Yay for more people hating it than liking it! ^_^

Yay for page 20! ^_^

I wouldn't say I hated it, I'm more wary of it. I'm not sure if I want to see it in theatres or not. The action part of it looks good, but its the "romantic part" that I'm sort of worried about.

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/sherlock-holmes/international-trailer -- Watch it all the way to the end.

*has now asphyxiated self from laughing*

Maybe I will love this movie after all...

hmm.... actually, the more i see of it, the more doubts i have :P *still not sure about seeing it or not*

I can't watch it, I get physically sick when I see that Downey fellow's face now. Absolute idiocy has always made me sick... And to claim attempted accuracy and still end up with that man as Holmes is absolute idiocy in my eyes. So someone shall have to inform me what the clip is about.

don't waste your time. a few added action scenes, and at the end, RDJ -can't call him holmes- compliments watson saying something about his grand gift of silence...-thinks it was quoted exactly from canon- and in response, watson punches him in the mouth.

Ah......so, in other words, even more horrid and uncanonical with continued attempt at trying to fool people that it is canonical. Lovely.

pretty much. the more i see it, the more watson seems OoC as well... xP

*Is lost in helpless laughter*

*Tries to speak*

*Fails miserably*

*more giggling*

OoC or not, both Downey and Holmes needed decked for the thing. Go Watson, imo.

lol, and i'm suddenly reminded of the BBC's HOUN..... xD

*cackles* Take a look at this:

http://thefoolshope.livejournal.com/26097.html?style=mine

Personally, I would like to buy that explanation, as my comments on the entry show. ^^

lol, i bet we could come up with a whole bunch of silly fics based on that movie's...silliness XD

haha, yeah that wouldn't be difficult. :) Hi everyone! Long time no chat. I see Luigi is still limping along. I'm now the manager of a movie theatre and I must say that I am really really hoping we don't get that abomination come Christmas. :) I may have to take a vacation. haha I'm trying to talk the owner out of it...think I've almost got him convinced...hopefully.

On a slightly brighter side, y'all seen the latest on the BBC Steven Moffat Holmes drama/series? Click here. It looks like it might be pretty good. Even if it is set in modern day. At least the director says he's trying to stick with the books. And BBC stuff is usually better anyway. :)

Link didn't work. Here it is again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(TV_series)

Oh gosh!

Steven Moffat wrote for Doctor Who! He's a brilliant author! This is going to be BLOODY AWESOME!

Pardon the language.

And as for Luigi...I for one will have to pried from teh movie theater come christmas.

All respect to the Master JB of course.

-Grovels-

Only Clive Merrison has done anywhere near as well.

hehe yes, Jeremy is ALWAYS the bestest. :P But I know! Steven Moffat is one of the best writers, so I'm REALLY hoping this series will be good. *crosses fingers* At least we know it'll be well written. :) And the actors don't look too bad either.

Talking so much about the new movies made me curious about the old ones. I've acquired a few of them by this point. Does anyone have a favorite?

I rather enjoyed the Ronald Howard 1954 series myself, and I really like the 2002 hound of the Baskervilles, to be honest that's what got me reading Holmes in the first place, I saw it when I was twelve and started reading the very next day. To this day Richard Roxburgh makes up quite a lot of Holmes in my head.

So...anyone?

hey~ we have that in common XD roxburgh was my introduction to holmes (after gmd XD) and his performance captivated me, and i read the canon immediately. i think i enjoy rathbone's series the most though... but, i've not encountered too much so i don't really have fave actors who portray holmes and watson, or a fave movie... although, i recall enjoying 'the silk stocking' and hart's performance in that very much.

honestly, my memory isn't good enough for me to recall movies i've liked and why :/ so the canon (and certain fanfiction XD) will always be what defines holmes to me.

Ronald Howard was my first visual introduction to Holmes. I'd already read the books. I really love that series too, though. While not entirely canonical, it was quite funny and they stayed mostly true to the most important thing...that being Holmes and Watson's friendship. Wasn't too crazy about Roxburghs Holmes. He was a little...eh, I don't know. He did a good Moriarty though! XD

I like Basil for Basil. Always loved him. Of course, JB is my fav, but my second fav would have to be Christopher Plummer. I thought he made an amazing Holmes. And James Mason, though older, was a pretty darn good Watson as well. Murder By Decree is one of my all times favourite movies. His Silver Blaze wasn't bad either, though I didnt like the Watson in that one.

Young Sherlock Holmes is pretty good too. I have TONS of Holmes movies from all different eras so its hard to pick and choose. haha

Hey, has anyone else seen the original SH play?? The one that William Gillette put together?

No but I've read the script, Wasn't bad.

I liked Christopher Plummer, I think he lacked a few qualities, but he has a very good air of authority about him, I've never seen any actor get Holmes' authority down the way he did.

James Mason was awesome. "You squashed my pea." Lol

I LOVE young Holmes. I haven't watched it since I was sixteen and my library got rid of the only copy. I can't find it anywhere!

