I think it's mostly because of most of the PoT fanbase consist of girls, yanno? And I guess --as I have seen of many fangirls-- they don't really like other random *perfect* girls (OCs) creeping up to their favourite bishie and snitching their hearts and all that. (At least that's how they put it.)They want them single I guess. It's probably the same for teenage idols? So if they get married, fangirls will give up, that kinda thing. So I guess I'm just the type not to mind, heheh.

As for shounen-ai degrading fandoms, well, I think I'll have to disagree on that because I don't understand how that can happen.

For Konomi-sensei's point of view on this, well, he definitely won't anything canon between the boys, but he's not going stop fangirls from fangirling possible relationships between anyone. (And so if there's not going to be canon relationships developing between the boys, there probably won't be much between het pairings either. (Although I do hope there will be... haha, contradiction.)

There probably isn't enough RyoSaku out there because there aren't enough people making them. Despite having people who won't read BL, there are loads of people who do and therefore there are loads of people who make BL reading material. ^^ (So us RyoSaku fans better get kicking. =D)

I hope this helps. ^^ Sorry if I offended anyone. (Had tried my best not to. =D)

And I agree with Kei that shounen ai can be sweet but I will not elaborate on this because I might lose myself again and write things that are inappropriate for this forum. *lol*

I personally think Golden Pair is pure friendship, but Keikeiaznqueen is right about Konomi-sensei wouldn't stop fangirls fangirling about possible relationship.

Geez, PoT is a shounen manga and yet so many girls read it! :P

Because friends do sometimes fall in love--even if they are of the same gender. Let's face it, bisexuality,homosexuality, exist--what if the Golden Pair really do feel something each other other than friendship? This is the scenario shounen ai lovers are trying to experiment on.

Well, I guess un-canon pairings are sweet too. (RyoSaku isn't canon and they're really sweet, no?) And it just shouldn't differ gender-wise I guess. As for being close, well, people have to be close to love each other I think, so since being close actually gives a relationship a possibility, I guess that's what fangirls are looking for. =3

People don't like RyoSaku because Sakuno is very annoying in anime, so she doesn't get approval from many fans.

So THAT'S the reason that there is so many yaoi fics in PoT? Because ppl hate Sakuno?

Yaoi is what many fangirls like since the people in a relationship are both guys. Even if she was loved, there still would be yaoi.

If you don't like it, I suppose staying away from it would be best since this kind of topic would offend people... :)

That's generalizing things. Some people can be a fan of boy-love but still like Sakuno. You (I meant this generally) can't just assume that just because a person writes/loves FujiRyo or whatever, he/she automatically hates Sakuno. I'm sure there are lots of BL fans here who adored Sakuno (and maybe even RyoSaku) as much as we do :)

I apologize if I offended anybody ^_^;

I have to disagree with this a bit. One of my favorite series has only one girl in it but still het is the dominant pairing in the fandom (and the said pairing is even nowhere near canon). Personally, I think it's the interaction among the characters that's causing people to consider BL. I think there's more "subtext" (or subtext is much stronger) among the boy-boy interactions that there is with the boy-girl ones.

Yep, I'm a huge Tezu/Fuji fan and also a huge Ryo/Saku fan ^_^. I take precedence over the fact that if two characters in a series seem plausible enough to be paired together, then why not?

several reasons:

1. the fan base is mostly teen girls. Teen girls seem to enjoy flirting with the forbidden and experimenting with homosexuality through fanfiction is the kind of innocent taboo crossing that appeals. rebellion. (although the best slash fic I ever read was written by a guy ^.^)

2. Sometimes, it's just hot. I've no idea why. Some psychological thing that Freud would probably expound upon incessently. Probably something to do with the phrase 'all the good ones are gay.'

3. In a series composed mostly of male characters, it's the male characters that we come to adore. So obviously we want to write and read about them. One of the easiest ways to focus on our favorites is to cut out everyone else. We read fanfiction for the canon characters ne? So if they're in a relationship with each other, we get a double dose of canon (hopefully). Unfotunately, there's a higher risk of one of the chracters being 'girlified.'

4. Angst factor. I've found that there's a higher chance of angsty story in shonen ai. whay? no clue. There just is.

5. Fanfiction is generally about writing what /doesn't/ happen in cannon. Ryoma and Sakuno can be boring because it wouldn't take a whole lot to get them together. But all the slash relationships are only barely hinted at, might be there might not. It's more fun to explore possiblities, and often fans want to go exactly against canon anyway.

