Storyline - Essence of Advent Children Forum

Topic: Storyline

Here's a place to talk about the storyline. Did you like it, or did you think that Hironobu-san should've given FFVII a rest?

#1 Jan 25th 2006, 2:14pm

Hello? Any peeps out there? Am I alone in loving AC?

#2 Feb 08th 2006, 1:58pm

no, you're not alone lol. i thought the plot was good but it could have been better...ff7 seems to be the most popular story to rework lol. we have dirge of cerberus coming out and there's advent children and i heard there's another game on the way...and they did the ps3 tech demo of ff7...but i liked advent children even if it could have been better...the triplets could been more developed more character and story wise but it's only an hour and 40 minute movie so i suppose they did all they could. besides, reno and rude were awesome in the movie! lol.

#3 Feb 16th 2006, 1:47pm

Sky Meadows

was that last limit break supposed to be omni-slash? i think that sephiroth might've lost a bit too easily

#4 Feb 18th 2006, 1:17pm

Reno and Rude were HILARIOUS!!! (I loved Reno's mad climbing skills! XD)

I think it was a new limit break, actually. It didn't look a whole lot like omni-slash to me. I do agree, however, that the battle with Sephiroth could have been longer. I still loved watching Sephiroth fight, though, and believe the battle was well planned out. (Plus, hearing Sephy's voice was TOTALLY SPIFFIN'!!!!)

#5 Feb 18th 2006, 1:33pm

i think it was omni slash yeah...not that i've seen omni slash myself(i've never actually beaten ff7) lol. sephie's voice was so awesome! he and vincent sounded so smexy! lol. but yeah, sephie was beaten a bit too easily i think...poor kadaj though. he be a loser for blindly following his mommy lol.

#6 Feb 18th 2006, 6:20pm

Hey, hey! Omni-Slash looked completely different! It involved only one blade.

fire-emblem-girl, you've never beaten FFVII, yet you've seen Advent Children? Better than the friend who gave me the movie, though. She hadn'e even started the game. XD

#7 Feb 19th 2006, 3:01pm

Bleeding Heartgrenade

In the game Omnislash is a long series of powerful sword attacks. I think the way the sword split and divided into five swords in the movies was cooler.

#8 Feb 20th 2006, 3:18pm

tee hee sorry, i had to do the girly laugh. oh yes, i have yet to beat ff8 but i have seen the entire game. lol. i actually thought that when aeris died was close to the end of the game! my brother's like "no!idiot!" ha ha. but i'm just very slow at beating games. i had the game pheonix wright for awhile now and i only just beat it because i left it for about 2 months lol. but i knew everything that went on in ff7 even more than my friend who's beaten the game! ha ha. because i memorize everything i see about ff it's easy lol. well, truthfully i know alot more about vinnie than he does(and vincent's his fave! ha ha second rate fan he is!) but yeah, haven't beaten any ff game to date and i have seen advent children. i have only beaten i think...4 or 5 games and i've been a gamer for a good 5 or 6 years now.and most were games like pokemon and tom and jerry! he he.

#9 Feb 20th 2006, 6:08pm

heheh The five swords did look much cooler, didn't it? Although that might have something to do with the available graphics.

The only place in FFVII that I really got stuck for more thatn two weeks was when I first met the Materia Keeper. FFVII was my first RPG, and I didn't understand the concept of leveling up."

