every way.

It was the way you brought them up. I suppose it just rubbed me the wrong way.

I actually don't ever remember acting like I was the best thing to happen to the forum, but when you put it out there like that-- I'm not going to deny anything. I may jokingly proclaim to be God, but thankfully enough, I don't go around playing mod and telling people where to post their shit. Oh, any not to mention that they get angry when I correct them and tell them my replies are in the correct place.

The way I read it, it looked like it was more of a chat than a complaint. It was only a suggestion, not an order to move the discussion. I was not angry that you corrected me.

Being, personally, a religious person, your introduction post offended me. If I had known it was a joke, perhaps it would've been different. Your profile does you no favors in my book, either. Not that you care, at this point.

Whether or not you disagree with my complaint, there is no reason to get all angry at me for putting it out there. Is this forum for discussion or jumping at people's throats? Or maybe that's what discussion is these days, what the hell do I know?

I know that I wouldn't be so irritated if you'd lose the condescending attitude. That's all I'm getting off of you. You know, if you'd come in and perhaps said "Hey, I'm Kairi, I was a member of the FP from the get go" I wouldn't get that. Instead, you march in asking why none of us told you about this place. That sounded like more of an attack, whether it was meant as one or not.

A little conflict is always a good thing. That's why the Fireplace got so boring. FR thought he was doing good by keeping everything fun and organized, but it was getting to the point where he wasn't just keeping trolls out, he was keeping all the fun out!

Your MJ friend may hate me, but I'm having a blast. I love a little tiff if it means helping to bring people out of their shells.

Getting along isn't a bad thing either. I'm not saying I don't agree with you Kairi; I'm just saying there was a period of time were it was fun and organized, but not dead and lame.

No, we didn't. But you know what? We still had control over the quality of the forum.

Yes, we get dumb shits coming in here. But the FP had about three new dumb shits wander in every week.

And that's what ruined it. I didn't even want to post anymore because the dumb shits had scared the usual crowd off.

But F/R made it work, because he wouldn't put up with their bullshit. The forum started going downhill thanks to all of the immature and irresponsible idiots that were populating it, so he made rules to keep it in check.

...but one day he deleted it. Wasn't that because he didn't want to put up with it anymore? He was going to leave the forum to someone, was he not? He didn't. We had an offsite forum for a while, and I don't know about you, but I thought that place was pretty much the shit. Few trolls. Few dumb shits period.

That ridiculous mentality led to this point. It encourages inaction, and so you just blindly follow that encouragement. As soon as you start actually noticing how badly this place fucking sucks, all you do is post and complain about how much better the old days were. Not one fucking person in this entire forum is willing to do a damn thing other than complain about how bad things have gotten, about how much better the old FP was.

I don't sit and complain about how much better the old days were. Yes, I've mentioned to you and a couple of other people in bouts of nostalgia how I fondly remember how things were, but I've accepted that they aren't coming back. I try to make the best out of what's going on!

But no, this isn't the old FP! It's a totally different thing! That's why it's different! And yet we have WoW threads and challenge threads and just about everything the old FP used to have. Trying to claim that the FPA is "meant to be different" is completely hypocritical. If you wanted something different, then post on another forum, or better yet a different site.

Aren't you kind of contradicting yourself? It's different and yet it's not? I post here because most of my old friends from the FP actually are here. I like that. I count you as one of those friends.

It was the way you brought them up. I suppose it just rubbed me the wrong way.

Well, I apologize that you were offended. I assumed that people that support flaming and Flame Rising were a little harder to offend.

The way I read it, it looked like it was more of a chat than a complaint. It was only a suggestion, not an order to move the discussion. I was not angry that you corrected me.

It probably was becoming more chatty; it was the fact that you were playing mod that I even replied, otherwise we were most likely all finished talking. It wasn't as if us talking was hurting the thread, in fact, this forum seems mostly dead. It was probably doing some good.

Being, personally, a religious person, your introduction post offended me. If I had known it was a joke, perhaps it would've been different. Your profile does you no favors in my book, either. Not that you care, at this point.

Ahh, well I truly do apologize for that. I'm not religious and always joke about those things. Again, I generally assume that everyone would have to think it's a joke. As if God would be posting in a forum that intentionally hurts people. Through harsh flames.

A lot of things in these forums are offensive, but that's the risk you take by getting on here and reading through things.

I know that I wouldn't be so irritated if you'd lose the condescending attitude. That's all I'm getting off of you. You know, if you'd come in and perhaps said "Hey, I'm Kairi, I was a member of the FP from the get go" I wouldn't get that. Instead, you march in asking why none of us told you about this place. That sounded like more of an attack, whether it was meant as one or not.

I'm not going to change the way I talk because you take things too seriously. It's unfortunate that you think I'm attacking you, when it really seems that I've been defending myself since I've stepped into this forum. Usually if a person says they were joking, another person may respond, "okay, not funny, but you were joking," and it's done from there. But if you want to keep dwelling on it, I'd be happy to continue to think you're being a tad overdramatic. I don't know if I've said this already, but this is just a forum. It's not like it's going to affect your life.

