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Topic: Is Writing a Continuation Fict a Crime?
Every time I skim through the new ficts I find Sakura the gangsta, Sakura the pop idol, Syaoran the sk8r boi, abused child, the characters put into the cast of a movie, etc...

Where are the ficts with Sakura Master of the Cards, with her beloved best friend Tomoyo and her boyfriend Syaoran?

Why are there so many ficts that throw away canon and remake Sakura and her friends into people they aren't?

#1 Dec 26th 2005, 9:06pm
Akizuki Sai
Why are there so many ficts that throw away canon and remake Sakura and her friends into people they aren't?

I think it's because some find it difficult to keep every detail about the series in line with whatever plot bunny they have. Add to that the fact that CCS ended with Sakura and Syaoran being an official couple and some don't find it easy to create a story over something that's settled/decided.

I personally prefer fics that follow the series, though I do admit that there are AU fics that are pretty good too.=)

#2 Dec 28th 2005, 5:43am
Aisaki Sumi
It is kind of hard actually. Many would take on the Sakura and Syaoran parting scene and write a continuation of how they meet again in the future years later, but that's all us authoresses/authors can do, since there's a little room for interpretation. I remembered writting a continuation fic for the change card episode, where Syaoran and Kero exchanged bodies and stuff. And i remember reviewers asking me how the hell did Syaoran get into Kero's body XD. Not many people watched Cardcaptors here actually, most of them have only seen a few episodes. But being the dorky anime lover I am, I've seen the entire series without missing an episode and read the manga series =P AND IT'S AWESOME!!! XD
#3 Dec 28th 2005, 7:54am
saNyu hIkArI
Yup, yup. Very true. It's hard, especially for those who's new in this writing thing.

The 2nd movie ended up with Sakura in the air while wanting to hug Syao-chan. The only thing an ordinary writer can do would be to separate them for a few years or so, either one of them miss each other badly, and then getting them back together while one of them is getting married. Typical, I tell ya.

It's exceptionally hard especially when we're not the creators coz we don't know for real what their personalities are like. Some might pull it off beautifully, but what about the others? And then again, there are also some writers that wrote great action/adventure fics but ruined the middle part of the story bu inserting some lemon or lime or too detailed french kiss. Kisses do not matter much for me, make them kiss all the time for all I care but it disgusts me when they chose the perfect fic to ruin it by making the scene.

There are also some writers that got great, amazing plot and twists in the middle but AGAIN, some mistake ensues. I don't really care about the grammar mistake; people aren't 100% perfect, ya know, but PLEASE make sure to make it a SPELL ERROR FREE. It bothers me so much knowing that great fic are yet again, destroyed by some minor error that's deadly as it is.

I'm going way out of the original topic but it's some of the things that bothers me while reading AU fics. I'd also think that it would be much easier for the beginners (like me for an example) to create them back into someone we want or into the images that's in our head.

#4 Dec 29th 2005, 3:50pm
Aisaki Sumi
I agree with what TeDDieZ said. The SxS parting and meeting again plot is super old, unless the writer pulls off some kind of amazing twist and amuse the readers.

I like A/U better, partially because they allow for more interpretation and room for the writer to explore Sakura and Syaoran's personalities. Grammatical errors kill the story, like literally. It can make a story with an amazing plot turn into crap. I usually pick the stories with the most descriptions, the best grammars etc. But it's hard to find those stories, since most of us aren't that great with grammar. (Especially me T___T I wanna stab the grammatical errors, spelling mistakes and typos in my stories) XD

#5 Dec 29th 2005, 4:28pm
arpulver
I think stories that attempt to follow the canon ending is more difficult, but also more rewarding. It's one thing to transplant the characters into a completely new universe, slightly modifying their personalities in the process.

It's one thing called Tsubasa Chronicle, but that's beside the point. :)

The point is that it takes us away from our focal point, which is Cardcaptor Sakura the anime/manga, and the reason we all are skimming this section for stories in the first place. For all the stories that only take the characters and their personalities (or for some of the worst offenders- just the names of the characters), they only touch on a single element of the series we love. In many cases, that's just fine; there are plenty of good CCS stories focusing only on that one element. Add the other elements- the plot development/resolution, setting and even intangibles like the theme and hanyan feeling of it all; you have the potential for a story touching everybody three times as much because that's three more beloved things about CCS that are in your story.