#10 Feb 24th 2006, 2:45pm

Sin the Dark Priestess

The storyline was good because it focused on many factors with the way of life and the characters in FF7. For instance, Cloud seeks redemption and what not, don't want to go into that now. and Kadaj and the children are a PERFECT example, as I saw this in a special feature when I got the DVD (In japanese of course, 2 discs including Last Order.) Correct me if I'm wrong, Children grow up in a world full of many challenges and as they grow, they develope certain things. (besides going through puberty. XP) Kadaj is an example of a struggle in a child's life, like a barrier or something. from childhood, to teenager then to adulthood. three big things to consider in life. And without a figure (Like a mother or father) to guide them while still in the child stage, then they turn into mischeavous little brats (Ex: Kadaj. XD) and it all goes downhill from there. (Ex: Sephiroth. XD) Like I said, I could be wrong. and... ugh! I'm trying to remember the rest of the interview but... Ah, it's lost from my mind. I'll watch it again so I can fully understand it but the point is, nearly all of the characters have done some growing up. Even Aeris, even though she's no longer with them, because in the game she was mischeavous and out-going but in the movie, she's all serious and stuff. Also in the movie, she serves as a spiritual guide to Cloud, encouraging him not to give up on everything and she forgave him but the question she asks him before he left to the Forgotten Capital (After Tifa's ranting.) is: why can't you forgive yourself? and the wolf, obviously symbolizes Zack. and all these little things show that Cloud is not alone. that he has friends with him and they'll always be with him, even in death. That is why in the end, he finally smiles and says he's not alone. One final thing... the movie also encourages the CloudxTifa relationship. Because in the game, he always woke up with Tifa near, and in the movie, he woke up with Tifa near again. and when the crew was helping him get to Bahamut Sin, it sorta paused when Tifa grabbed Cloud's hand and she stared at him. yesh, enough proof. Again, I could be wrong.

#11 Mar 01st 2006, 10:17am

Don't really have much to say. Loved the story, loved the fanservice, and Omnislash Version 5.0 owns all.

#12 Mar 07th 2006, 4:32pm

heheheh I'd call game-Aerith eccentric! But yeah, she mellowed out....but y'know, her eccentricities still show in the movie. How many normal people would randomly yell "Question!" in the middle of a fairly serious conversation?

Reno was also a character who changed, right? It seemed to me in the game that he was kinda cold, but in the movie, he was kind and funny. Just my opinion?

#13 Mar 08th 2006, 2:19pm

Bleeding Heartgrenade

I liked Reno in the movie too. I also thought that Rude seemed nicer as well. He didn't say anything in the game.

#14 Mar 11th 2006, 11:16am

Cra-zy-ness-x

Advent Children was a very good movie. I liked Reno's character in the movie and the animations were great.

I know there are two movies from FF, and one is AC, but what was the other FF movie?

#15 Apr 16th 2006, 3:15pm

i liked reno alot in the movie as well ;p the other movie is called final fantasy the spirits within. and despite what all the people say, i LIKED it. the animation was top notch and i didn't mind the story. ha ha, the guy that did hades' voice in hercules does a voice in SW lol. if not him someone who sounds EXACTLY like him.

#16 Apr 17th 2006, 3:34pm

Cra-zy-ness-x

Ah...

#17 Apr 18th 2006, 3:39pm

wildfire-sky05

The other FF movie is Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within...which, by the way, is another good one. Not as good as Advent Children, in my opinion, but still quite good. Same animation, character development, and excellent storyline. I suggest you watch it! In regards to AC, I was pleasently surprised with Kadaji...being an Nintendo and Xbox fan, I've never played FF, but I got the gist of what was going on. They need to make a series or something for FF:AC. Maybe they will with the responce from the movie...maybe they won't. Who knows?

Anyways, when Kadaji dies, I was impressed because he had the "lost child" aspect. Sure he was evil, but at the end he recanted and was willing to pass on peacefully, unlike Sephorios who swore vengence. Interesting considering that he used Kadaji's body to earn his revenge. Kadaji simply wanted his mother...like any other child would. Seph wanted to destroy the world. He used Kadaji and he paid the ultimate price for it. It was depressing b/c Kadaji actually started crying b4 disipating into the green glowy thingies...........lifestream or whatever.

But like I said, enjoyable from beginning to end!

#18 May 01st 2006, 6:46pm

Sakura123

If anything, "Advent Children" failed in terms of storyline. It was basically so prediciable, muddled in needlessly with dailouge that made no sense, and so action sequel esque-like that the storyline didn't really merit as something completely good or memorable. "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" basically had a better storyline compared to Advent Children. A little complex to understand the first time around though. It too also suffered from its own set of flaws and plot holes. It would've been nice to find out why Aki and Grey weren't exactly on friendly terms anymore in the beginning of the film! And the Phantoms plotline, while good, could've been explained a little more fluently. All in all, niether storlyine if perfect but "Spirits" defaintly wins in terms of the subject.

FFVII:AC Storyline - 3/5

FF:TSW Storlyine - 4/5

#19 May 11th 2006, 5:43pm

Umm...Could you give me an example of just what was so hard/misunderstandable about the story/dialog? I can probably explain it...

