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xxTunstall ChickxxThat's what I figured too Sarah, until my guidance councilor started getting on my case about it. We don't have the PSATs in Canada, but my evil G.C. said that since I was planning on applying to uni in the U.S. in the future, that I have to write them to see if I'm on the right track. But because Canadian schools don't do any review about the PSATs and the curriculums are different... plop - that would be the sound of about 10 different textbooks and/or books being dumped into my arms. Bleah. And above all that since I'm going to France for my exchange in February, i have a bunch of 'pre-catching up work' to do. 'Pre-catching up'? Seriously? You too Sarah, good luck. Kris: I was just talking to this neuro surgeon who's doing NaNo. He says he doubts he'll finish it, with all the work he's got, but that's it's good to have something to keep his mind off of work. BTW, what's the book? EDIT- SATs - is a standardied test for getting admitted to college in the states. It pretty much says wether you're ready for college. That's what my guidance councillor says anyways. PSATs are the ones you do in grade 10 to see whether you're on the right track for the SATs. I'll probably post it, but I want to see how it's going to end first. So far so good, but you never know when your little fictional minions will rebel... | #4151 Nov 08th, 1:37pm . Edited Nov 08th, 1:41pm | |
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KrisElevenOh, Claudes. That sucks. I have faith in you, though!! I suppose I could have done it anyway, but I think it would just provide me with this big, shiny distraction if I actually got signed up for it, lmao. Plus, I can get pretty obsessive about things and having a structure like that would drive me to follow all the word counts and stuff. Maybe next year I'll do it. The book= Last Resorts: The Cost of Tourism in the Caribbea...zzzzzzZZZzzzzzz |
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xxTunstall ChickxxGreat, that's one of us. --grins-- I'm not particularly worried. I walked into my first ever exams last year without ever studying (I suppose I should feel guilty at that, but I really don't) and did well. My friends, which, for some unfathomable reason unbeknownst to me, are studyholics and didn't sleep a wink all week. Ergo, they gave me the silent treatment for a bit. --laughs-- good old stiffs. Oh, sounds... yeah, I can't even use sarcasm, that just sounds boring. Good luck. |
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KrisElevenThat's right on the money. The review is 2000-2500 words, too. *dies* Well, considering this is due tomorrow, you know I can relate, lmao. I hardly ever study and I hardly ever start projects before the day before. My roommates pretty much hated me everytime I got an exam back because they all would have seen me a week or two earlier doing it in half a day with huge breaks as well. Haha. I could have much better marks, I suppose, but I'm really just not all that motivated. |
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xxTunstall ChickxxHear hear. Though, sadly, I actually do have to go now.... --cry-- I don't wanna... |
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Alliekat1996Jibber-jabber all day while I'm not here why don't ya! XD Jeez, you guys talk a lot. I have to do my Weekend HW still... -cry- at least there isn't much. Any of you read Graceling or Fire- did I ask this already? It's by Kristin Cashore- wicked good. nnnn... I'm lost... I haven't written anything on my fanfic for two months, and now I can't remember what I was doing with it... -sigh- I've noticed that many of us have a tendency to do the little ... thing. I dunno. It's just so fun to use them! but I never see them showing up this frequently in an actual book... weird huh? |
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xxTunstall ChickxxHaha, sorry Allie. And no, I haven't read it. By the way: the little ... thing is called 'ellipses'. |
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Alliekat1996I knew that sorta. You know how you are thinking of something, and you know you know the word for it, you just can't remember it? Yah like that. It's okay you haven't read it- it's not very good anyway. It was my feeble attempt to try to copy someone else's style and write it... Didn't work out. I hate being out of character, and it's very difficult to try to copy another character, in my opinion. I find it easier to use my own- that way I don't have to worry about being out of character. If you've done -original- stories, you notice that many of the characters depict people you're close to. I've always found that funny. Then again, if someone ever read a story of mine, they might be a little fearful of the people I associate myself with. But they're not really that bad! They simply have a lot of similar traits. You know, the only character that never shows up in your own work is yourself. Then again, few people even know themselves that well. It's very hard to try and imagine what you seem like to other people. Suddenly a friend compares you to someone who you thought was at the other end of then spectrum, but when they say why- you realize they're right. Well, that's how it goes for me, anyway. Oops, I'm rambling. Sorry. |