And don't try to play "I didn't like the ending" with me; I can write successful stories following the disastrous Digimon 02 ending, so you can write successful stories with a satisfying ending like CCS.

I'm not trying to knock the notion of AU (and I've got volumes of Tsubasa manga in my room to prove it), but if fans can fall in love with stories based solely on the characters, imagine what the feeling is when everything is in place. There is no rule saying that any of the canon couples have to be apart when a story starts- there are more stories to tell than just how they hookup. That's just chapter one (in chapter two you tell her: you never never never never ever wanna part...). You can expand on their relationship in future years, pull a Kare Kano and shift focus to other characters and their stories, or God forbid it: forget about romance and just give a happy couple something else to worry about! Cardcaptor Sakura is a fairly open ending, and is noticeably lacking in closure for Meiling, Tomoyo, and Rika/Terada. As a Digimon writer, I can say that an ending like that is a true blessing, and should be taken advantage of whenever possible.

#6 Dec 29th 2005, 7:41pm
saNyu hIkArI
Very true. Again, it all depends on the writer's creativities.

Best grammars, eh? I can't tell which grammar's correct and which is not cuz I'm not a master with them myself. I hate grammars myself, Aisaki-san, and thus, I don't really blame writers having problems with grammar. I just hate those having the spell errors, it's entirely annoying. Yeah, absolute crap.

#7 Dec 30th 2005, 1:08pm
Miss Takin
As a Digimon writer, I can say that an ending like that is a true blessing, and should be taken advantage of whenever possible.

As can all Digimon writers who attempt to write in continuity. I gave up long ago.

I like the stories that bring Sakura and Syaoran together in later years (with a relationship already semi-established), and then throw them into a well-thought-out adventure. Good Action/Adventure stories are quite hard to find in the CCS section, mostly because by writing an Action/Adventure story, you're taking on quite the challenge to continue the plot until its done. What's worse is that you have to create plot twists so that you keep the reader interested. Romance is too normal, and just about anyone can throw in some angst and get a plot.

I agree with arpulver, giving closure to other characters is great. We need more Rika/Terada stories.

I like reading AU, but there are too many stories that make the characters OOC, and it's not even CCS fanfiction if you do that.

#8 Dec 31st 2005, 6:19am
Apelles
Authors on this site are not stupid (though with some it is questionable). They found that certain fics bring in the most reviews and seem to work every single time, no matter if the story line is completely predictable. The formula for such a fic is simple, too, easy enough for the most amateur of writers. The question that pops into my head is why are there so many of the same fic?
#9 Dec 31st 2005, 10:01pm
Lord Archive
Add to that the fact that CCS ended with Sakura and Syaoran being an official couple and some don't find it easy to create a story over something that's settled/decided.

I would think trying to improve on the original would be more difficult. Sakura and Syaoran admitted love in a way befitting their characters to close the series. Writing your own 'first time they admit luv' would suggest that Clamp got it wrong, that they could do it better.

And as an author of numerous works, my specialty is messing with characters AFTER they said 'I love you.' Professing love doesn't make all problems magically disappear. Whether it's outside influences causing them trouble or the internal problems of trying to make a life together. Perhaps they start having sex before they're emotionally ready, a love interest appears while Syaoran's still in Hong Kong, Sakura discovers Tomoyo is a lesbian in love with her, demonic threat requires someone of magical power to sacrific themself to seal, and so on....

Saying, 'I'm writing an AU because there's nothing more to write for the original series' is just an excuse. Gangsta Syaoran is highly over done, yet new ficts for that keep being made that offer little if nothing new to the gangster ficts that already exist.

Not many people watched Cardcaptors here actually, most of them have only seen a few episodes.

I can understand readers not having seen most of the series. But when dealing with a complete and available series, authors should do what they can to know the series they are writing about. It's a sign of respect to the creators. Writing a story on a series after seeing a couple episodes, or worse after seeing a promotional flyer listing names, is insulting to the creators and true fans of that series. (Those who have been in the Digimon fandom may recall the 'first Digimon Frontiers fict' was made before episode one appeared in Japan.)

The SxS parting and meeting again plot is super old, unless the writer pulls off some kind of amazing twist and amuse the readers.

If the entire fict was 'Syaoran returns to Sakura,' yes that's unimaginative. Now make Syaoran's return almost incidental, that there's other reasons for him to be in Tomoeda besides courting Sakura and you have something else. And who says that the story has to start with Syaoran's return. Set it during Sakura in highschool and have Syaoran back for months or years.