#20 May 11th 2006, 7:03pm

wildfire-sky05

Yea dude...I've never even played the video game and I got what was going on. Albiet, I had to do a little bit of research on the characters (but that's granted considering I've never heard of them until now), but besides that I got everything that was going on. Ugh...it's like watching those stupid videos in school. People always turn around and ask you: "what's going on?" Well, if you paid attention, like I am, you'd probably get it too. I'm not raggin' on you, because I was genuinely lost too...but if you go to one of the fan sites, I think you might better understand the story and plotline and will be able to fully appreciate it.

#21 May 14th 2006, 9:09am

I can see where, if you had not layed the game, you might get confused. The first time I watched AC, it was with someone who had never heard any of the storyline, and I had to explain a few things to her, but she still loved the movie. The only thing that had me confused about the movie was the wolf (which I've heard was a representation of Zack, but whether it was from a reliable source or not...^^;)

#22 May 14th 2006, 4:48pm

The wolf was a representation of Cloud's guilt at being unable to protect the people he cares about. It appears at the Forgotten City (Aerith), the cliff outside Midgar (Zack), and when he finds Tifa injured at the Church and Marlene missing. It disappears at the end because he's let go of his guilt.

Nomura confirmed it in the AC prologue book. You can find the translations of the interview/prologue book at: http://xthost.info/ffwebnovel/

It also has the novellas, and information on the FFVII: Compilation.

#23 May 14th 2006, 8:26pm

EternalBlizzardOfSwords66

Aha! It all makes sense!!!!!! Arigatou,VinCon01, that really helped with my understanding of the movie.^_^ I'm glad. Now Cloud-sama can be happy! YAY!

Everything else pretty much made sense to me.

#24 May 15th 2006, 2:12pm

LurkingShadowQueen

I absolutely loved the movie. I haven't gotten very far at all in the game, and the only reason I have gotten into FF7 is because of my friend who also got me into this website (weird...)I've only gotten to just after all that Golden Saucer stuff and am trying to get to Nibelheim to get Vincent. I absolutely love Vincent because of my friend and his obsesion with him...

My personal favorite in the movie was Kadaj. He was like a lost little puppy dog that I just wanted to help. I almost cried when he died...weird I know, but I dunno, I really liked him. And Rufus...isn't he a bad guy in the game? but I really liked him in the movie. And Reno was helarious.

I saw the movie long before I got to play the game, and I think that it was good for me to watch the movie because I understand that Aeris died and it's better for me to know that before hand so it's not that much of a shock and I don't die when it happens...I dunno

#25 May 27th 2006, 1:35pm

Things could have been a whole lot different if Sephiroth won. I mean, Sephiroth is god. He should have Pwn3d Cloud all three times cloud killed Sephiroth.

the fight should have been longer, but then they would have to make 'One Winged Angel' a LOOOONG SONG. Not that I don't mind. He just came in late, and that sucked.

I couldn't stand the three twins, especially Loz. He was just...........BWUAAA!!!!!!!

Sephiroth is the best villan Ever. Far better then Star wars Darth Vader (I know this isn't a star wars forum, but I had to say it, because Sephiroth is THAT good)

#26 Jun 08th 2006, 10:57am

Cloud only killed him twice.

Once at the end, once in AC.

Either way, I don't think Sephiroth is a great villain. He's probably one of the best in FF when it comes to development, but still not the best. In terms of raw power, he's also outclassed by at least two of the other FF villains. He definitely has more intimidation factor than most of the others though.

#27 Jul 18th 2006, 5:51pm

SapphireXSerpent

Sephiroth has been voted Best Villian many times, Either that, or he's come in second.

I mean, he beats the heck out of Kuja or Kefka. A crossdresser and a clown. Wow.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I grinned the whole I got it, and when I watched it, and I was so happy!

The storyline was interesting. At first glance, it seems...well, plain and boring. If you delve deeper, you actually see what really is going on.

There's one thing that bothers me...the movie seems, well, a bit...yaoi-y. I mean, think about it. Yes, and on the bakc of the U.S. DVD case of AC, it has a big pic of Cloud carrying Kadaj bridal style that totally freaked me and by brothers out. There are other...hints...throughout the movie too...It is very strange.