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KrisElevenI love the ellipses. XD They make me happy and I'm not sure why. I find that most of my original characters switch around a lot-- I like the structure of fanfiction. I know how the characters are going to behave in certain situations and it makes plots easier to follow for me. I need to 'work with' original characters for a long time before I can do that. |
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Alliekat1996Heh. I get that. My problem is that with someone else's characters I'm afraid I'll mutilate them with my style, so I just leave them alone so I can remember them as the author left them. Heheh. With my own characters though I get into this 'mode' Before I write something, I play every little bit out in my head, or at least I do now. Characters develop in my head as if I were temporarily them. They don't have the same personality, since I 'become' EVERY character, even the small ones. If they were all just like me, then it would be a rather boring story, wouldn't it? Unless... I have multiple personalities? BAH! No way. Heheh. 'night! | #4160 Nov 08th, 6:01pm . Edited Nov 08th, 6:13pm | |
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xxTunstall ChickxxOkay, I'm sorry, I have to ask: has anybody been on mylifeisaverage.com? That site just made my life. |
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Alliekat1996?no? Whad's dat? |
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KrisElevenI have! I haven't ever been on it, though. Its kind of like f my life, no? |
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abyssgirlOk, I need to vent. This girl that I'm friends with is driving me mad! I'm being subjected to listening to her daily complaints about all her aches and pains as if I give a crap, and what's more - whenever people offer actual useful advice, she completely disregards it and then excuses herself by saying that she doesn't like the thought of it all. She's disgusting unhealthy - OBESE - yet criticises her own brother (who, by the way, is PERFECTLY FINE BMI-wise) about his diet. Hypocrite much? I've lost count of the number of times she's opted for a McDonalds instead of actual proper good food. She's constantly missing school because of all her various real (or imagined) illnesses; she has crap attendance and punctuality rates; and she's unreliable when it comes to doing homework or contributing to group projects, yet she expects us all to just put up with her lazy attitude. She's studying for her A-Levels, which are vital to her entrance into any good universities, yet she can't even be bothered to put in a bit of effort - she's already turned up late to all our practical exams for Chemistry and Biology. Our Chemistry teacher refers to her as "the problem child", yet she just brushes it off as a joke, and then if any of us press her about it, she whines, "Well, I'm tryin', aren' I?" (dropped letters there deliberately) WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT THIS? SHE HAS BEEN RUBBING AT MY LAST NERVES FOR TWO YEARS NOW!!! Ok, I realise half of what I've described up there are probably normal for most teenagers, but I'm telling you - she's ridiculous! We had a huge fight a few months ago about some of the aforementioned things, yet she hasn't seemed to have changed at all. Right now, it's like... it's like she's only hanging around with me on campus because no one really thinks much of her - it doesn't help that she barely cares about her appearance either; that alone can scare off half the girls I know. I'm being honest when I say that I don't think I can stand it for much longer... and what's worse is that we share three out of four of the same classes for the next two years! If we fight again, it'll be plain awkward - relieving for me, in a way, but still stilting. Truthfully, I think I'd actually welcome the break! What am I supposed to do? | #4164 Nov 18th, 2:10pm . Edited Nov 18th, 2:12pm | |
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Alliekat1996I have something to say, before I get to the advise. I've been dealing with a guy for seven years who has assburgers (SP- sounds weird) and he doesn't even know. I know because his mother told me. He has caused me trouble for seven years but I put up with it. There is a girl in my class who if you're moderately nice to here thinks she's your best friend. I've dealt with her for three years. She laughs extremely high pitch, and truthfully I can't stand her. But I put up with her. Neither of these people have any friends, or understand what's wrong with them. I really don't have a choice but to be friends with them. Neither of them would understand if I tried to distance myself peacefully, so I wouldn't be able to get away without being hurtful. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices for others, even if we don't like them. I have to hug and kiss the father I loathe because it hurts my grandmother to see me being indifferent to him. Sometimes we have to put up and suck up. As I a m 'weird' the disabled and other weird people are attracted to me, in a way(not a physical or romantic way) They seek me out because I don't push them away. I've had many other problems like this, but I cannot name them all off. I listened to a girl I couldn't stand cry and hug me, and confess about the way her step-father raped her. Sometimes you have to forgive people for their faults and pretend. It can be ** you- very h@rd, but it's the right thing to do. I understand where your coming from, and have asked similar questions, but there is no way out of a relationship like that with being and feeling like an @$$ afterward. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth. There are methods of calming yourself when they vex you. It's what I do. I usually absorb myself in a book, and try to forgive them. You shouldn't enable people, but it's important to understand them, and the problems they have. She may have problems like my friend does for all you know. I'm sorry. for some reason FF.net is being weird and starring out 'hard' | #4165 Nov 18th, 2:24pm . Edited Nov 18th, 2:28pm | |