And here's something I haven't seen: Sakura moving to Hong Kong to be with Syaoran.

I can write successful stories following the disastrous Digimon 02 ending, so you can write successful stories with a satisfying ending like CCS.

Or ignore the epilogue exists entirely and work from Vamdemon's death. ^^

They found that certain fics bring in the most reviews and seem to work every single time, no matter if the story line is completely predictable.

Garning mindless praise for writing a story that caters to the masses is something I can not approve of. I write for myself. If I don't enjoy reading it, then I can't write for it and wouldn't want to inflict it on others. I'm happy to have received as much praise as I have, but I will not bow to the will of readers to change how I write something.

#10 Jan 01st 2006, 8:41am
Aisaki Sumi
CCS is different from other animes, it's much more complete, and CLAMP has done an awesome job on ending the series, or the manga, whichever you prefer. It's hard for authoresses to do a follow up story to that, and even CLAMP themselves noticed it, thats why they created Tsubasa to satisfy the fan's SxS cravings. Stories after they got together and their lives after that are quite dull, unless something like oh the cards escaped again comes into the play =____= but that's just way too boring.
#11 Jan 01st 2006, 9:36am
Lord Archive
I didn't know everyone was married and living happily ever after without any problems until the died. -_-

Yes, Card Captor Sakura is a complete series that told the story Clamp wanted to tell. That there is nothing more they need to do to advance the story as thier major plotlines surrounding Sakura are finished.

However, that's thinking far too narrow and ignoring that CCS isn't just Sakura.

The magic of the cards are not the only magic in existance. Clow, himself, was born from a marriage between an Eastern Sorceress and Western Warlock. Meaning that there exists other magics beside the Clow, magics much ancient than the cards. Perhaps an upstart magician wants to prove his skill against Sakura's magic. An ancient sorcerer or even a dragon may watn to destroy Sakura to claim her magic for themselves. Shinto gods and spirits also make for a good source for an opponent for Sakura to face. Power is drawn to power, and Sakura bleeds power. Her life will never be simple, and possible opponents, friends and enemies Sakura can make in the future are near limitless.

Then lets put to issue that Sakura and Syaoran will spend time apart due their families living in different countries. And when they do get together, they still have yet to face the trials and tribulations of being a couple, let alone marriage. And what about the little issue ignored in manga, that Syaoran is heir to the Li clan-- How will Sakura feel about moving to Hong Kong to be with her beloved?

Then there's the side plots:

Rika and Terada's forbidden romance. Will they be able to keep it a secret? Will they be able to stay together until she's ready for marriage?

How will Tomoyo deal with Sakura growing emotionally farther away from her?

Will Meilin ever move past her feelings for Syaoran and find a new love?

If Touya's and Yukito's relationship ever become public, what will happen to them? Do they ever make it sexual?

Will Naoko ever find love?

To say that there's nothing more to be done, that continuing the story would be 'boring' is to ignore that not everything has been settled, that the world is dynamic and ever changing.

A person's life doesn't become perfect after confessing love. It more often gets MORE complicated. There are limitless possibilities to explore even after acknowledging the end of movie 2. I'm working on one continuation and have many more half-formed ideas for other stories that follow canon strictly. Each staying true to the characters and offering different twists on what the future could hold for them.

I'm not alone in writing focusing on continuations. Her Attractive Power is one of the best fanficts I've read of any series and the various works of Somnambuling are ripe with deep emotion while staying true to canon (though not to Japanese culture :p ).

Suggesting a fict following the end of CCS would be 'dull and boring' is a prejudice remark that is entirely unfounded. It shows a lack of an open mind and imagination. And I personally find that remark insulting to continuation lovers.

I do not go into forums honoring Gangster Sakura for I don't agree with the very concept of it. In order to truly be part of a gang, Sakura would have to abandon her family for the family that is the gang. She would have to make decissions that the Sakura I know never would. And I have to wonder how many authors who write those stories live in a gang area, like _I_ do.

