It was sort of ironic that the same person(whose name I have ultimately forgotten, despite the fact that I only read the post like an hour ago) that wanted all drow to just disappear wanted something with the duergar. The duergar, as far as I'm concerned, have at least as muchg potential as the drow, perhaps more due to their rigid society and increased interaction(or so I'm told) with the "surface" dwarves(if you want to call living just a little bit underground as surface dwelling). It is true that Salvatore has corrupted the dwarves nearly as much as he has the drow, but dwarves of any credo have more of an appeal to me than elveses.

Of course, I have other favorites for antagonists in stories. I have always considered the hobgoblins as a bit underrated; they are supposed to be very militaristic, yet they seem to only be around in order to get players to level 2. In games I have run, hobgolbins have scared the bejeezus out of fifth level players, because some of them happened to be just as high level(or higher) than the players. I mean, if discipline is a big thing in hobgoblin society, is it really that unrealistic to think that a cadre of hobgoblin warriors could be jujst as nasty as a human and demihuman adventuring party?

I'm also a big fan of the misunderstood. After all, if you are an elven druid watching humans log your forest, wouldn't you be upset enough to call your treant buddies and stomp the nearest logging camp? Couldn't a dwarven mining team that is disupting water to a halfling village be as much of a threat as rampaging orcs? It doesn't always have to be the cut and dry battle between good and evil; sometimes shades of gray are far more interesting.

Anyway, although I don't have a great feel for the Forgotten Realms world(but there's no D&D forums and I don't feel like startuing one, so I bother you people), I know enough to figure out what you mean by Red Wizards or Zhentarim. So let me know, who do you want the antagonists to be in a story? And, yes, I'm doing this for selfish reasonas as well; maybe if I see something I can use, I'll bne able to kickstart my writing again. Of course, maybe some of you people have already found or will find some ideas of your own here....

Huh. That sounds pretty similar to a subplot I'm cooking up for my current story.

As for villains I want to see, I'm going to go with the sinister groups that don't get as much face time as they deserve. Let's see, off the top of my head there's the Twisted Rune, the Xanathar guild, and the Shadow Thieves. I've used the Shadow Thieves in my stories, but I tend to portray them in a slightly less villainous light for plot purposes. Interestingly enough, all those factions I mentioned are groups that tend to sit back and manipulate events from behind the scenes.

I'd really like to see more villains that execute well-planned schemes that actually have a good chance of achieving their (realistic) goals. Not some frazzled Drow matron who just plants her butt on a throne and shakes her fist in the air, obsessing over the heroes while screeching "I'll get you, Drizzt! And your little panther, too!"

Also, Red Wizards, devils (The proper kind, with character, not Glabrezu 0001) corrupted kings who have gone mad with power, and liches. Everyone loves a lich.

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Because any wizard who's managed to make say, level 18 has more brains than to ignore an active threat, send wave after wave of hordes that keep getting defeated or to assume that he is unbeatable.

I suppose that means I like Zents. Power and cunning.

How about a wizard who knows they have to conserve spells; who's willing to throw all their effort into a project if nessasary and who's idea of 'discreet' is not a hulking half-orc, a lean guy with knives all over and a scar on the side of his face and a subordinate spellcaster who's idea of subtle is a fireball?

I cast Explosive Runes on this post.

Subtle is a mind-control spell on a party member to keep a journal and 'loose' it occasionally...In the proper places.

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