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abyssgirlYou mean Asperger's Syndrome; that, however, is different - it's a form of autism. You can't help what disabilities you're born with. And as for the girl who laughs extremely high pitch, there was a girl exactly like her in my class for the past 5 years... I just thank God for her now that she's left - she wasn't treated too well at our school because of how she was. And I do appreciate what you've offered me as advice. I've been trying so hard not to say anything to her about this yet (again) but it's just too frustrating at times because I have a short fuse and she seems to know exactly how to set me off. These days you'd probably find me walking around with music playing in my ears when I'm around her, just so that I can stay calm... and ignore the worst of it. I know it all sounds so horrible of me - I feel really bad at times because I know that how good a friend she can be; it's just that it's so rare these days for us to actually get along without one of us saying something that annoys the other. Sometimes I wish she'd picked a different college to go to... one where she could have made a fresh start, new friends, new life. One where she would fit in much better. One where people might understand her better... Does that make sense? I mean - I seem to attract newcomers and oddities too, just like yourself, and most of the time, I don't mind. It's just when they're too clingy that I regret even saying hi... Argh. I ought to have been a boy. I'm not good with feelings and emotions. |
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Alliekat1996heh. Yah. It's okay to be ** off at people, you don't want to enable them. Tell them what they did wrong. I know what asperger's is, I just didn't know how to spell it. It can be hard a lot of the time. The girl in my class is extremely clingy. It's okay to wish people weren't there, just don't -ya' know- act on it. Heheh. Sometimes people don't see whats best for them even if it's staring them in the face. All you can do is help them how you can. Boys aren't the only ones with problems, you know. Heh. Emotions are unstable, unpredictable, confusing things. You don't need to worry yourself. I just happen to be a person who is comfortable with stuff like this. However, if ONE MORE PERSON says I should BE A SOCIAL WORKER I will seriously hurt them. |
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KrisElevenI completely disagree, Allie. KJ-- You are neither her thearpist nor are you her mother. If the bad times outway the good than it is simple. Don't be her friend anymore! It doesn't make you an as.shole to outgrow someone. It makes you human. If you take an honest look at your relationship with her (preferably when you're not pi.ssed off) and you don't find that you like her more than you dislike her traits, then change the relationship and spend less time with her. I have a friend who is one of the only people who can really get me riled up. I have discovered that there are certain things I cannot do with her. I cannot hang out with her and one other of my friends at the same time. They play off each other until I get really **.ed. I cannot be with her when she drinks because she gets really annoying and whiny. And I cannot be with her near her parents because they act like three year olds together and I get annoyed. When I get annoyed, she gets more whiny and I get more angry until we hate each other. So, I don't do those things. I'll go to the movies with her, or hang out on-on-one over dinner or a walk or a game or something short and low key where she won't get excited and annoying. I love her to death, but I have taken a look at our relationship and decided how it works for us. It is not your responsibility to be her friend. That is just stupid. Your time is too valuble to waste with someone who makes you miserable. And, frankly, what good are you doing her if you're p.issed at her all the time? It was easier for me because my friend went to another university, but there she met friends who liked everything about her and who she could act really immature with and now she is much happier than she was with our group in high school where she was treated like crap because we were all so frustrated with her. I can see completely why you would be annoyed with her. That sounds really annoying and I don't think I would want to spend much time with her either. If you want to try to save the friendship, think of things you can talk to her about that bug you. For example, tell her you don't like to hear her constant complaints when she won't take advice and then ignore her when she does complain. She'll get the hint. Don't agree to do schoolwork together, and then let go of trying to control her study habits. Tell her it makes you uncomfortable when she harps on her brother, or do what I did after a few months of listening to my friend and her mom yell at each other on every car ride to school and tell her flat out that she's being a bi.tch. lol. That worked well with our personalities, anyway... Allie... You have an odd idea of friendship, frankly. Sure, its good to be nice to people who may annoy you a little, but you have to think of yourself too. It doesn't make you noble to put up with someone you dislike. They probably sense that you dislike them and it will make whatever personal issues they have that much worse. Honesty is more noble, even if it hurts a little. |