Heh, we'd have to be like a hundred years old to have seen Gillette, remember? Wasn't his last performance in the 1910s? Though in 1939 Orson Welles (of radio War of the Worlds fame) adapted the play's script for radio and I have that recording - I love it, because it cut out the ridiculous romance stuff that the original ended on. And I have on a radio documentary a copy of the only remaining recording in the world of Gillette's voice reading a few lines from the play for a friend's private phonograph, just before he died. He must have been brilliant.

I loved Murder by Decree, but didn't like Plummer's Holmes much. I liked how he interacted with Watson, but as himself, meh. And he was blond, and that irks me (another reason I don't like Roxburgh's Holmes much). I never liked Nigel Bruce, and Rathbone's Holmes is a bit bulky for my perception of him, having learned the man in the first place from the original Strand magazine illustrations. Personally I adore Ben Kingsley as Watson in Without a Clue. *grin*

I never had favorites as far as tv or movie H&W, though, because I really grew up without a television and never saw even the Rathbone movies until I was in my late teens - never saw Granada until a year or two ago. I grew up with the actors of American and British radio, and as far as nailing the characters I think Carleton Hobbs and Norman Shelley did that perfectly in the 60s onward, until Clive Merrison and Michael WIlliams came along to eclipse anyone else in the history of radio or television. Rathbone and Bruce were much better on the radio, imo, than in the movies, and there were other serieses that were wonderful in their own unique ways as well. *won't ramble on this*

haha No, I meant if anyone had seen the play itself. :) I saw it a while ago and it was really awesome. Which was surprising to me since I went there thinking it would be horrid. There's the silly part at the end, and the guy who played Holmes looked nothing like him. But he was an incredible actor and pulled it off beautifully. It was really great.

Yeah, Ben Kingsley was really hilarious. The only reason I even allow myself to enjoy that movie is because they apologise for it in the end. hehe Oh and I love the radio shows. I don't know who would be my fav. Basil wasn't bad, but I think John Stanley or John Gilbert were the best.

Anyone ever heard the radio drama Sherlock Holmes versus Dracula?? Oooh, I love that one! The absolute best one ever.

You know, I've still never seen/heard the Merrison/Williams duo. Can't even remember, are they audio??

Lol! I didn't know they were still playing the play somewhere! Lucky you!

Kingsley is love in that movie, but then I'm a Watson fangirl to the core. ^_^ Oh, and Loren Estleman's Drac-fic, and the audio version of it, are both AMAZING. I just bought a copy of the book for a steal; it's pretty rare to find a cheap one. Love love love it.

John Stanley I wanted to give a swift kick more than once, but then Alfred Shirley's Watson was hysterical as his counterpart. Sir John Gielgud I never really liked, though that series also had beautiful moments and he has a very Shakespearean flair, naturally.

Clive Merrison and Michael Williams??? They're only THE Holmes and Watson of recent BBC radio fame. Michael Williams has since passed away, but Andrew Sachs replaced him in the recent BBC Radio4 Further Adventures and is also wonderful, though I will always love Williams. Their BBC version of EMPT was the first one I heard, and I stopped everything I was doing that day to sit and listen, spellbound, and since then I absolutely adore them. It is so worth the money to buy that series. LION was hysterical, LAST and FINA heartwrenching, and their rendition of STUD! My word, SO good.

*could carry on like this for hours but will stop now to avoid fangirling beyond embarrassment*

I remember the episode you're talking about...the only noteworthy bit was that Holmes had a sword-cane (I love using shiny things to poke people with). ^__^

I really like your Batman!Holmes crackfic idea--it actually makes sense in a weird, pretzel-twisted way...hence, you're probably not insane. Unless an invisible zombie nargle has consumed your brain along with your sanity.

But I am confused about one thing--I was always under the impression that Lex Luthor was Superman's archenemy...unless you're referring to a certain comic book canon that I have never read?

And I prefer to think that Alfred is Watson...because brain bleach is required for the alternative.

*waves at new forumer*

Man, I really wish these forums would post the replies under the entries that were replied to instead of at the end, because I have no idea what the heck we were talking about that prompted this... If I remember correctly, Kyer and I were the ones talking about the Batman crossovers and so on, and we're both into the DCAU - in which, at least two seasons of JUL and part of another basically turned Luthor into a crime boss whose gang(s) went up against the entire Justice League, so anymore Luthor's synonymous with all DC heroes in my mind at least. :) I've never picked up a comic book in my life, but I can quote all the Timmverses by heart.

Third movie trailer is out: http://www.mtv.com/videos/movie-trailers/452906/sherlock-holmes.jhtml#id=1625471

My brain is screaming that I should hate this, but I think the parts with Holmes and Watson will be better than I'd anticipated (as good as they can be when Holmes is a scruffy, half-drunk dwarf).

His voice and mannerisms are spot on. Better than Mr. Rathbone of the Pharoah-face and the Goliath shoulders.

Not that I don't enjoy his voice performances. :)

"They've been flirting like this for hours."

I feel like a traitor. Those moments between Holmes and Watson are funny and, dare I say it, adorable.Maybe the fluff will redeem it somehow. RDJ seems to have captured the crazy, kooky child aspect of Holmes very well. (Ever wonder why actors can only capitalize on a part of Holmes and never the whole, hmmm.) Pygmy-Bob can be such a cute little urchin when he wants to be.