#12 Jan 01st 2006, 1:17pm
Hirari
I don't think that a lot of people could succesfully pull off a continuation fic - i've seen a lot and just didn't get how they worked(though I know of a few really good ones). but there are the Harry Potter xovers, series rewrites, fics where Sakura didn't know Syaoran, Meilin,Tomoyo, etc. during her adventures and therefore only met Eriol, Nakuru, Kaho, Yue and Kero-chan during her adventure (Touya, Yukito and Fujitaka aren't in the list as she already knew them). and a lot of them are quite good. Then I guess you could also look at Syaoran, Meilin, Eriol or Tomoyo's P.O.V of the events of CCS. I'm just saying that even though you may not think there really isn't anything to write after the ending, there are still fics that you could write that are connected to the canon of CCS. but, that's my opinion and you can stick with yours for all I care.
#13 Jan 04th 2006, 3:26am
CataclysmicReality
I gave my shot at doing a continuation fic (I'm still trying to finish it up) but it continues at a point in their lives when Sakura is 19 and it involves the growth she has had in magic and a glimpse into the path she has taken toward her future. In it is also the aspect of others with magic, an order that seeks to increase their own power by stealing Sakura's. There's also the explanation of the history of the worldly magic and the different parts of the past that fill in gaps in the story, such as how and why Clow died at such an early age. There are also many of the more simple aspects in the storyline I've kind of passed by simply because of the time in their lives this story takes place.

If anyone is interested, I would appreciate knowing whether it works or not. Considering how the future was open to the story, there were infinite possibilities for a continuation. Mine just happens to lead away from the carefree life of youth and into the harsh realities and difficulties of one who weilds magic and has to deal with the world as it is.

Being my first story... I just slapped a "general" category classification on it... but it is mostly action, and swings more towards angst as it goes.

#14 Jan 11th 2006, 8:41pm
Lord Archive
False Pretense is an Action-Adventure/Drama series that is certainly a dark yet fun read. Sakura being pushed to use her magic to levels previously thought impossible. The deepening of magical history. Experience becoming the harshest of teachers.

Though there are a few nit-picky things I saw off. The treatment of Syaoran's fight at home being a spectator sport rather than a test. Sakura's first response to the magic thieves was agreeing they should be killed. And that flying GIVES advantage of speed along with superior position, not make her slower. Flying is an advantage in almost any form of battle, especially no-holds-bar-battle-to-the-death.

Having Tomoyo's mind broaden via magic is certainly an interesting way to make it easier for her to relate to Eriol, if a bit hypocritical that she blames only Sakura for all the deception when Eriol was just as involved. Then again, common sense and logic don't have a place where emotion is involved.

And while Yue pointed out that Clow could've lived longer had he chosen too, all indications was that Clow was actually quite old using his magic to keep himself young.

#15 Jan 12th 2006, 8:12am
CataclysmicReality
ah, I never really considered that Clow was keeping himself young. It makes sense.

But I have to disagree with the flying arguement, especially considering her opponent at the time. Flying with wings is hard enough, this is under the assumption that the wings are actually being used to fly, unlike the art in the series where the wings just seem to be there and the character can fly without actually using them. Putting it like that, the thermal currents created along with the methods of attacks would create too many conflicting updrafts and cross currents to fly effectively. And fly certainly didn't work for her when she was trying to go against Eriol in the series. (similiar attacks used by him)

But thank you for your comments. They were very constructive.

#16 Jan 12th 2006, 8:33am
Lord Archive
Fict summary: Sakura and Syaoran have not seen each other for X number of years, can love awaken between them once more?

I've just looked at a dozen ficts that fit that summary... and NOT ONE OF THEM WAS CONTINUATION!

Syaoran is born and raised in Hong Kong, Sakura has lived her entire life in Tomoeda. If you take away the Clow Book, why in the hell would they freaking meet? Syaoran's entire reason to be in Tokyo was to get that book, if it's not there he has ZERO reason to go there for any length of stay. He would remain in Hong Kong to further his training.

Not being forced to work together, how would an introvert like Syaoran ever get to know an extrovert like Sakura? If he doesn't approach her and she has no reason to approach him, how could they learn to care deeply for each other?

Take away their adventures and why would Meilin relinquish her claim on Syaoran and be friends with Sakura?

If Clow never existed, how does Yukito or Eriol exist?

How can Tomoyo and Eriol say they're in love and yet act as if they're two strangers lusting for each other? They touch and grope, yet seem to not know each other at all.

And is there any reason why Sakura doesn't have Kero-chan and her cards in any of these ficts? The series lays down the foundation. They met, fell in love, and professed it before being split apart by family responsibilities. They promissed to meet again, if not in words then their hearts. Why throw all of that away to warp existing characters into shadows of themselves? Sakura doesn't have to use the cards and there doesn't need to be any threat to her if the story is merely about Sakura and Syaoran meeting again. If you need someone to play the 'ex-boyfriend of Sakura during their time apart,' why shove Eriol or Yukito into that role when you can make a new character that would fill the shoes better (especially if said ex-boyfriend is supposed to be a complete jerk, stalker, and/or playboy.)