A little conflict is always a good thing. That's why the Fireplace got so boring. FR thought he was doing good by keeping everything fun and organized, but it was getting to the point where he wasn't just keeping trolls out, he was keeping all the fun out!

Your MJ friend may hate me, but I'm having a blast. I love a little tiff if it means helping to bring people out of their shells.

I don't hate you. I just didn't get the right first impression from you. We got off on the wrong foot. Or wait. You like conflict, yes? Perhaps that's what you were looking for?

And for your information, up until this January I lived my life in a shell. The shell's gone. This is all me, uncensored, unabashed, unapologetic.

Getting along isn't a bad thing either. I'm not saying I don't agree with you Kairi; I'm just saying there was a period of time were it was fun and organized, but not dead and lame.

Getting along is never a bad thing, and I will agree that there were good times at the old forum. I'm just saying that conflict is healthy too.

But no, this isn't the old FP! It's a totally different thing! That's why it's different! And yet we have WoW threads and challenge threads and just about everything the old FP used to have. Trying to claim that the FPA is "meant to be different" is completely hypocritical. If you wanted something different, then post on another forum, or better yet a different site.

If this was at me, I said that it was similar to the FP, but it's still different from it. It's true we still have WoW threads and challenge threads, and some other threads but it's not the same. We also have threads that could've been found on the Furnace, which was nothing like how the FP was meant to act, neither do we have threads where people go to complain about the flames their gotten. The FP was made for lulz and it centred around FR - we were the guests in his house. The FPA is similar, but it also offers different things that the Fireplace didn't have and never would've had.

and we have shitty mods that don't do a damn thing and then refuse to host reelections when their time is up.

This one is my fault, but as Jeannie isn't around and on her trip for a while longer, I'm still here. I wanted to be gone after summer ends, but that's not possible till our admin gets back. I fucking promised to be around here when they're gone and so here I am. When Jeannie comes back, fine, I'm gone. I admit to not having done as best as I should have and encouraging the no-want and shut down all drama.

It's unfortunate that you think I'm attacking you, when it really seems that I've been defending myself since I've stepped into this forum.

If you'd stepped into this forum in a more friendly fashion, then perhaps you would've found yourself NOT being attacked. I mean, it's just a thought.

-_-'

This whole situation makes me feel really upset in general.

As if God would be posting in a forum that intentionally hurts people. Through harsh flames.

A lot of things in these forums are offensive, but that's the risk you take by getting on here and reading through things.

I'd like to point out that not everyone is here to intentially hurt people. Me, for example. I just like the people here.

I don't hate you. I just didn't get the right first impression from you. We got off on the wrong foot. Or wait. You like conflict, yes? Perhaps that's what you were looking for?

And for your information, up until this January I lived my life in a shell. The shell's gone. This is all me, uncensored, unabashed, unapologetic.

Well, congrats. And I do like conflict. Maybe not constant conflict, but I do like a little bit of fun every so often. And it's been awhile.

Getting along is never a bad thing, and I will agree that there were good times at the old forum. I'm just saying that conflict is healthy too.

Sometimes a little conflict is healthy. However, if it gets this far, it is time to end it. So end it.

Sometimes a little conflict is healthy. However, if it gets this far, it is time to end it. So end it.

Well said.

Look. This had started out as a legit complaint, but if all you guys want to do is complain at each other, then take the shit to the chat thread, or the debate thread. I don't give a damn if I'm telling you where to post, but take whatever the fuck this is out of this thread and resume it somewhere else. I don't care that you're fighting, don't do it here.

Look. This had started out as a legit complaint, but if all you guys want to do is complain at each other, then take the shit to the chat thread, or the debate thread. I don't give a damn if I'm telling you where to post, but take whatever the fuck this is out of this thread and resume it somewhere else. I don't care that you're fighting, don't do it here.

THANK YOU. -hugs-

I'd like to point out that not everyone is here to intentially hurt people. Me, for example. I just like the people here.

haha, I never flamed anyone myself. I didn't mean everyone, but that's what Flame Rising was all about and his forums. I would imagine the second forum would have to be the same...

And my second quote meant all forums on FF.net in general, not just this one.

haha, I never flamed anyone myself. I didn't mean everyone, but that's what Flame Rising was all about and his forums.

Alright and understood. :)

Again, I generally assume that everyone would have to think it's a joke. As if God would be posting in a forum that intentionally hurts people. Through harsh flames.

This is the last thing I'm replying to here, and I'll stop. Do you honestly think I believed you were God? I didn't appreciate the joke. Now. I'm not wasting my life any further on this, like Mono said, shit. And that's all it is.

I'm defending myself. That's all.

Is there any reason why a internet fight took place here? -is confused-

People just had a difference of opinion and some misgivings, I suppose.

It was awesome. You guys missed out. There was stick-figure fighting and egg-throwing.

But, in the end, everyone won.

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