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Alliekat1996I'm sorry, but some of the people I hang out with are really cool. You have to see some people for their good points because they don't have much else. I agree you should tell them what you don't like or want, otherwise you would be enabling them. I consider these people as those who rely on me. If I'm not there who will be? Nobody was there before. I'm really defensive about this because it hurts like friggin h.ell when you're alone in the world. I've felt it. I know it. Nobody deserves to experience it, no matter what's wrong with them. It's fine if you don't agree. It's up to you what you do, but I am imagining it from their shoes because I've BEEN there. I've literally hit the bottom. Sure after you get there, the only way is up, which I suppose is what I did, but it is like a hopeless emptiness. It's not worth living, because everyday you walk in and people sneer at you, talk about you behind your back as if you couldn't hear. Your entire life consists of a dull pain to the point where you wish you don't exist. I was at the bottom, and I wanted to die. I didn't commit suicide, obviously, but what about the people who have it even worse, don't have the will to put up with it? I put myself through it so that these people who don't understand, who CAN'T, don't hit the bottom, because some of them will collapse under their one heavy weight. I don't want anyone to feel that. Not only that, but when you hit the bottom, you lash out- you want others to hurt. Oh- and how I wanted them to HURT. It's a guilty pleasure, other people's pain. What would you think of someone that's so pitiful that they want other people to hurt. And worse, they only want those people to hurt as badly as them, so what do you think those people are going through, to enjoy pain such as that? Not everyone is strong, so, how do they cope with it all. Easy, they DON'T. They kill themselves. I believe in Karma, and maybe if I help other people, it will come back to me. If I put them down, try to escape, will I go back to that place? I never want to be there again. So maybe every little bit you're kind to someone else, it puts up a little higher on that ladder. People sense the place I came from, and if I can do it, then maybe I can drag them up with me. What kind of person would I be to let them linger in the dull pain and misery of loneliness, and hurt? A pretty terrible one, I think. However, it's up to you what you do. If it comes back to haunt you, don't count on me to drag you out of that pit. You put yourself there. I help only the helpless. | #4169 Nov 18th, 5:57pm . Edited Nov 18th, 5:58pm | |
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KrisElevenDon't be melodramatic. Without all the talks of me falling into he.ll because I won't pretend to be someone's friend, I'll respond to this. I'm not saying you should be mean to someone or not hang out with someone who has a rough time socially. That's not even the issue, judging from KJ's post, so I'm not sure why we got onto it. Of course, you should be a decent human being and do what you can. However, this not mean that pretending to like them is helpful. If you are so frustrated with their behaviour that you have to zone out or you snap at them, it is not at all a healthy or helpful relationship for either of you. There, you are just being selfish or weak by continuing it. If there are specific things or situations that you can identify that are particularly annoying, speak to them about it and avoid those situations. If that doesn't help, then its better for both of you if you don't push it until you hate each other. Consider the appropriatness of things you are posting on a public forum to strangers please, Allie. |
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xxTunstall ChickxxOkay, okay, time out everybody. Don't make me call in the forum mommy on you! Everybody is going to have a different opinion on this topic, it varies on personalities and the people in question we're dealing with. There are people we won't always get a long with, no matter how hard we try. There are people who are sticky and bothersome and we can chose to put up with it, or we can chose to put a stop to it. I have a good friend who is clingy and can be very annoying, but she can also be a good listener and a good friend, and that outweighs the cons for me. There is also a girl who annoys me and I can't stand, but who considers herself my friend. I avoid her when I can, Not proud of it, problems don't get solved by swerving around them, but it's true. KJ - I wish I could give you my own opinion, but I can't. Some people you can handle, some people you can't. There are too many factors present for me to give a good opinion, without actually having met the girl. However, she needs a wake up call. If she wants to get to a good uni, get good grades, or just have more people like her, she needs to learn that there is a different way to go about the world. She'll learn it one day, it may not be you however that must help her realize this. She is not your responsibility, her actions are her own, I agree with Kris on this. Allie - Opinions vary, no need to get aggressive. You make a good point at times. Aspergers, however, is a different case. There was a boy who tried very hard to be my friend, who was my stand partner in music. He was very... exuberant... and tended to hit me often with his bow, or tell me off because I wasn't playing something right. I would lose my temper and then so would he. However, because he suffered from Aspergers, and I felt bad because of how people were treating him, I learned to control my temper. It helped a lot. Sometimes, all you need is a little patience, and sometimes it is healthy, for you and for the party involved, to know when it's time to throw in the towel. |