#28 Jul 26th 2006, 10:31am

*sighs wistfully* but that's the best part...you gotta remember though, here(u.s and canada, w/e.) that'd be considered weird but in japan they probably wouldn't think anything of it, cloud's just helping out kadaj. of course i'd rather see it as yaoi-y but that's the truth.there are hints?! WHERE?! SHOW ME!! ^^ i honestly didn't see too many other than the ending parts with kadaj and cloud on the rooftop. U.U

cloud and zack=yaoi lol. *sighs* last order...

#29 Jul 26th 2006, 10:36am

Sephiroth has been voted Best Villian many times, Either that, or he's come in second.

And popularity has nothing to do with power.

I mean, he beats the heck out of Kuja or Kefka. A crossdresser and a clown. Wow.

Yes, because being an emo momma's boy is so much better (See, I can insult them with vast exaggerations of what they are while leaving out anything impressive they've done just like you).

And Kuja's feats are a little more impressive. Glassing an entire planet is a little better than attempting to use a summon to damage one, and failing to do so.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I grinned the whole I got it, and when I watched it, and I was so happy!

The storyline was interesting. At first glance, it seems...well, plain and boring. If you delve deeper, you actually see what really is going on.

Many people can't seem to understand that just because two guys are close, doesn't mean they're about to get it on...Especially when they've been calling each other "brother" for the last hour and a half.

Cloud carrying a dying Kadaj doesn't mean he's planning to do the deed with his dead corpse (Not that Kadaj can actually have a corpse, but...).

#30 Jul 26th 2006, 11:33am

LurkingShadowQueen

0_0 wow I never even thought about it like that. hehe that's probably because I don't have a twisted mind or anything like that *sweat drop* either that or because I'm from little 'ol Delaware in the US hehe

#31 Jul 29th 2006, 4:14pm

animefreak249

I just need to get these things out of my system. If someone has already answered them...yeah...my bad then...

With the five sword thing, for those wondering if it's an Omnislash, that's actually six. It's called "Omnislash version 5". Omnislash involves a fifteen strike combo while Omnislash version 5 is a six strike combo.

Sephiroth...I heard is technically a "demi-god". If he was a god, then he'd be able to control every aspect of life. However, a demi-god still has considerable strength...if that's the case.

And, yes, Sephiroth is probably the best villain (he's quite the badass). He did win in either the second or third GameFAQs character battle.

It's quite strange. I'm pretty sure that most of you know this...It's quite funny how Sephiroth lost to Cloud three times. First time being in Niebelheim five years prior to Final Fantasy VII, the second being at the end of Final Fantasy VII, and the third being in Advent Children.

With The Spirits Within, I'll agree to somewhere...wherever I saw it...that when I first saw The Spirits Within...I was impressed, especially how amazing it looked (let alone that I didn't really pay any attention to the storyline much). However, after paying a little more attention, their faces seem to have that...plastic feel to it...and the storyline did seem confusing. It was the same when I first watched Advent Children. At our Anime Club, we were watching Advent Children, an imported version. Now, at that point, I haven't played the game yet. And after watching that movie, I began to have a stronger interest in the Final Fantasy series. I did start with Final Fantasy VIII first, then I kinda went into Final Fantasy VII (which really doesn't matter since they're all different). I'd better stop rambling.

#32 Oct 13th 2006, 2:03pm . Edited Oct 13th 2006, 2:07pm

Ahh, but that's the thing. He never actually outright loses those fights. He always dominates physically and magically, but gets too cocky for his own good.

1) The Nibelheim Incident:

- Sephiroth was just stabbed from behind with the Buster Sword, and was loosely holding Cloud. However, Cloud, while impaled, then pulled himself further onto the sword, and threw Seph into a wall hard enough to dent it. In this, I'd say they're about even. However, Seph was in his weakest known form at this point, and Cloud has already been shown as a freak of nature (He has another insane burst of strength in BC, which he later claims he can't remember).

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2) The Final Battle (NC):

- Cloud has the entire team, and Sephiroth is both holding back Holy and summoning Meteor, so I'd say the odds were against him.

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3) The Final Final Battle (LS):

- It was a duel between their spirits/consciousnesses in the Lifestream. Even then, Sephiroth put the smackdown on Cloud. However, as depicted in "Maiden Who Travels the Planet", he gets arrogant, and Cloud uses the opening to use Zack's Omnislash.