6. The girls are just less interesting. Fact of a shonen manga.

7. There is a distinct lack of genuine conflict in this series. This leads to an overload of romance. With OCs being declared MarySues almost before they are written (really folks, lighten up), there's almost no choice but shonen ai. Plus, the homosexuality automatically adds aother level of complication (or at least, it should). If everyone wrote Ryoma/Sakuno this fandom would be dead. Literally. There's only so much you can do with two twelve year olds. Even if you add An Tachibana and Kamio or Momoshiro, it's still a bad situation.

8. Anime (and possibly fanfiction in general) will always include shonen ai. Period. Prince of Tennis is extremely loaded with it, but you might be hard pressed to find a fandom that doesn't have any. .....maybe in books. maybe.

9. Original Characters are hard to write. It's difficult enough to keep the known chracters under wraps. Add a blank slate and most developing writers will struggle a great deal. *shrugs* It's hard.

10. ......Prince of Tennis is on crack. Seriously. A lot of the shonen ai and general insanity here ** me off, but the more I watch the series, the more I see it. And tenimyu is pure unadulterated fanservice. It's painfully gay. really. I can't watch it, and I read the stuff.

11. It doesn't require birth control. (though seriously, some writers need to do a little research on the mechanics of sex...and dating in general)

12. Reactions are easier to track with two guys, for some reason. Not as much introspection.

Hope this makes sense! ^.^ I've been trying to figure this out for a while and talked to a couple different people, and this is basically what we came up with.

ja ne.

pot just don't have that many girls and it can be troublesome creating OCs. and yes, for some unknown reason, yaoi is HOT.

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and we can see that there are more yaoi than ryoma-sakuno lemons,..

PoT is a fujoshi-pandering series,there's no question about it. There is a complaint about it in this website:http://blog.livedoor.jp/moepre/archives/50102916.html. The author is a boy love fan herself but she's annoyed at how Pot is purposely giving out fanservice to the fujoshi demographic.

I think it's more degrading for the characters to find a lovesick Ryoma chasing after a suddenly determined and uninterested Sakuno.

Most yaoi writer find that there is way too much RyoSaku on the site (I do) and most of RyoSaku are painful to read because Ryoma and Sakuno are often OOC and the plot aren't really original.

I write shounen ai (never wrote a lemon) because it makes more sense to me. And, think about it. There isn't only Seigaku in PoT, and not every one prefers the main team. Plus, there are only 2 girls (except for the older ones...) that can be paired up. Once you put Sakuno with Ryoma and Ann with Momoshiro, what's left for those who are fans of Rikkaidai, Hyoutei, Rokkaku, Fudoumine, etc? OCs? It had been said previously, decent OCs are hard to make.

And the fandom isn't only composed of het fans. Now, as much as you love RyoSaku and avoid YAOI, yaoi/shounen ai writer mostly avoid RyoSaku and Mary Sue's. That's the way it is. That's the way it will continue to be. And I hope my opinion didn't offend you ^^'

And the fandom isn't only composed of het fans. Now, as much as you love RyoSaku and avoid YAOI, yaoi/shounen ai writer mostly avoid RyoSaku and Mary Sue's. That's the way it is. That's the way it will continue to be.

You have a nice quote there....

I've found that a good number of people don't like Sakuno or Tomoka. I think a main reason behind that is that they aren't very well developed characters. They aren't given very much screentime in the anime/panels in the manga aside from their bouts of fangirling for Ryoma. That makes them very one-dimensional. I think they'd be more appealing characters if Konomi developed them a little more. (It also doesn't help that the anime messed with her characterization a little. I've heard it generally expressed by non-Sakuno-fangirls that she's more tolerable in the manga.)

Another reason is Ryoma has closer relationships with other characters than Sakuno. He's completely oblivious to her feelings. He's very dismissive towards her and doesn't seem to return her feelings (or even recognize their existance) at the moment. That could be because he just not interested or because he's a 12-year-old boy who is obsessively fixated on tennis. Yaoi fangirls take it as meaning he's just not interested so they pair him with the characters he interacts with better at this point such as Tezuka, Fuji, Momoshiro or even Aoi if we're going by anime cannon.