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KrisElevenHey, Claudes! Nice to see you! How's it going? |
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xxTunstall ChickxxHey Kris! Truthfully? I've been working like a mad woman for the last fortnight and my marks are not as high as I want them to be. I'm exhausted and have developped an eye twitch, I have also discovered I need both glasses and brcaes (because I'm not abstract enough). My history teacher's a nightmare and my strings teacher's a joke. I'm 5000 word behind on my Nano and haven't written any fanfiction is months. But next weeks the TO European film festival so I'll send a big "scr*w you" to life and go watch some good european culture. How about you? |
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KrisEleven"so I'll send a big "scr*w you" to life and go watch some good european culture." lmao! That's the way to do it! I have not been working as hard as I should and I am still exhausted, lol. I need the Christmas break or at least a nice rest at home to be able to get back to my job and schoolwork. Luckily, I'm heading home tomorrow. :) I'm off to bed for now. I have to wake up at 630 for work tomorrow. :( Night! |
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abyssgirlKris, I know it's not healthy, but at the same time, I also do not know how to... ok, to be blunt - how to get rid of her. Last time we argued, she got the sympathy vote from most of my friends, even though they agreed with me. The moment I drop her, I'll look like a villain again, which is aggravating beyond words! Claudes, as for the wake up call, believe me when I say we've all been giving them to her. She just refuses to respond. And part of me thinks, "ah, well, she's not my responsibility; i ain't her mum," while the other part of me is screaming at the hopelessness of the situation. Since term started in September we've kinda been drifting apart more and more in some ways... I even had to "subtly" push her away from choosing Psychology, just so I'd be able to have one class where I don't see, hear or have to interact with her. Kris, no need to worry about me (or anyone else) controlling her study habits. Like I've stated several times by now, she's impervious to any useful tips. But, you know, I just wish for one week, she could step out of her shoes and see how other people view her. She'd get a nasty shock. |
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Alliekat1996um. I think I was watching too much anime last night- heheh... I don't know what possed me to right all that! Of course if someone is bothering you you tell them off- in a nice way. Oi... I'm embarrassed now. All I just did is spew the stuff my Nanna's been spewin' at me. sorry |
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KrisElevenI'm going to bed, but decided I wanted to post first. :P So, I have nothing to say and am just wasting space here. But I may feel entitled to said space wasting, since the forum has had so few posts lately. You are breaking my heart and the heart of this forum. Yes, you. No, not you. That person creeping behind you! Anyway, you should definitely post something to make the forum smile again. It would make me smile, too. Oh, and back there when I talked about the creepy person? ... Did I make you look? |
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abyssgirlKris, you're very odd at times, you know? =P |
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KrisElevenDon't be silly. I am never odd. You didn't answer the question, KJ. |
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abyssgirlNo, of course not.... *pats Kris on the head* Did you make me look? Nope! XD My friends are always trying to freak me out whenever we're in Chemistry -- "Oh, no! Mr Carrington's right behind you!" -- and so on, and so forth... Feel free to try again though! =D |
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KrisElevenI will. Not right now, though, because you are expecting it. It gives you an unfair advantage. Are you excited for the competitions? I've been recruiting some new judges over the last few days. |
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abyssgirlOh, darn... Yep! Whowhowho? |
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KrisElevenI shall tell you only when their involvement has been finalized. That is my pompous way of telling you that I don`t know yet. :P But when I know, you`ll know. Well, not at the same time, of course. You have to give me some time to type up like an email to you, and to send it, and then you might not read it right away... And sometimes I get distracted by Bejeweled... But around the time I know, I will make an effort to also let you know. |