I won't even go into the couple ficts I saw in this category that I could go 'search/replace Sakura for Melissa, Syaoran for Marvin, and Tomoyo for Susan' and it would read no different as no one was even remotely in character.

#17 Mar 02nd 2006, 9:46am
Ultra Sonic 007
Ah...continuation. In my experience, it's simply best to start anew. For instance, in 2003, I began my revision of Digimon 02, simply titled Zero 2: A Revision. It was a 60-episode long revision of the entire 02 season (and began deviating from the show's plotline drastically after the Digimon Emperor saga). I began in November 2003 and finished in February of 2005 (with my writing ability having improved muchly along the way). IIRC, it's still the largest story in the Digimon section at over 530,000 words (Endgame by Psycho G was bigger, but that was taken down). It is in this fashion that I can immediately begin planning for future plotlines, as the story is Digimon, yet inherently my own.

In canon, such as the 02 ending (ARGHARGHITBURNS...and seriously, whose bright idea was it to have MaloMyotismon get weakened by happy thoughts?), it can be hard to do anything else, as to keep with canon, you have a strict set of guidelines to follow. When you take the A/U route, you have much more leeway.

Though to be honest, I'm getting supremely tired of all these cookie-cutter high school stories. I mean, the Digidestined are already IN high school; there's no need to revolve the whole story around that. What about the adventures? The evil villains that need squishing? The uncomfortable situations that conflict brings?

In any case, my Zero 2 timeline has gone quite nicely thus far...I've already finished two stories since Revision, the first being Housemates (Where Davis and Jun become members of the Inoue family...much to Yolei's chagrin. Can you imagine her and Davis living under the same roof?), the second being Battle of the Shinobi (which resolves an unfinished plot thread from Housemates; due to its different plot objective as compared to Housemates, it warranted its own story...even though it's only a twoshot), and the current one in-progress being The Comeback Tour (the return of Etemon. Need I say more?). It's been a fun ride so far...and it does me good to hear my cast of original characters (the Digidestined are still the stars; most of my OCs are primarily support characters, with the exception of a few) are more like characters and less like the infamous Gary Stu/Mary Sues of fanfictiondom.

You know, looking back on my post, it suddenly seems like a big advertisement. oo;

Oh well. I don't know much about CCS, but I believe the same principle applies to it as well. A/Us allow for you to get away with more...but remember this (and this is VERY IMPORTANT): instead of having the world and the characters fit in with the plot, have the plot fit in with the characters and the world itself.

And if you're going to do a romance, keep age in mind. I don't know how many times I've read a Taiora/Mimato/Sorato/Dakari/Takari/etcetera where the romance is far more involved than it needs to be. I mean, come on...THEY'RE TEENAGERS. Have them act like it!

And that's all from me.

From one author to another,

Ultra Sonikku

#18 Apr 04th 2006, 7:34am
Lord Archive
There are vast differences in the problems of CCS and Digimon.

With Digimon, even if parts of the series get thrown out the window, if characters get their past mutilated, if new (and powerful) characters appear-- most of the time there are still digimon involved in the story. Picking a random fict in Digimon, if 'Davis' and 'Kari' are characters, he's still a goofball and she's still a self-sacrificing girl with one-line insults for him. Or in the case of Daisuke and Hikari, he only cares about what is important to him (and school isn't on the list) while she's practically a tradition Japanese girl applying for sainthood.

Pick a random Card Captor Sakura fict, go ahead and pick one without reading the summary. Chances are there are NO cards, NO mention of Clow, NO reference of magic for that matter, and the character's personalities have been raped. Where Fujitaka goes from being so kind that Sakura has probably never even been spanked, to an abusive father that molests Sakura at night. Touya the gruff yet protective brother, to taking his turn with abusing and raping Sakura. Tomoyo goes from saintly lesbian to making 'Madison' look more in character. From Sakura being the innocent, happy-go-lucky girl, to a chain-smoking prostitute with no qualms of killing anyone. I only wish I was exagerating, but there are fictS where this is the 'characterization' of the cast. That 'Sakura abused by her father and brother flees into the life of gangs.'