"It is not in your face; it's in my hand." XD

Bleh. It's still awful. We just put that trailer on Christmas Carol at my theatre. When we previewed the movie I ran from the room for that particular several moments. lol But I have discovered that there is a small...I repeat small amount of good coming from this atrocity. Lurking in the Holmes section of bookstores as I often do, I've found quite a few folks getting into the books just cause they saw the lame trailer and want to know the character better. Hopefully they'll read then realise the difference once they've seen it. :)

By the way, long time no see KCS! How ya been?? :P

Is anyone else anticipating the horde of unholmesian fanfic writers that will soon be flooding our happy little world?

Sigh, i'm worried its going to be just like over in teh Doctor who fandom, a handful of brilliant stories, and then a rush of mindless RDJ worshipers.

Hold on...someone here applied for a Holmes movie section didn't they? All it needs is a story in it to show up? Or am I loopy?

I am worried about that too. I can't wait for the movie, but I don't think I want to deal with the fangirls who don't even like Sherlock Holmes for the books.

*waves at VHunter*

Yeah, evidently the category for Movie!Holmes exists, but my guess is no one knows it does because it has to have a story placed in it to become visible to posters. But once it is, if we start spreading the word around, then I think people probably would post over there simply because it will have a much bigger audience once it catches on - I've noticed that stories in the Star Trek movie category get at least twenty or thirty reviews per chapter more than the TOS section, some of them, due to the whole targeted-at-melodramatic-hormonal-teens-who-know-nothing-about-the-laws-of-time-travel-in-science-fiction attitude of the film. Hopefully that same thing will happen here.

OT, PGF, aren't you one of those (not necessarily mindless, never that!) RDJ-worshippers, m'dear friend? And yes, you are loopy, but that's not why... :P

*hides*

In that case one of us had better put a story up there, we could make a contest of it, to let out all your guys's RDJ bashing drives.

And I worship no one but Holmes himself m'dear chum.

Well...maybe Spock.

But thats all your fault!

As horrible as the new star trek movie was compared with the brilliant first series, I am still convinced that this movie will do well, Downey is a fine actor and he'll make a decent character if not a decent Holmes

Besides there's Jude Law to consider (Get's mop for drool).

Also, I think it would be advisable for someone to write a monograph concerning the connection between being loopy and eating too many fruitloops as a child. I must be one of thousands of victims.

I think that would be really fun.

Holmes is amazing.

Spock is almost as cool though!!!

I am of the same opinion PGF. Plus Jude Law will be good at least. And RDJ is a very good character actor and I think he will do a good job portraying all of Holmes good and not so good traits. What would guys think about Johnny Depp playing Holmes????

I would agree with RDJ's portrayal of character traits IF the traits scripted were Holmesian, but they aren't. Nowhere is Holmes a drinking, carousing, boxing-ring-frequenting hooligan, and no amount of love for the man as an actor is going to change an inaccurate script. He's a decent actor, but the script might as well read as a Dick Tracy or Philip Marlowe movie for all its resemblence to Victorian law and order.

But then that's just my opinion. :P He can only work with what he has, I suppose.

But...Johnny Depp as Holmes?

*brain has exploded, unable to process this idea*

Bosh. :P

oh, Happy B-day! :D

Bosh urself. 8P

And thankee. :)

Happy Birthday!!!! Can I ask how old you are???

Ehh, sure, most people here know anyhow. I'm 22 today. :)

Happy Birthday!

Thank you! :)

Cool!!!

I'm looking foward to the Robert Downey Jr. movie, it seems really cool. The one starring Will Ferrel I think will suck, it had Will Ferrel as Watson and Sacha Baron Cohen as Sherlock Holmes! I bet those two will be ruinning the characters on the film. But the one of this year I think will be pretty cool.

I am excited about the RDJ movie, but I still have my reservations about it.

*sigh* I've got RDJ and Law on several talk shows lately, complete with clips. From my semi-professional filmmaking and artistic perspective, it's a good movie. The lighting, staging, and timing are spot on, the action moments have an artistic quality to them and the banter is hilarious. One problem: it is not a Sherlock Holmes movie. I've said this before. Everything is very good except for the characterization of Holmes. He is Bob the Pygmy Stand-in, not our dear boy. RDJ did do the best he could with what he had to work with though. I can respect that. So, if anyone wants to see a Victorian mystery/suspence/action movie with good friendships and funny conversations, don't let the title stop you. If you want to see it just because it's Sherlock Holmes, You may want to see something else.

Exactly. I think I could tolerate it as a film if I just viewed it as a crime-comedy flick; but Sherlock Holmes it isn't, ppl.

But maybe it'll spur some interest in the original stories. I was expecting the new Star Trek movie (speaking of travesty, btw) to make most people think the old series was corny, but it seems for the most part to only have ignited more interest in the old series and movies. Here's hoping that will happen with this one - and that people will post their movie fic in the proper place and not clutter up the Book!Holmes page. *crosses fingers*

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