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4) The Final Final Final Battle (AKA: Sephiroth's Second Advent):

- Sephiroth outclasses Cloud completely. He's constantly smiling, laughing, and taunting Cloud throughout the entire match without showing a single sign of exertion, while Cloud is breathing hard, stopping, and generally just showing signs of fatigue (And the "He was just fighting a lot" excuse doesn't work, seeing as Aerith's "Great Gospel" healed him completely in the church).

Later in the fight, Sephiroth even starts tossing him around like he was nothing. Then, instead of stabbing the unarmed and dazed Cloud in the head or a vital organ, he stabs him in the shoulder and starts to mock him. Then, Cloud uses an attack he's never seen before (As implied when Sephiroth looks around at the swords in confusion) which invovled several swords hovering around Sephiroth's head (Which he was looking at when Cloud began his attack), and then moving fast enough to leave an after image of every one of the six attacks.

#33 Oct 13th 2006, 2:34pm

animefreak249

And, yes, Sephiroth is probably the best villain (he's quite the badass). He did win in either the second or third GameFAQs character battle.

Okay...please forget what I said about that. I went into deeper research, and I guess I got my information wrong. Eh, it's not like I've been following that character battle since 2002...(hey, I just got into that about a year or two ago...)

And for what VinCon01 said...yeah, I forgot there's technically four...Still, that really does help clear a few more gaps here and there after having to cram my brain with other things as well...so, yeah, thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind.

#34 Oct 16th 2006, 7:25pm

1.) Advent Children is by far the greatest movie ever!!!!!!

2.) Sephiroth is at lest one of the greatest villans ever!!

3.) I love Yazoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very angry at Reno for kicking Yazoo down on the ground from up in the air! It made him land on his butt on the concrete and slide back for a long distance and it hurt him so much! The most horrible and painful hit in the entire movie!!!!!! T_T

#35 May 04th 2007, 9:42pm

Is it just me, or am I the only one who thinks that the storyline is thin?

Believe me, I love the movie, but the scenes mainly had to do with action, not dialogue...

~Fran

#36 May 05th 2007, 3:28pm

Well, maybe they will add more dialogue and drama in Advent Children Complete for Bluray.

#37 May 10th 2007, 4:12pm

Hopefully they do better on the Bluray AC...

I mean, more story and (slightly) less action.

~Fran

#38 May 12th 2007, 11:53am

I guess I really AM the biggest and most obsessive AC freak in the world. Everyone tells me I am unhealthily obsessed and that I need to get a life.

#39 May 12th 2007, 9:21pm

I guess I really AM the biggest and most obsessive AC freak in the world. Everyone tells me I am unhealthily obsessed and that I need to get a life.

If you like it that much, you like it that much! No one will change that! I mean, everyone has a little obsession or two!

~Fran

#40 May 13th 2007, 9:15am

^.^ Thankies! I feel much better now! Yay! Yazooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

#41 May 21st 2007, 9:49pm

I feel much better now!

Glad I made you feel that way! :)

CLOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD-KUN!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! *explodes*

~Fran

#42 May 22nd 2007, 4:16pm

I wish none of the characters had died and instead learned to love each other and live together as brothers!

#43 May 22nd 2007, 9:42pm

But then that wouldn't make much of a game/movie! :)

~Fran

#44 May 23rd 2007, 6:52pm

. . . . (gasps) They should make a game sequel to it other than DoC where you get to play as Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo and are regenerated with Aerith! You get to go on a quest to find Big Brother (Cloud) and . . .?

#45 May 23rd 2007, 10:21pm

You get to go on a quest to find Big Brother (Cloud) and . . .?

...Also find Mamma Vincent? :)

~Fran

#46 May 24th 2007, 4:11pm

. . . . . Mama . . . Vincent . . . ?

Yazoo needs some cuddles and huggies. And a blankey.

#47 May 24th 2007, 10:49pm

. . . . . Mama . . . Vincent . . . ?

I felt random at that moment in time. ^^; Sorry if I freaked you out.

~Fran

#48 May 25th 2007, 4:11pm

Well, I do not find him very maternal. Fran is almost naked.

#49 May 25th 2007, 9:05pm