The difference between the fanfiction generated are vast. With Digimon I can go to the first page and find a couple ficts that are at least close to canon and don't rewrite personalities of the major characters. With Card Captor Sakura, you can look at first one hundred fict summaries and see no sign of any one of them even attempting to follow canon.

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Sigh. For some reason, CCS has become a dumping site for original stories that people use the names from CCS to garner readers instead of having it ignored as a completely original work of fiction. Which while I can understand wanting to get more people to read your story, the author is really only cheating. I am a fan of Card Captor Sakura, I came here to read about Card Captor Sakura, I did NOT come here to read about a Victorian era peasant girl finding love with a rich land owner, an unwed mother rekindling her childhood romance, a gun-toting gang member who falls in love with rival gang's leader, etc.... In my oppinion, once a fict has strayed so far from canon that neither setting, plot nor characters bare even a slight resemblance to the canon they're supposedly from, that they do not belong in a FANfiction section for they have ceased being a FANwork and are an original work of fiction and should be treated as such.

#19 Apr 04th 2006, 8:59am
Ultra Sonic 007
I see your point. True; A/U stories are fine...but they cease to become A/Us if they lose any semblance to what the original material is. It then becomes original fiction on its own, with only the names tying it to the original story (but seriously...what's with all the rape and molestation?).
#20 Apr 04th 2006, 8:02pm
Saint X
Well, writing a canon- based (with all the canon info added- cards, spells, etc.) continuation fic is hard... very hard... but possible- I do continuation fics ('AS' - after series), with more added and so on...

I have a continuation fic available- though it may be substandard to the current judgement levels of the reviwers here- since those were my first fics- i'm only hosting it until i can rewrite it in remastered form.

I have the same opinions as the previous two posts- about using names for puling in reviews.

#21 Sep 04th 2006, 2:57pm . Edited Sep 04th 2006, 3:01pm
Morrigan's Wings
I know what you mean,truthfully i'm getting sick of AU.I'm thinking of making a C2 that is for non-AU stories only,but first I have to figure out how to make a C2.
#22 Oct 03rd 2006, 3:18pm
Madhumalati
Oh, dear Gods, yes! Finally someone who agrees with the basic idea that fanfiction should, as far as possible, NOT ignore the twists of the original series. I have the same grouse as you against CCS fics, which is why I mainly read TYY (because of the whole Yue business, the work tends to be more canon). I have read a couple of AUs which work, simply because the basic premises haven't been changed all that much. Character bashing, trashy cliches, urk. Even the Inuyasha fandom, which has like five times as many fics, doesn't have half the cliches this fandom has.

I did NOT come here to read about a Victorian era peasant girl finding love with a rich land owner, an unwed mother rekindling her childhood romance, a gun-toting gang member who falls in love with rival gang's leader, etc.... Agreed! And it's not like everything's tied up neatly at the end of the series, as you pointed out earlier. There's a hundred thousand loose ends just in the Syaoran/Sakura relationship, and don't even ask about Tomoyo, Touya, or Yuki/Yue. Just shift two years or so into the future and anything could happen, even within the SS relationship.

Dahh. I've actually given up on SS fics recently because the quality has simply gone nuts. Is there a C2 for genuine Clow Card-filled magical non-bashy fics? Without doctor-Syaoran and gang-leader Sakura (and boyfriend Yukito? seriously, the guy is SO into Touya!) and creepy stalker Tomoyo? Lemme in!

#23 Oct 10th 2006, 10:19am
Saint X
Finally... i have two fics which are based on canon- one backstory about the cards' creation (also made in lieu of the conditions of the second- that of many more cards, many, many more), and one 'second shuffle'- the remastered AS story- with some other CLAMP elements and such...

though only 1 chapter is up on the AS story and update progress is slow- i have an AS Story AL fic to continue.

#24 Oct 15th 2006, 2:45pm
Anna Yolei
Hi, Archive :)

I'm currently watching the series now (Currently on episode 53), and from what I've read in your fanfics that I've betaed, I think one of the biggest problems with the fandom is that it's really difficult to build on what's already there. Sakura and Shaolan (A couple I do not exactly fawn over, even this late into the show) wrapped up pretty neatly, and there aren't a whole lot of loose ends to tie up. Much like the anime NANA, which I suggest you check out, if you get the chance.