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abyssgirlOh my God - Bejeweled! I love that game! It's all I've been doing for the past week (I'm addicted, by the way) and it's driving my brother mad (hehe) because I refuse to mute the sounds... but I don't care - it's music to my ears. ^_^ Coolio! How many do you think may be coming on board? |
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KrisElevenLmao. It is so sadly addictive. I have been playing it constantly for the past week or so. Have you got the blitz on Facebook? Probably the most addictive and frustrating game invented in a long time. As many as three people will be joining the insanity we call a competition. It will not be more than that, and may (probably) be less. I actually have to go to bed. I told myself I would be asleep by midnight, which is now an hour and 45 minutes gone. :S NIGHT! |
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abyssgirlYep, Blitz is amazing... --sigh-- Indeed, it is frustrating, but so far, I've managed to hit 32K+. =D G'night! (it's 10 to 7 in the morning here) |
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abyssgirlPardon for the double post, but I meant to say 320K+. Cheerio! |
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KrisElevenIts funny, but I completely understand the need for correcting that. Bejeweled hounoooooouuuuur! lmao. I've had 250k+, but not that high. |
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Alliekat1996-SIGH- bidding on a chat site? Tut tut. :P My granddad wired up my comp to the tv so my screen is REALLY BIG! |
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KrisElevenWhat are you talking about, 'bidding'? Oh, that's cool. I don't even have my TV wired up to my TV, so you're lucky. lol. I just carry around my laptop and do everything on this. |
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Alliekat1996*giggles* Yah, the problem is, is that granddad's customer turns up in a an hour and I'll have to get off the computer... |
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KrisElevenCan't you just unplug it? I have homework to do that I just want to ignore very, very badly... :'( |
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Sweet Sassy SarahFinally almost done with the English paper that's been plaguing me for over a week. Can't wait to send it in!! YAY!! Hello, everyone! How's it hanging? :D |
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KrisElevenYAY! That's awesome. Maybe now you'll talk to me again. :P I am doing good. I have laundry in and when that's done I'll probably go get some groceries. My class was cancelled this morning (yay!) so I'm slacking off. The final exam for it is next week, though, so I should probably be getting readings done. I am obviously not going to do said readings. Sarah. Be my Farmville neighbour on Facebook. I need one more to expand to a bigger sized farm. :P |
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Sweet Sassy SarahOuch. That makes me feel bad, to be honest. Very bad, indeed. Good. Yay for slacking! I was going to get up at like 930 to do this paper, but I was sleepy and ended up getting up at like...1200 instead :D Kris. No. bahahaha. Sorry. I don't want to get caught up in having to harvest stupid strawberries at 4am because you want a bigger farm. I love you and all, but it's not going to happen. Sorry. 3 (I promise) |
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KrisElevenYou don't even have to farm! You just have to be my friend and neighbour and that's it! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( |
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Alliekat1996I had to get off because my granddad had to use my computer- EVEN THOUGH IT'S MINE!- to show the customer the display demonstration thingermajig. |
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xxTunstall ChickxxHaha, Farmville, my dad loves that game. His farm is all mathematically laid out, sigh, he' s so weird. However, he is at level 41, so I guess somethiong's working out for him... I epoically fail at it. I visited a friend' s farm and got lost. That is le fact. So sad. On the bright side, fishville's clawed me into it' s stupid addicting-ness. I have 50 fishies. They make good money when they' re fat enough to sell. So the Bulgarian movie was amazing. I really liked it. It does however mean I have a huge English project due Wednesday which I miust present which I haven' t started and a big French oaragraph due tomorrow. Which I also haven' t started. So Guten Tag to you all and Merry Christmas. |
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xxTunstall ChickxxOh, jeez, forget the Merry Christmas part. It' s been a long day. --smacks herself on the head-- |
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KrisElevenAllie-- It was obviously something important, so I'm sure you survived the deprivation. Plus, you've got it back now! Claudes-- You make me laugh. Consider the Merry Christmas forgotten. My brother has his all organized in the most effective way possible, too. He has calculated how much money you make off a particular crop, taking into account how much it cost, how much you sell it for as well as how long it takes to grow and made a sheet outlining which crops are the best to grow. We may be a little obsessed. Fishville is so cute. :) I have some fish I'm just letting get as fat as possible, but now I'm always scared they'll die and I'll lose the weeks they've been growing in there... Do they die of old age? Is there a particular level they stop growing at? I am sad and confused... |
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