Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children is my favorite thing on Earth! ^-^ And so is Yazoo! ^.^

I completely DESPISE Fran. Ever since she came out...*shudders*

I AM SO SORRY! IT NEVER CROSSED MY MIND THAT IT WAS REALLY YOUR NAME!!!!! (sobs) Please forgive me!!!!!!!

No prob! I don't mind using my real name in a forum, which tends to make some people distrust me for some reason... Anyways, don't you worry, okay? :)

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children is my favorite thing on Earth! ^-^ And so is Yazoo! ^.^

HELL YEAH!! *waves Advent Children flag*

~Fran

I was hoping for something more like their fight in KH. I loved the story, not as much as the original FFVII, but it was still pretty good. I was a bit annoyed when Marlene asked "Is it her?" That line was kinda

pointless. And i was a little peeved about some of the characters lack of screen time. 8/10

As for the other characters' lack of screen time...It's understandable. This wasn't just supposed to be fan service, it was supposed to be Cloud's story. A little tale to give him some closure. The same applies to Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core. They're just supposed to expand on Vincent and Zack, with some minor involvement from the characters that aren't really needed.

Could'nt they have come up with something better. "She lends strength" would've been better, not good but better. It was still a good movie though.

was Chaos, or Galian beast. The only thing Vincent transformed into all movie long was that red swirly thing

that saved Cloud. Speaking of which, how did he go from being no match for the brothers to being able to wipe

the floor with them so quickly. I know he got stronger when he forgave himself but still! And how the hell

was he able to match Bahamut blow for blow by himself when the rest of the group combined was struggling just

to keep up. It was cool and all that. I just think he should have had more trouble than he did with those fights.

1) That's basically it. He finally got off his ** and started working. He wasn't just having guilt issues, he had literally more or less given up on life. He and several of the orphans he watched over (Including his seemingly adopted son) were infected with a crippling disease with no cure, which made him relapse regarding the fact that he'd really never been able to protect anyone. It's a cliche that we've seen a dozen times in one form or another. It's basically what happens every time the hero of the film seems down and out, but gets that little burst of the "will to fight on" before taking down the villain, just on a larger scale (He has it throughout most of the film, rather than just when the villain has him down and out).

2) Actually, he didn't do much more to Bahamut than the rest of the party. Besides Braver and Climhazzard, Bahamut basically shakes off Cloud's attacks like he did the rest of Crisis Avalanche (My name for the VII party). And he wasn't the only one to knock it down either. Barret knocked it down (Though at the angle it was at, it looked like Red XIII), Yuffie knocked it off course, and Cid hit its head hard enough to knock its blast away. The only time he did any real severe damage to Bahamut was when he killed it at the end, and he couldn't have done that without the others. Other than that, he was basically just a slightly bigger fly than the rest of them. Not to mention that the rest of the team had been pounding the thing for nearly two hours (The Reunion Files state that the entire fight took two hours, so the team was probably fighting it for about an hour and a half).

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3) As for Vincent transforming, I agree in part and disagree in another. It would have been cool to see, but it might not have been a good plan in terms of storyline. First off, Vincent seems to have issues controlling Chaos, and setting a nuke off to kill a fly probably isn't a good plan. Second, Chaos would dominate Bahamut Sin. Bahamut Sin is a creature created through an offshoot of Lifestream that flowed to the surface, and condensed/crystallized. Chaos was specifically designed by the planet as a last resort to save itself, and is basically a WEAPON, even though it's never directly referred to as such (It shares all of the characteristics. It simply hasn't been called on).

As for Galian...I can't see any reason not to transform into Galian. Maybe he's not as fast, or not as agile/mobile. Or maybe it was just too difficult to render (That's why Cait's mog...moogle...thing wasn't in the film, and Red had such limited screen time).

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during their last battle. But with Cid, he did'nt actually knock Bahamut's blast away. When he hit its head it tried to counter the sudden pressure by raising its head just as it fired. So it was'nt really a matter of Cid's strength so much as his timing.

2) Well, you have to really look at the circumstances. First off, there's the "arena" (So to speak). The Forgotten City has a lot of trees (Glowing white trees), and it's a just a lot less roomy. Loz and Yazoo had a lot of room to maneuver around,and a lot of cover to do it in. The highway, on the other hand, is a lot less complex.