The fangirls that have seen the anime know it has a lot of fanservice. The anime has a lot of suggestive material in it. They did this because they know that Prince of Tennis has a large yaoi fangirl fanbase. For example, the Golden Pair was pretty much a platonic relationship in the manga. Then if you watch the anime, it's a completely different relationship. The same applies to Ryoma. It's never anything huge like kissing someone but it has little things in there that fangirls pick up on. Examples of this would be Mizuki's line commenting with something along the lines of how he's going to be with Yuuta all night or Fuji asking if Yuuta was going to go on a date with him. When taken in context, the lines are perfectly innocent, but are suggestively worded nonetheless and fangirls minds pick up on it. Even if they have scenes later that suggest that they might be straight (such as Mizuki blushing when he sees Yumiko) it still sticks in our mind the same way as suggestions of another het pairing may be ignored for a more favorable het pairing (like ignoring MomoAn hints in favor of KamioAn hints).

The most common reason, some people just don't like the couple. The "shy girl that has a crush on a guy that's completely oblivious" is just one type of relationship and it doesn't appeal to some people. The lack of female characters limits the number of het couples available and people turn to yaoi because they can find the type of relationships they prefer (such as Best Friends-Lovers, Rivals-Love, Hate-Love or pure crack) with the boys.

I LOVE FUJIXRYOMA! And so on and so forth...people have different favorite pairings, may it be yaoi, yuri, or het. It really doesn't matter. One person may like yaoi and het, or yaoi and yuri, or all.

Most people don't like Sakuno because:

They never or barely read the manga, thus get a different perspective on how Sakuno reacts to Ryoma in the anime. (Which is quite pathetic).

Either that or they don't like, as meer0 said, a shy girl fawning over an oblivious tennis obsessed boy.

Now Tomoka...people just don't like her yelling and rantings about the great and awesome Ryoma. That's just annoying. I mean, seriously, who frickin' brags about a boy who doesn't give a crap about that person while the person is boasting like a mother would about her son.

What meer0 said was true too. Fangirls pick up everything innocent and NOT innocent and make it into...something even more uninnocent.

Besides, some people think gay men together are cute and rare. ;D

Oh yeah, and I think yuri is gross. Not hot romance, unlike yaoi.

There is alot of debate whether or not gay people should marry either. I think most people who stand up for gay people are conservative Democrats...but then again, I'm not that political.

I LOVE FUJIXRYOMA!

Maybe it's kinda because it's appalling seeing someone the same gender or sex making out with each other. Or somethin'.

Doesn't FujiRyoma fall into the above as well? (unless you meant seeing pairings of the same gender as yourself )

A Fangirl would find shounen ai and yaoi appealing YET find yuri or shoujo ai..gross

While a fanboy.... or say, a boy who is hooked with Tennis no Ohjisama, after all POT is a shonen anime/manga which means it is directed towards male audience, would find shounen ai or yaoi disgusting YET would take pleasure in any material containing shoujo ai and yuri.

Basically, we could be a sexist sometimes in terms of approving a relationship between persons of the same sex. We don't like homosexual relationships that has the same gender with us yet it when it comes to homosexual relationships of the opposite gender, we accept it and even fascinated by it.The answer: Human Nature.

For me, both Shoujo ai and Shounen ai are okay, even Yaoi and Yuri are acceptable. I now find them a diversity from the usual het pairings...

I'm not against them or anything, but have you ever noticed that more people tend to write about gay men than lesbian women?

I think yaoi is basically diffrent than yuri. Girls are girls, and boys are boys.

It may not necessarily be created with that intention but it's interesting to see the effects of gender on the way that gay or lesbian relationships are portrayed in fanfiction and fanart. It's not necessarily true for everything, (I've seen some really masculine yaoi and some really femmenine yuri) but it's fun to see the usual differences.

I agree with some of it myself, but to be honest, I think that it's a bit of a generalisation to say that girls like yaoi and boys like yuri, because, especially yuri, I think the fanbase for that is a large mix of both genders. It is true that a lot of us here (haha including me) probably prefer yaoi if we were ever to choose, but I've just seen so many girls write, ship, like or just subconsiously study the yuri in certain fandoms or in general that I choose not to think that there is really such a big gender segregation there as it is suggested.