Those types of AU's I've seen for this fandom really put me off reading anything. Add in the complete character rape of...well, just about everyone, but Tomoyo in particular, who tends to be portrayed as an obsessed physcho (And probably Meiling as well, I like that character too much to see how her character has been butchered) or paired up with Eriol and her sexuality ignored. I'm not knocking Tomoyo/Eriol fans here and I'm well aware that bisexuality exist, but considering her crush on Sakura is an important part of who and what she is, I hate that it's often not adressed in any way. :?

#25 Jun 06th 2007, 11:36pm
Vicks111
I dont even look at the cardcaptor sakura directory anymore, unless I am looking for something especific...and I'm running out of those.

AUs are thrown back and forth, prince and princess sakura, popular high school sakura and even depressed emo sakura. If people are so desperate for an AU, why dont they go to the Tsubasa directory? At least people there try to follow some sort of canon.

I'm not saying AUs are all bad. In fact some of my favorite stories are AUs. But if a writer is going to set down and write an AU, then he should aim for the best. Another problem might be, that this directory is one of the biggest in the site, it attracts the good and the bad.

Another thing I've seen is people dislike OC characters way too much, again, mostly the fault of badly written AUs. I dont mind the OCs unless they go breaking canon couples. That would be my only OC petpeeve.

People could always crossover with other clamp works, if they feel the field for CCS too short to write about. That's one of the beauties of Clamp and their stories: you can easily team up cardcaptor sakura with x1999 and write what would happen in the battle for the end of the world with her involved, or even try to give an alternate ending to the Tsubasa Arc, they all meeting up and going against Fei Wong in an ultimate battle(I actually have some good things thought about this theme, but then again, whenevr you feel like Clamp is doing something, they go and throw you something off the top of their hats), or even pair up characters from various series (if they are single, that is), imagine Tomoyo taking over Daidouji enterprises and meeting Nokoru Imonoyama (from clamp detectives), and the implications! (I swear, I'll have to write that story one day XD) or even him hooking up with a reluctant Meiling (seeing as he is such a feminist and I cant possibly think of another male lead thats close to her age right now :P). But those are story arcs too difficult for the average writer. I would love to see someone try and pull it off.

#26 Sep 27th 2007, 5:34pm
Kari Izumi
Pick a random Card Captor Sakura fict, go ahead and pick one without reading the summary. Chances are there are NO cards, NO mention of Clow, NO reference of magic for that matter, and the character's personalities have been raped. Where Fujitaka goes from being so kind that Sakura has probably never even been spanked, to an abusive father that molests Sakura at night. Touya the gruff yet protective brother, to taking his turn with abusing and raping Sakura. Tomoyo goes from saintly lesbian to making 'Madison' look more in character. From Sakura being the innocent, happy-go-lucky girl, to a chain-smoking prostitute with no qualms of killing anyone. I only wish I was exagerating, but there are fictS where this is the 'characterization' of the cast. That 'Sakura abused by her father and brother flees into the life of gangs.'

A perfect example of this is here:

:http://anime.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=20357

Complete with derivative fic title and everything. I snarked it at Godawful Fanfiction a couple years ago, as well as a few other places and hits on just about every cliche that irks me in this fandom.

I really don't mind AUs, but as you said, most of them aren't so much AU as glorified original fiction where names could be changed out and no one would know it's a CCS fanfic.

#27 Sep 27th 2007, 8:48pm
saphirablossom
Indeed, the CCS section has been in my opinion "polluted" by AU fics which aren't all bad, as many have already stated. But the CCS section is in horrible lack of continuation fics. For people to say it is difficult to write these continuation fics is only a cheap excuse to continue writing the AU fictions. I myself am an enormous fan of stories that follow the timeline with the cards and magic etc...

AU fictions are what bring reviews, and people take cliche plots so as to get what I would qualify as "instant fame". It really goes to show the self esteem some people have that they feel the need to do that sort of thing.

Going back to the subject, I've been scanning through the CCS section, in search of a good action/adventure fic that continues this wonderful series. Yet I can find none, as I've already typed, 'clow', 'cards', 'magic', 'new enemy', basically, all I can think of that may lead to the sort of fic I'm searching for. If anyone knows any good ones, please let me know. Some of my personal favorites are:

'Dimensions' by THE MOUSE

'Links in a Chain' by Hearts of Eternity

"Cry of a Wolf' by Lilover131

'New Trials' by Wish-chan

'Shadow of the Dragon' by Lord Archive ( which by the way, I hope you'll update soon! )

#28 Feb 04th 2008, 2:25pm

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