Then there's the fact that Cloud was fighting them on motorcycles in the tunnel, whereas he was fighting them on foot in the Forgotten City, which can be a big difference. When they're on the motorcycles, Loz and Yazoo have much less at their disposal.

- They can't be as agile. When you're on foot, you can dodge, roll, and jump in various ways. When you're on a motorcycle, you don't have all of those options. Even when you're like these three, it would be basically impossible to jump backwards, flip around, then jump forward to get behind your opponent again while your partner distracts him because they would be pretty far down the road by that point.

- They have fewer attack options. When they're on the ground, Yazoo can be consantly firing, leaping around, and coming in close to use several melee techniques using both of the Velvet Nightmares (His, and the one he takes from Loz). When he's on a motorcycle, he's very restricted because he can generally only use one hand (Meaning only one weapon, rather than the two he had in the FC), and even then it would be harder to shoot (It's pretty easy to hit a stationary target. It's somewhat difficult to hit a moving target. It's somewhat difficult to hit a stationary target while moving. It's very difficult to hit a target moving at high speeds while moving at high speeds yourself). Loz is in a similar situation. He's a martial artist, and as such he relies mostly on punching, kicking, etc. However, unless he's doing that little speed thing (Where he moves fast enough to basically be a blue blur), he really can't do much besides hit Cloud with one hand, and he doesn't have enough time to do very much when he's in the air.

- They lose some of their previous coordination. In the FC, Loz could attack Cloud head on, then jump up only for Loz to be right behind him with a combination of shooting and melee attacks at nearly point blank, only for Cloud to turn around and be face to fist with Loz again. On a motorcycle, they can't do that. There's too much space between the Loz and Cloud for him to be in Cloud's face (The back of Loz's motorcycle and the front of Cloud's makes it too difficult), and Cloud would definitely notice Yazoo right behind Loz if they're on motorcycles.

So the thing is, with or without his mental and physical handicaps (Severe depression and Geostigma), Cloud has advantages on the Fenrir that the brothers don't have on the motorcycles. Cloud is used to fighting alone, whereas the brothers are used to double teaming others at the same time and in quick succession, which is harder with the circumstances on the highway. Cloud has actually shown that he's pretty capable of maneuvering the Fenrir without his hands (Meaning that he can use both hands to attack), and his weapons are long enough to still allow him to attack even at a larger distance, whereas the both the brothers' fighting styles and weapons are designed more for close range combat when Yazoo is using melee, and firing at Cloud from a distance is basically useless.

handle Cloud on their own, why not pull in some more shadow creepers. They seemed to keep up with motorcycles pretty well the first time.

2) No idea on the Shadow Creepers. Seeing as they're composed of Negative Lifestream, KYLE (Kadaj, Yazoo, Loz) may simply have limited access to them. Not to mention that neither Yazoo or Loz appeared to have summoned them during the opening, whereas Kadaj was seen calling them off. And whenever they've been summoned, we see the brothers do a hand movement of some kind (Generally just something like raising their arms, or spreading out their palms). It's possible that it requires some focus, which they wouldn't be able to do while in a high speed chase/fight.

I would think that getting slashed several times would leave some kind of mark. What do you think?

First off, it should be noted that by Advent Children, there's basically nothing left of Sephiroth's original body. The Sephiroth we see in Advent Children is literally composed of nothing but Jenova and a little bit of Mako (From Kadaj). IIRC, Nomura even said that he was completely composed of Jenova, and had "lost all human weakness", but I'd have to look up the quote (Which is becoming a little difficult, seeing as they're starting to release a lot of guides, interviews, etc, that have this type of thing). This much is a fact.

Now, I figure that's about why he doesn't show any real signs of injury. His human body is basically gone, and little things like that went with it. It's possible that Jenova simply doesn't function the same way that humans do. She may not even "bleed" like a human does. That would explain the lack of blood. Mako seems to work in a similar manner, seeing as Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz have the same "problem" (None of them show any physical injuries. And while Yazoo didn't really get in too many fights, Loz took a heavy beating from Tifa without showing it, and Kadaj was a "host body" of sorts when Sephiroth got Omnislash'd). Not only that, but Jenova has displayed the ability to rapidly regenerate/reproduce her cells (After all, Seph made her rip off limbs to fight the party, and they mutated into monsters), and seeing as Seph basically is the new Jenova (He has complete control over the Jenova Cells in his body), he can probably do so as well, which would help explain why he didn't appear injured (Even if he could). Of course, that isn't to say that they can't be injured. I'd say it's kind of like Dante and Vergil on Devil May Cry. They can obviously be hurt, but the wounds just aren't physically visible.