This can be a theory, but I don't think it's anything more than that because I'm sure that there many, many exceptions. ^___^

Anyways. yes.... what I post earlier was really a generalization, because there are exceptions and a lot of factors to consider. so just a random question that popped into my weird mind, do you know a male anime fan who had wrote or draw a yaoi fanfiction or yaoi fan art?

Yaoi and Yuri may be different yet they shared one common general similarity, they are both about Homosexual relationships.

What about them?

I personally don't know anyone here in FF.Net. If there are, you can't really tell becase it's not like the genders of the users here are displayed in their profiles. But as far as manga-ka goes, I can think of Oh!Great as one of those male artists who have no qualms about putting in some shounen-ai in his works.

do you know a male anime fan who had wrote or draw a yaoi fanfiction or yaoi fan art?

It's not really a fan but, NARUTO'S MANGA-KA!!! XDDD He just recently did that. lol lol lol *is still in a fangirl state* Okay, that doesn't really answer the question since the drawing was in the official manga... otherwise, I can't really think up anyone I know that does BL fanworks. ^^;; Girls that do GL fanworks though, yes.

Maybe they just like the pairing and since it's a forbidden love, it sounds more thrilling,

don't you think so?

But, I don't read POT Yaoi fanfic, so i don't know how good they are^^'''

RYOSAKU-4ever-^^

I like Sakuno and I think she's the only shy girl character I like. But I don't like her with Ryoma because their relationship...it feels flat. Then again, I read some pretty bad RyoSaku fics to start with and found amazingly good FujiRyo fics so that warped my thinking. =P

People wrote yaois fic bec. they more prefer yaois over girl-boy pairing fiction OR maybe the author/fan/reader was annoyed to the girls(leading or extras) of an anime or should i say hated...but i think i should say annoyed *sweatdrops*-*sighs* or maybe sometimes their hearts were more touched by a fiction/anime/manga which is basically boy love or girl love or(last or..)they base their gender ex. they are gays or lesbians(no offense/wah) so they more prefer it...- I cant explain my answer because if i wrote it on tagalog words you cant understand it hehehe...Sorry for my nonsense answers but i just post what i felt or thought ^_^...please...i dont offend peoples there!

I've only started reading the manga recently, up to vol 36 already, and I believe that if Sakuno was more like she is in the manga she would be more well liked, but in saying so she is kinda one dimensional. There isn't much characterisation for her at all. All in all I really do believe that in the end it would most likely be her with Ryoma but there won't be much of a conclusion in that respect because technically this manga is aimed at guys.

Sorry for the rant. ^_^;

Yeah, fangirls can be sort of scary sometimes. Course, you get your crack pairings too; there was this one that stated in the summary, Horio and Marui; at that, I was like WTF?! so yeah.... that is scary.

I dislike the OC bias in PoT. I generally keep myself open to OC fics, just because you never know when you might come across a gem. For example, in the Inuyasha fandom, there's this one called "Blissful Lonliness" that doesn't have the most impressive summary, but is AMAZING and deep. "Himitsu" in our beloved PoT fandom has an OC that in the summary, looks like a Mary Sue ( spoiler, cross-dressing), but she isn't in the least. The main character is amazingly well-written and hilarious.

Oh, and about the angst factor; that's because shonen-ai/yaoi is "forbidden" and all, so you get characters fighting their feelings... oddly enough, one of most angsty characters I've seen so far is Fuji, usually with Tezuka.

I know a guy who likes shonen-ai (wait, I think he's bi though)..... so don't generalize like that.

Though it is true girls usually like guyXguy (not me though.... shivers.... traumatic... experience.... involving.....Inuyasha.... incest.... in.... third....grade.....)

oh I know a few guys who like yaoi, and they are gay, but they usually arn't as bad with bashing the characters at least from the few I know. The other thing I hate is when they arn't realistic cause it doesn't happen like that at all, I've had conversations with them and I know for a fact that they find it hilarious to read some of the yaoi lemons cause it doesn't work like the girl says it does making it ridiculous and they drag me to read it or read out loud *blushes* very embarrasing

This should be really awkward if I'm originally an OC writer and still am. I'm plonked in the middle; I'm not fond of RyoSaku (no, they never hooked up in the manga) and I prefer most of the boys straight. People write yaoi because if you look at the ratio of boys to girls... well, you get the idea. :)

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