So in the end, I'd say that at this point, Sephiroth (And the Remnants) literally might not even have blood or any other characteristics of a human body besides physical appearance, and as such wouldn't show cuts, bruises, or other injuries that a normal human would.

could see it. He just was'nt injured. These two characters may exist in completely different universes, but the same general rules apply. If you get slashed and you make your cells reproduce, you are no longer injured. I do agree with the part about his lacking a human body though.

I think it's more likely that he was running on limited energy. Kadaj for instance seemed to grow tired when fighting Cloud. So it would make sense that if Sephiroth were acting through Kadaj that he would be held back somewhat by Kadaj's own weaknesses, like the ability to tire out. So maybe Sephiroth

simply lost to much energy to maintain control of Kadaj as a result of Cloud's final attack. What do you think?

- Wolverine (Movies). He's capable of regenerating from most wounds in a matter of seconds, and in the later films even capable of healing from extremely deadly wounds in a matter of seconds.

- Dante/Vergil (Devil May Cry). They regenerate from wounds instantly. They heal so quickly that we don't even see the wound appear. All we see is the blood from the wound.

- Slade Wilson (Comics). IIRC, he has an advanced healing factor, but he (Like the older comic Wolverine) takes anywhere from days to weeks to heal depending on how severe the wound is (What would normally kill someone might take days to weeks, while smaller wounds are basically done in hours and moderate wounds in days).

All three of them have the same ability (Healing/Regeneration), but all three are in different stories/universes, and all three versions of that ability work differently. Cell would be a good example, but the problem is that he isn't from Final Fantasy VII, meaning that the limits (Or lack of limits) on his powers can't be applied to a different character from a different story. And even then, look at Piccolo. Cell's regenerative abilities were based primarily on Piccolo's regenerative abilities, yet Cell's are far more advanced.

2) Now on to an explanation of why it might not heal him. Obviously, the ability to regenerate the cells doesn't heal him because then neither he or Jenova would have been killed, yet the party was clearly capable of doing so. It's like I mentioned before (Though I didn't really explain it very well), Sephiroth and Jenova would be much like Dante from DMC, or even Kadaj. Neither of them have any visible injuries, and Dante's lack of visible injuries are due to healing (Which is similar to Sephiroth and Jenova's cell regeneration). However, as shown in DMC3, Dante can be killed if he takes enough damage, even if the wounds aren't visible. I'd say the same goes for Sephiroth. He doesn't appear to be injured visibly because the cells regnerate so fast, but his body simply gets too worn out to continue once enough damage is taken. The only real difference between him and Dante in this category is how much damage they can take before they can't handle anything else.

Or you could attack over and over again without giving your enemy time to recover. The problem with this is simple, Cloud did not hit Sephiroth enough times

for such a strategy to work.

Now here i present another question regarding Sephiroth which has been bugging me lately. In the game it took the whole group to defeat him, so how did Cloud

take him down by himself in the movie.

Also, i have no nothing about Dante or Vergil other than their names, or DMC for that matter.

2) Two points to make here:

- First off, it should be noted that we don't actually know much about the how the battle against Sephiroth in FFVII actually went. We only know a few details. From the flashback in AC, we can tell that the party had no visible materia, and that they were all using their basic/default equipment (Buster Sword, Spear, Leather Gloves, etc.), save for Vincent, who was using the Cerberus. We also know that they somehow managed to get around Sephiroth's seemingly telekinetic abilities (They were struggling with it at first, but both the game and AC flashback depict them making a "charge" of sorts towards Sephiroth). Then there's the fact that after the battle, none of them were showing signs of injury or exhaustion. Add to this the fact that Sephiroth was dealing with them while simultaneously summoning one of the most powerful magic spells in the universe (Meteor) while holding the other back (Holy), the party may not have even had a more difficult time with him than they did with Bahamut Sin. Not due to weakness on his part specifically, but because he may have simply been spreading himself too thin.

- Now that I've got that out of my system, here's the answer to your question: Arrogance. Sephiroth clearly outmatches Cloud in physical, magical, and mental capabilities. It's even been confirmed in interviews that his will is the most powerful in FFVII, and that nobody is more powerful than him (Though the statement does leave the loophole that someone can match him). However, when facing Cloud one-on-one, Sephiroth's ego prevents him from using his full power. He always attacks Cloud with the intent to humiliate him, and make him suffer. And while Cloud can't match Sephiroth on a physical or magical scale, he can use that to his advantage. For example, Sephiroth was smacking him around, tossed him against a wall where Cloud dropped his weapon, spread his limbs out, and closed his eyes for several seconds. Yet instead of finishing him off easily by stabbing him in the heart or head or any number of vital organs, Sephiroth chose to stab him in the shoulder and mock his inability to stop him. In all reality, if Sephiroth hadn't basically been playing around, he would have ripped Cloud apart with ease.

Not to mention the circumstances regarding the actual attack that Cloud used. Watch closely and you'll notice that after Cloud separates the blades, Sephiroth looks up at the swords surrounding him, and is still looking at them when Cloud starts his attack. And the Omnislash techniques, based on statements and the attacks themselves, are only capable of being stopped at the first slash. Afterwards, it's basically unstoppable (Seeing as the opponent can't really counter when they've more or less been cleaved in half by the Buster Sword or First Tsurugi/Fusion Swords). Not only is it borderline unstoppable, but Cloud was moving so fast that he blurred and left after-images of himself.

...Yeah, so basically the only reason he beat Sephiroth is because Seph suffers from AIS (Arrogance Induced Stupidity). Much like Anakin in Star Wars. Or a large number of James Bond villains.

3) Heh. Just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about with Dante and Vergil from DMC (In terms of their healing abilities): Dante starts DMC3 off by getting attacked in his office. He basically stands there while the demons that attack him put about half a dozen scythe blades in him, all of which break off while in him. He has a couple in his torso, and one in his leg and arm. He then proceeds to walk over to his jukebox, mess with it, and after it stops working he just punches it until it finally starts up. He then proceeds to kill a large portion of the demons with various weapons, including the blades stuck in his arm and leg, and a few things that he happens to have laying around. He tends to take that kind of damage quite often throughout the story, with Vergil giving him the one of the worst beatings fairly early in the game. I would describe it, but I don't want to spoil anything major.

Anyway, sorry about the length of the posts. I tend to rant a lot when I get into this type of thing.

i doubt he'd have to use a lot of energy to do it. As far as his ego goes i must agree that he was acting pretty stupid. The guy has killed him twice and he thinks messing around while locked in a vicious battle with him is smart? Also, how come his wing did'nt come out until after Cloud put the hurt on him.

More importantly, what advantages, if any, does the wing even give him?

2) Holy is the most powerful spell in existence besides Meteor. It's hardly unbelievable that he would be expending a large amount of energy to hold it back.

3) Yeah, pretty much. Sephiroth has a bad habit of not taking Cloud seriously, mostly due to the Nibelheim Incident. Cloud hurt his pride, so he can't just outright kill him.

4) Not a clue about the wing. I guess he just realizes that it looks cool.

Genesis is evil due to things happening in the trailers, and his wing, like Sephiroth's is black. Angeal, who we can assume is a good person has a white wing.

with his wing out. I also went on Wiki and it said that in Doc Genesis had come back not to attack the planet, but to protect it. I have no idea how this works, but i guess we'll find out eventually.

On the subject of Genesis

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Genesis, at the end of CC, regains what they call his "pride as a SOLDIER." Essentially, he wants to protect the planet. After the events of CC (This is explained in the Ultimania and not shown in the game, IIRC), Weiss and Nero ask Genesis to aid them in their rebellion against Shinra and the Restrictors, but Genesis declines and seals himself away until the planet needs protection. I have no idea why he didn't break out during FFVII, AC, or DoC though...Especially AC/DoC. I mean, FFVII has the excuse of being made before Genesis was even thought up, but the others...

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Loveless about a big battle between good and evil and stuff. So heres what i think, in the next installment of the FFvii series something bigger than whats happened so far is going to pop up. Like Sephiroth taking people seriously for example, the day he does that everyone else dies.

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